Posted on 09/08/2010 8:34:53 AM PDT by pillut48
I respectfully disagree. Hear me out—I’m a military brat and no one places our military and veterans on a higher pedestal than *me*.
The hard truth is, our military is NOT allowed to function 100% effectively. Their hands are tied in so many ways—and now, we are stuck in Afghanistan, where the jihadists need only wait us out—it has been well established throughout history and other wars in the region that traditional warfare just doesn’t work, especially when liberals are in charge and want a ‘peaceful’ resolution that will NEVER be possible as long as the combatants will commit suicide to further their cause??
Maybe this is God’s way of getting things moving over there, so we can FINALLY allow the military to do their job, do it fast, and FINISH IT, whatever that entails—so our troops can come home to their families?
I’m really disappointed in Petraeus’ remarks about this. He’s over there fighting FOR freedom, not for more ways to tie the hands of Americans. I pray for the soldiers and others who will be caught up in this, but like another poster said, Islamofascists are angry *all* the time, they are just looking for convenient excuses. This is one. I say, get the war off the back burner, draw these terrorists out of hiding to participate in American flag burning protests, and go to town getting rid of them! The terrorists are experts at hiding in the mountainous regions of Afghanistan, etc. What’s the old saying? “If the mountain won’t come to Mohammed, then Mohammed must go to the mountain”? (Mountain=US military forces et al , Mohammed = terrorists hell bent on destroying infidels worldwide)
If someone was going to burn Bibles, it would not even make the news so why do we care about this?
No kidding. We have very contrasting responses by two religious people. On one hand the Muslims who are the lowest of all people, they make death threats and build bombs when they feel offended. On the other hand are Christians who come out against this crazy pastor and who forgive when offended.
I don’t care if he burns some Korans. This just amplifies who the enemies are. They just happen to be all Muslim.
The Bible says the Quran is a lie and that all muslims will burn in hell. The churches mission is to reach them with the gospel, by showing them a better way. Burning a Quran is not the way to reach them. One day, all Quran’s will be burnt by God, he has not called us to that task. It would be the individual muslims repsonsibility to repent, believe the gospel and then burn his own Quran.
Doesn't seem that strategy is working very well for us.
My sympathies lie with "Burn, Baby, burn!". Then, return 10 fold whatever the reaction might be.
We are in a "total war". Huh? A total war is a war between societies/cultures rather than a war between politically driven armies. While our attention is drawn to the Iraq and Afghan battlefields we forget the larger world war of Islam versus the planet Earth.
The goal of all wars is to get your enemy to stop fighting.
All war strategy has to be built around that goal. As such, burning the Koran and other stunts make the enemy fight harder and are counterproductive, requiring more blood and treasure for us to win.
We have to fight smarter, all of us, particularly non-uniformed partisans opposed to radical Islam......us civilians.
When we, by thinking clearly here: diminish the conversion of moderate Moslems into jihadists, cut off jihadist money and movement, degrade jihadist leadership, and degrade jihadists on the declared battlefields, and eliminate jihadist safe havens....we will win and make the Earth safe from jihadist irregulars.
The opposition to the NY mosque is a classic case of the enemy dislocating us strategically. We should require a mosque to be built there. Rub the enemies nose into what Islam caused, shame Islam and Moslem moderates will more likely avoid jihadism.
Of one thing I am sure. None of us, Terry Jones, etc. has the beginning of the responsibility or understanding of the Afghan battlefield, that Gen. Petraeus has. No chance I will ever criticize a soldier in the field on strategic points. I have critiqued tactics and the politics driving our strategic choices.
It's easy to call them from the bench folks, quite another when your command is sending body bags home.
Gen. Petraeus is our leader of our strategy against jihadists. If he says "don't", OK, then don't.
We all need to think more globally.
That is very true. Nobody is disputing this “pastor’s” right to do this, or even the fact that the Koran is an evil book that has caused nothing but endless harm and grief. But just because you can do something, even when you’re in the right, doesn’t mean you should do it.
This is doing nothing but giving ammunition to our enemies, giving sound-bites to the media to let them make Christians and conservatives look like loonies, and will probably actually result in an erosion of our First Amendment rights. I am sure Obama will use this to justify signing onto the UN treaty that prohibits criticism of “religion,” but is worded in such a way that it is obvious that the only “religion” that may not be criticized in any way will be Islam.
Thanks, Terry Jones.
Acts 19: 35 - 41
The city clerk quieted the crowd and said: "Men of Ephesus, doesn't all the world know that the city of Ephesus is the guardian of the temple of the great Artemis and of her image, which fell from heaven? Therefore, since these facts are undeniable, you ought to be quiet and not do anything rash. You have brought these men here, though they have neither robbed temples nor blasphemed our goddess. If, then, Demetrius and his fellow craftsmen have a grievance against anybody, the courts are open and there are proconsuls. They can press charges. If there is anything further you want to bring up, it must be settled in a legal assembly. As it is, we are in danger of being charged with rioting because of today's events. In that case we would not be able to account for this commotion, since there is no reason for it." After he had said this, he dismissed the assembly.
