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Villaraigosa call officers who fatally shot man 'heroes'
Losa ANgeles Wave ^ | September 9, 2010 | Wire Services

Posted on 09/09/2010 10:52:54 PM PDT by UncleHambone

Los Angeles police who confronted and fatally shot an apparently drunk man with a knife who was threatening a pregnant woman and her child is a hero, Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa asserted Wednesday.

The mayor also defended police Chief Charlie Beck, who was shouted down at a community meeting meant to calm residents in the neighborhood where the officer-involved shooting occurred Sunday afternoon near MacArthur Park.

Protesters have taken to the streets in anger three nights in a row — setting fires, dumping garbage and throwing rocks and bottles at police — since an LAPD bicycle patrol officer shot and killed Manuel Jamines, 37, for threatening people with a knife and refusing orders to drop his weapon.

Critics said Jamines was drunk but not dangerous, and authorities should have used less-than-lethal force to restrain him.

Beck sought to calm residents during a community meeting last night, but members of the crowd heckled and booed him. Some yelled "Killers! Assassins!''

"I think those kinds of accusations are not only outrageous, they shouldn't be repeated,'' Villaraigosa said.

(Excerpt) Read more at wavenewspapers.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; anarchy; deadcriminal; guatemala; hero; immigration; losangeles; police; riots; sanctuarycity; villaraigosa

1 posted on 09/09/2010 10:52:57 PM PDT by UncleHambone
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To: UncleHambone

LA riots . . . again.


2 posted on 09/09/2010 11:03:42 PM PDT by BAW ( I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me.)
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To: UncleHambone

right


3 posted on 09/09/2010 11:09:54 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: All

Rioting and Looting = Hoodlum Olympics.


4 posted on 09/09/2010 11:12:34 PM PDT by Rodney Dangerfield (David Horowitz: "The War on Sarah Palin is really a War on Conservatives.")
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To: UncleHambone
Beck sought to calm residents during a community meeting last night, but members of the crowd heckled and booed him. Some yelled "Killers! Assassins!''

Assassins? Actually, that's pretty impressive for an ugly mob.
5 posted on 09/09/2010 11:14:24 PM PDT by Krankor (I had too much to dream last night, too much to dream.)
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To: UncleHambone

Sorry, but this was probably another abuse of force. Can’t tell for sure with the information provided, but am becoming much less automatically pro police with the high incidence of abuse. I’m sure that they can claim that they had no tasers, or other non-lethal weapons (because we taxpayers refuse to provide enough money to support them).

I remain skeptical though (especially with the other excessive force used by the “break and enter” forces - and shooting innocent people...

Yes, for those pro law enforcement fellows, I use to be like you but am fast becoming anti-police and anti-government. Seems that corruption starts at the top and has been leaking downward for years now...


6 posted on 09/10/2010 12:19:56 AM PDT by Deagle
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To: UncleHambone
Oh dear, how will Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa keep the illegal vote, the Aztlan vote, and the work for cash only vote while courting the law and order vote and the police union vote?

He might try adding a few more Spanish surnames on, everybody votes for family!

7 posted on 09/10/2010 12:54:31 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: UncleHambone

Color me surprised... I didn’t expect this out of Mayor Vivalaraza.


8 posted on 09/10/2010 1:13:23 AM PDT by Redcloak (What's your zombie plan?)
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To: UncleHambone

Where’s Joe Friday? He would be very disappointed at LA today.


9 posted on 09/10/2010 1:28:54 AM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (If leftist legislation that's already in place really can't be ended by non-leftists, then what?)
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To: Krankor

Not if you’re a Marxist (RCP) freak. Probably the word used was “asesinos,” which means “killers” and not specifically assassins.

However, I think this “riot” should be heavily investigated, because this practice of white radical leftist or anarchist groups coming into an ethnic area and stirring up a riot based on some incident is becoming all too common.

The radical leftist groups did the same thing in Oakland a couple of months ago with the riots after the judgment on that police officer who shot a guy at the BART station. When you look at the photos you see some blacks - and lots of lank-haired white kids with bandannas tied around their faces. This included the looters.


10 posted on 09/10/2010 2:50:41 AM PDT by livius
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To: UncleHambone

My eyes won’t stop rapidly blinking after seeing that headline.


11 posted on 09/10/2010 4:32:25 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is <strike>fading</strike>gone.)
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To: johnthebaptistmoore
Where’s Joe Friday? He would be very disappointed at LA today.

He wouldn't even recognize it today. Joe Friday would probably break down and weep seeing what LA is like today. It is sad watching shows like Dragnet, Adam-12 and others from the 1960's and 1970's today and seeing what Los Angeles used to be like, when it was actually an American city.

I just saw an episode of Dragnet on our local Re-run station which featured MacArthur Park. It looked alot more peaceful and friendly back then. Now no American would dare show up there unless they had M-16's.

