Posted on 09/04/2010 12:52:43 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
“If your superior officer ordered you to report to him in his office would you refuse to do so on the grounds that Obama may not be a legitimate president? Or if one of the enlisted people under you refused to obey your order on the grounds that the entire chain of command is invalid would you accept their refusal as an appropriate response?”
I’m going to obey orders of superiors...that is just who I am. If a person subordinate to me were to refuse an order based upon the validity of the chain of command...that would be for persons other (and higher) than myself to determine the outcome. If the soldier that refused did so out of conscience and not evasion...I would be sympathetic towards them...but agains it would not be my call.
Obviously, you are missing the point. IF the top of the chain is invalid, then the entire structure is tainted. Even if what I order is “legal”, is my authority to issue orders tainted?
When I, after a break in service of over ten years, applied for reappointment to commissioned status in the Army Reserve, it was approved in 2007. The orders I received to put me back in a commissioned status read (in part) as follows:
SUBJECT: Appointement as a Reserve Commissioned Officer of the Army Under Title 10, USC 12201 and 12203
1. The Secretary of the Army has directed that you be informed that by direction of the President, you are appointed a Reserve commissioned officer of the Army, effective on your acceptance, in the grade and with the social security number shown in the address above. Your branch and component are shown after A above.
2. The appointment is for an indefinite term.
More followed. Notice the Secretary of the Army acted “by direction” (meaning under the authority) of the President, which was then George W. Bush. My “commission” derives its validity in the POTUS. Subsequent promotions under the current POTUS have similiar wording to indicate that my rank ultimately derives its authority from the POTUS.
IF the POTUS is invalid, it seems logical, that my status is in jepordy.
Please forgive me if I’m mistaken, but I thought that Mark Levin was one of the only ones who had NOT bashed the Birthers?
I have sometimes wondered if some of the people you’ve listed, or perhaps some of the billionaire stars at FOX News actually HAVE seen his real BC, and they won’t say anything because they agree that it would be an intense embarrassment.
Although WHAT could possibly be that embarrassing is beyond me.....
“Imagine the chaos if every service member had standing to challenge the legality of every order issued by every senior in his chain of command..........Be glad our Framers gave us a political solution to our concerns.”
I have imagined the chaos, and it is of deep concern to me. Personnally, I considered LTC Lakin to be acting on behalf of all members of the service. However, the military system is failing to resolve an issue and the “congress” refuses to do anything....even those of the GOP. The “political solution” isn’t working. LTC Lakin and others just want the POTUS to fully prove his eligibility as any service member must. I can’t tell you the sheer number of times I have been required to provide a full BC (not that redacted Hawaiian stuff) college records, financial records, etc. just to serve and to receive security clearance.
Any reason to believe that folks who get worked up about this wouldn't just move on to their next conspiracy theory?
Why should BHO lift a finger to appease one of the few things he's got going for him right now?
Don’t be too easily lured by the “do something” concept. It is not a problem a military outside of central america should get involved with.
Hussein will be CIC until he isn’t. No judge can relieve him of his duties.
I am well aware of the hassles regarding security clearances.
Correct. It's not being a 'birther.' It's being a stalwart defender of actual, Consitutional law of the Republic of the United States of America. It is the presupposition of the 'given' that not one politician has asserted as false. Instead, we have argued over the misleading points that were so artfully put forth by opposing forces. We take the com NOW. Location of birth was irrelevant. Parentage is something else again, and is admitted by his own words, or those 0bama claims to have written.
So why should Lakin be any different?
IF the POTUS is invalid, it seems logical, that my status is in jepordy
If you honestly believe that then how can you see any other honorable course for yourself but to resign?
Since we haven't seen a real COLB for Obama, that would be a lot of guesswork.
“Any reason to believe that folks who get worked up about this wouldn't just move on to their next conspiracy theory?”
If Obama had told the truth earlier, and applied for naturalization it is not inconceivable that the constitution could have been amended to allow naturalized citizens to be eligible. There was that much goodwill towards black Americans after all they have been through the last two centuries.
The problem is a lie only generates more lies until the whole thing is a nightmare.
There is no way out now for Obama, because he has dug himself in so deep.
The arrogance of the US Political class is amazing, they actually thought that the US public would not notice the lies or care about the truth.
The Refudiation is coming on Nov. 2nd, nothing less than savage 1994 defeat in the north and 1894 style annihilation south of the Mason-Dixon line, less the CBC islands.
You all are all missing the point: BHO is a Democrat, therefore there are no laws that apply to him.
Being set up with no chance to explain your side of the case...and having to storm out to make a lame attempt at overcoming the set up??
You mean that scene?
Well, we shall see.
Good luck getting anywhere with that.
As he can in any court, and Lakin is free to produce anything he wants. But he is not free to go on a fishing expedition and subpoena anything and everything when it isn't relevant to the charges he's facing. And two senior JAG officers have both concluded that Obama's information is irrelevant to the offenses Lakin is charges with.
I wouldn't make it if I didn't.
"Barack Hussein Obama was at no time in his life a legal citizen of the United States."
Since he was born in Honolulu this is an obviously false statement.
"Correct. It's not being a 'birther.' It's being a stalwart defender of actual, Consitutional law of the Republic of the United States of America."
Absolutely wrong. The constitutional defenders around here are the ones you birthers routinely attack and insult as "obots", etc.
Birthers want to rewrite or ignore the constitution in order to get their way. In most minds, that's not considered "defending".
You are mistaken if you think anything other than impeachment or 2012 will remove Hussein.
Wow! OK, thanks for your reply.
If you consider that that document is accepted as legal proof in any arena where such proof is required, getting a driver’s license, a passport, whatever; there’s nothing remotely remarkable about my statement. What’s remarkable is the extent to which people are willing to buy into silly birther conspiracy theories.
“Since he was born in Honolulu this is an obviously false statement.”
Even if he had been born in Hawaii, he held and holds dual citizenship at best and was/is proud of it. The argument that Kenya’s becoming a country on its own merely serves to emphasize his questionable loyalties, especially given that he actively supports Kenyan politicians, a violation of his oath as a sitting US Senator.
A President of the United States cannot be elected as a person holding dual citizenship.
Obama promised to have the most transperant administration ever. Sadly he has broken this promise. If he is proved to be ineligible to be president it creates a constitutional crisis. The court system is suppose to be the branch of government that ensures that the constitution is followed. If both congress and the president are violating the constitution, judges are the ones responsible for pulling them back in line. So your statement is most likely incorrect... however judging from some of your outrageous statements I doubt whether accuracy is your primary concern.
This tells me that the whole system of jurisprudence in the US could rest on the Lakin case. Given that we are “presumed innocent until proven guilty” it should be up to the State to prove that Obama is legally the President to prove that Lakin is guilty.
It should be important to every defense lawyer in the nation to help Lakin in this case. Their entire way of defending clients is at risk.
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