For the sake of accuracy, I have no idea of the extent of their association. My comments were based on this thread from this morning, and the fact that Jones has some characteristics which are similar to Phelps. I have little doubt that Phelps is some sort of subversive, not a Christian pastor.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2584978/posts
Bullpucky.
So what would you have our government do? Pass a law against Koran burning?
Put this in perspective. They have the RIGHT to burn the books. They probably shouldn’t, but they have the right. If the government steps in and stops them, what’s the next free speech issue to come under scrutiny? Perhaps criticism of the President?
Hmmm.
President Obama has already ceded the Afghan war to our enemies by restating the July 11, 2011 withdrawal date.Quite honestly, he may be the biggest burden our troops have to suffer with. They are based in a land that is inhabited by people who are incited to kill over the publication of a cartoon.We may get some emotional satisfaction over seeing Korans burned now but I will gladly forego the emotional satisfaction and wait until the troops are home before we light them up.
Doesn't seem that strategy is working very well for us.
We don't have to, but we do because we are better than them. And the strategy is working as we live in the most free, prosperous and secure nation on earth.
We are in a Holy War and have been since the Crusades. Ya know what, using the word crusade is offensive to muslims, perhaps we should scratch that word from our vocabulary, even though it means “valiant undertaking” to us.
On the other hand, this country didn’t become great because of political correctness. We’d still be paying tea taxes to England if we behaved back then the way people want us to behave now.
THREE Christian high school girls were beheaded as a Ramadan “trophy” by Indonesian militants who conceived the idea after a visit to Philippines jihadists, a court heard yesterday.
The girls’ severed heads were dumped in plastic bags in their village in Indonesia’s strife-torn Central Sulawesi province, along with a handwritten note threatening more such attacks.
The note read: “Wanted: 100 more Christian heads, teenaged or adult, male or female; blood shall be answered with blood, soul with soul, head with head.”
Javanese trader Hasanuddin appeared in Jakarta Central Court yesterday charged with planning and directing the murders in October last year. He faces a death sentence if found guilty under anti-terrorism legislation.
Hasanuddin allegedly returned from a visit to members of Philippines Islamist group the Moro Islamic Liberation Front with tales of how that organisation regularly staged bombings to coincide with Lebaran, the festival that ends the Muslim holy month of Ramadan. He later spoke with a preacher in Poso, Central Sulawesi, about whether such a plan could work in Indonesia, but expressed doubt about whether it was appropriate.
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However, after further discussion with friends, he decided that beheading Christians could qualify as an act of Muslim charity.
Conscripting several accomplices at a local pesantren, or Islamic school, he directed one of them, Lilik Purnomo, to seek out “the head of a Christian”, prosecutors alleged.
“It would be a great Lebaran trophy if we got a Christian. Go search for the best place for us to find one,” Hasanuddin allegedly ordered his companion.
Lilik returned to say he had found an “excellent” target - a group of schoolgirls who travelled to and from class by foot in the Central Sulawesi village of Gebong Rejo. The village is in the district of Poso, where hundreds of people have died in sectarian violence in recent years.
Many observers worry that Central Sulawesi has become the latest battleground in a deadly jihad.
Three Christian men were executed there last month for their role in a massacre of Muslims in 2000 and there have been a series of deadly attacks in the province in recent months.
Prosecutors yesterday detailed how Hasanuddin, Lilik and co-accused Irwanto Irano planned the schoolgirl beheadings with six other men. They prepared six machetes and black plastic bags for carrying off the severed heads and spent several days surveying the area where the students regularly passed by.
The operation was called off on one occasion, when a woman spotted the attackers hiding by the roadside, waiting for their victims. On the night before the attack, Lilik told Hasanuddin: “I hope you are ready to receive your Lebaran gift.”
The attack was launched the following morning, but only four of the six targeted girls appeared.
Lilik, directing the attack from a nearby hill, told his accomplices to act quickly so that the remaining two girls could still be killed should they appear behind their friends.
The attackers cleanly beheaded three of the students but a fourth, Noviana Malewa, escaped after a struggle and ran away screaming. Her attackers gave chase but were unable to catch her.
The bodies, dressed in school uniform, were left by the roadside near the execution site, but the heads were carried in a backpack to Hasanuddin.The trial of his two co-accomplices was adjourned until Wednesday, when Hasanuddin will also reappear.
“Winning hearts and minds”. The paradox is that you cannot have a policy of winning hearts and minds where the inhabitants of the land you are fighting in have neither hearts or minds.That is precisely why they kill people over cartoons.
The “news media” is desperately looking for anti-Islamic nuts. Reverend Jones provides them one.
I disagree. There is a difference between being intemperate and being weak.
The Sons of Liberty were essentially a bunch of rabble-rousers before the Revolutionary War. They made up a large part of the mob that was involved in the Boston Massacre. John Adams provided legal defense to the British soldiers involved.
And yet 3 years later, one of the leaders of the Sons of Liberty, Samuel Adams, tried to rein in the group from performing the actions that came to be known as the Boston Tea Party.
Both John Adams and Samuel Adams were Bostonians who loved liberty and freedom. Both were instrumental in the eventual Revolution. Neither were weak men, but neither were they intemperate.
If Petraeus was concerned about the troops, he’d let them fight and kill the enemy.
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