12 posted on 09/10/2010 4:48:47 AM PDT by AmericaOne (Sneaking In is NOT Immigration!!!)
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To: UncleHambone

I’m waiting for General Petraeus to call the city and tell them to stop taking police action against drunk illegals, because it might inflame mexicans in Mexico and in our country and endanger our troops if we ever deploy any to defend our borders.


13 posted on 09/10/2010 8:05:56 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Deagle
"Sorry, but this was probably another abuse of force."

Oh, please, there are proper times for that charge, this isn't one of them. The protesters don't CARE if the perp was innocent or guilty...he was 'guatemalan'...the only thing that matters.

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14 posted on 09/10/2010 8:19:00 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

You “may” be right... If you go by news reports, things are specified in a way that biases the news. Now this may not be one of those times (I don’t know), but today, there are many abuses of police force that are reported.

I do know that there are either many more instances of police brutality and excessive force or may it’s just that the 24 hour news cycle is catching up... You can believe whichever you wish...

At least stop the nonsensical break and enter and then shoot anyone that seems to be a threat (even dogs). After all, drug users are rarely threats (and they would know in advance if they were major dealers).

Take this minor stuff with the continuing action of our local “best” that want to insure revenue at the risk of higher crime. These things all do even out eventually..


15 posted on 09/10/2010 8:30:51 AM PDT by Deagle
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To: Deagle

“At least stop the nonsensical break and enter and then shoot anyone that seems to be a threat (even dogs).”

Agreed, however that scenario has nothing to do with this case.


16 posted on 09/10/2010 8:32:53 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

Okay, agree that this is probably not one of those instances. Still, would only call these folks to get my insurance validated... :^) (and while I lived in Maryland 8 years, wouldn’t call them at all...)


17 posted on 09/10/2010 8:37:02 AM PDT by Deagle
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To: Deagle

Nope.

Threaten an armed citizen with a knife, take a bullet. Doesn’t matter if the armed citizen is private individual or a cop. Either way, its good riddance to bad rubbish. The only thing that bothers me is that subjects of the PRK don’t have that option - only cops.

Now if they’d just take some machine guns to the rioters.


18 posted on 09/10/2010 8:48:12 AM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: Little Ray

Sorry, you seem to think that that police are always justified in their actions... My guess is that you have not had an encounter to question that viewpoint.

That’s okay, I also had your viewpoint for many years... it just takes real world experience to change things. Keep your optimistic views as long as you can - it helps.


19 posted on 09/10/2010 8:52:40 AM PDT by Deagle
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To: Little Ray

Oh no, too fast. The ISraelis know how to do it right ... Ruger 1022, fully suppressed,excellent optics, shots made to delicate portions of the lower body, to leave lasting impressions. Yea, machinegunning the scum is just more cleanup work for the Israeli janitorial staff. [BTW, did you knwo that the most painful place to be shot is in the bladder area?]


20 posted on 09/10/2010 8:52:40 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Mormons, believing they cannot be deceived; nye impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

You might well be that scum someday... better re-think your priorities.


21 posted on 09/10/2010 9:01:39 AM PDT by Deagle
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To: Deagle
Nope. I think that cops have gotten too militarized.

I think that no-knock raids or kicking down doors are justified only if someone is in immediate danger.

But, if a private armed citizen shot a drunken, knife-wielding illegal alien dead, I bet you'd be be all for it. I know I would.

I extend the same courtesy to the cops.

22 posted on 09/10/2010 9:13:58 AM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: MHGinTN

Don’t want pain. I want to put an end to their entitlement mindset and their “Machete” inspired fantasies.


23 posted on 09/10/2010 9:15:31 AM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: Little Ray

Aw, you’re such a softy. ... Enough pain and they learn self-restraint, or they die.


24 posted on 09/10/2010 9:17:13 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Mormons, believing they cannot be deceived; nye impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Little Ray

“But, if a private armed citizen shot a drunken, knife-wielding illegal alien dead, I bet you’d be be all for it. I know I would.”

Actually, I have changed my mind a bit about that... A drunk with a knife is not dangerous unless he gets close to you and I doubt that officers were close enough to have to fire their weapons. Now I agree that shooting a suspect with a knife is ok if he is charging the officer but really, otherwise, just another police justified killing (or suicide by cop).

The Police of way too many States are becoming too aggressive in their actions. Reading the news lately has be grieving mostly for all the dogs being shot...geez.


25 posted on 09/10/2010 9:25:23 AM PDT by Deagle
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To: Deagle

Don’t see it that way and never will. A belligerent drunk with a knife IS dangerous. Its stupid to wait for him to make up his mind to hurt someone. Or even do it accidentally.

Also, he’s not entitled to that consideration. Its called “assumption of risk.” Engage in idiotic, antisocial, criminal behavior (like drunkenly threatening people with a knife) and your are responsible for what happens to you. I happen to think this was a happy outcome, regardless of who shot him. I just hope he didn’t pass on his genes.


26 posted on 09/10/2010 9:39:35 AM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: Little Ray

Yeah, okay, that is really the normal response these days. Later, many will see this as an over the top response...

Not trying to convince anyone... It’s really a perception and maybe life experience type of question...


27 posted on 09/10/2010 9:42:47 AM PDT by Deagle
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To: UncleHambone; All

Guatemala is a mess. This is how they think:

Family of immigrant killed by LAPD begs for support

The family of a Guatemalan man who was shot to death by a Los Angeles police officer is demanding justice...
According to reports out of Guatemala, the Jamines family in Guatemala live in a small hut with no heat or running water. Manuel Guarcaj, an indigenous leader in the hamlet, is demanding that authorities in the U.S. should pay off Jamines’ debts and also provide funds for his children’s education[snip]

http://www.speroforum.com/a/39603/Family-of-immigrant-killed-by-LAPD-begs-for-support

Guatemala is demanding TPS for their citizens, and they’ll probably get it.

Guatemala is a mess, and we’re getting it exported here.

A Guatemala government report said that last year 27,222 of its citizens were deported from the United States and 28,800 from Mexico; Honduras estimates more than 500 of its people leave for the north every day.

Prensa Libre (Guatemala City, Guatemala) 8/29/10

Guatemalan Migrants called “heroes”

Guatemalan President Alvaro Colom, in Los Angeles, California, to inaugurate the sixth annual Guatemalan festival (Feria Chapina), called his country’s migrants “heroes” for having the courage to migrate to the US, an unknown country. Plans were revealed to construct a monument to migrants near La Aurora, Guatemala City’s international airport.

http://www.prensalibre.com/noticias/Colom-Feria-Chapina-EE-UU_0_325767433.html

La Hora (Guatemala, Guatemala) 9/3/10

Temporary Protected Status urged for undocumented Guatemalans in US

An opinion column in La Hora concerns an appeal by a number of Guatemalan organizations requesting President Alvaro Colom to convey to the US government the necessity for Temporary Protected Status (TPS) for undocumented Guatemalan migrants living in the US. The column points out, “the support of US personalities who have considered TPS to be a minimum measure of solidarity with Guatemala.”

http://www.lahora.com.gt/notas.php?key=72724&fch=2010-09-03

[Excerpt from USCIS publication: The Secretary of Homeland Security may designate a foreign country for TPS due to conditions in the country that temporarily prevent the country’s nationals from returning safely, or in certain circumstances, where the country is unable to handle the return of its nationals adequately. USCIS may grant TPS to eligible nationals of certain countries (or parts of countries), who are already in the United States.

Prensa Libre (Guatemala, Guatemala) 9/4/10

Deported Guatemalans without work

A study by a Guatemalan human rights organization of those deported from the meat packing plant in Potsville, Iowa in May of 2008, 64% remain without work and 36% have only temporary employment. This is a reflection of the status of most Guatemalans deported back to their own country because of Guatemala’s lack of development opportunities, the study found. “They emigrate and are exploited for their labor. On returning they are victims of the incapability of the State to reestablish them.” The study also showed that 98% of those deported from Iowa were in debt [assumption: smuggling fees], but only 12% have already paid them.

http://www.prensalibre.com/noticias/Deportados-trabajo_0_329367102.html

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Guatemalan youth migration a worry

A Guatemalan youth study indicates that 50% of Guatemalan youths have either tried to travel illegally to the US or have thought of trying. Those that try go into debt to pay between the equivalent of $5,000 to $7,000 to “coyotes” to smuggle them north, but often are abandoned in Mexico and left to their own luck. Those who make it back home are left with huge debts and no way to pay them off. Those experiences do not seem to dissuade others from trying.

http://www.prensalibre.com/noticias/comunitario/Preocupa-migracion-jovenes_0_329367116.html

El Sol de Mexico (Mexico City) 8/21/10

Mexico detains 61 illegal immigrants from Guatemala and Ecuador

Chiapas, Mexico – A total of 61 undocumented immigrants from Guatemala and Ecuador were detained while being guided by smugglers in a wooded zone of the southern Mexican state of Chiapas, according to Mexican immigration officials (INM). The office received a call reporting the smuggling operation Friday night and dispatched agents to the area where they made the arrests. The two guides escaped, but the 61 aliens were taken into custody for processing. There were 53 Guatemalans and 8 Ecuadorians. More than 500,000 foreigners enter Mexico illegally each year en route to the US, according to the National Commission for Human Rights.

http://www.oem.com.mx/elsoldemexico/notas/n1753700.htm

All articles courtesy of NAFBPO.


28 posted on 09/11/2010 5:42:34 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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