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The Bonfire of the Qurans
Townhall.com ^ | Septeber 11, 2010 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 09/10/2010 6:44:34 AM PDT by Kaslin

Is there anyone who has not weighed in on the Saturday night, Sept. 11, bonfire of the Qurans at the Rev. Terry Jones' Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Fla.?

Gen. David Petraeus warns the Quran burnings could inflame the Muslim world and imperil U.S. troops in Afghanistan. Hillary Clinton declares it "disgraceful." Sarah Palin calls it a "provocation." President Obama calls it "a recruitment bonanza for al-Qaida. You could have serious violence in ... Pakistan and Afghanistan," and Muslims could be inspired "to blow themselves up."

The State Department has put U.S. embassies on alert in the near 50 countries where Muslims are a majority. The Vatican calls the bonfire "an outrageous and grave gesture. ... No one burns the Quran."

Mayor Michael Bloomberg, the defender of the ground zero mosque, is consistent. Burning Islam's most sacred book is "distasteful," he says, but the "First Amendment protects everybody."

Everybody frets and wrings their hands. No one acts.

Yet if, as President Obama and his commanding general both say, the torching of hundreds of Qurans could so enrage the Islamic world as to incite terror-bombings against U.S. troops and imperial our war effort, why does not the commander in chief send U.S. marshals to arrest this provocateur and abort his provocation?

For Jones, who sells t-shirts saying "Islam is of the Devil," may be an Islamophobe, but he is also a serious man, willing to live with the consequences of his deeds, even if he causes U.S. war casualties.

The questions raised by his deliberate provocation are not so much about him, then, as they are about us.

Are we a serious nation? Is Obama up to being a war president?

Constantly, we hear praise of Lincoln, Wilson and FDR as war leaders.

Yet President Lincoln arrested thousands of citizens and locked them up as security risks, while denying them habeas corpus. He shut newspapers and sent troops to block Maryland's elections, fearing Confederate sympathizers would win and take Maryland out of the Union.

President Wilson shut down antiwar newspapers, prosecuted editors, and put Socialist presidential candidate and war opponent Eugene Debs in prison, leaving him to rot until Warren Harding released him and invited the dangerous man over to the White House for dinner.

California Gov. Earl Warren and FDR collaborated to put 110,000 Japanese, 75,000 of them U.S. citizens, into detention camps for the duration of the war and ordered the Department of Justice to prosecute antiwar conservatives.

During Korea, Harry Truman seized the steel mills when a threatened strike potentially imperiled production of war munitions. Richard Nixon went to court to block publication of the Pentagon papers until the Supreme Court decided publication could go forward.

This is not written to defend those war measures or those wars. It is to say that if a president takes a nation to war, and commits men to their deaths, as Obama did in doubling the number of U.S. troops in Afghanistan, he should be prepared to do what is within his power to protect those troops.

And if Petraeus says letting Jones set this bonfire could imperil U.S. troops, Obama should act to stop it. And if he is so paralyzed by uncertainty as to whether he can do anything -- and, as a result, soldiers die -- what would that tell us about their commander in chief?

Would stopping Jones and confiscating the Qurans violate Jones' First Amendment rights? Perhaps. And perhaps not. But if Eric Holder cannot find a charge against Davis, or an inherent power of a war president to prevent actions imminently damaging to the war effort, Obama should find some Justice Department attorneys who can.

Let the ACLU make the case that interfering with Davis' bonfire violates his First Amendment rights. Let a U.S. court decide whether Obama has the power to take a decision previous wartime presidents would have taken without hesitation.

And if Obama does not have the power to stop actions like this, imperiling our troops, then we should get out of this war.

This episode reveals the gulf between us and the Islamic world. Despite all our talk of universal values, tens of millions of Muslims, in countries not only hostile but friendly, believe that a sacrilege against their faith, like the burning of the Quran by a single American oddball, justifies the killing of Americans. What kind of compatibility can there be between us?

What do we have in common with people who believe that evangelism by other faiths in their societies merits the death penalty, as do conversions to Christianity, while promiscuity and adultery justify stonings, lashings and beheadings.

And what does it say about our ability to fight and win a "long war" in the Islamic world if our war effort can be crippled by a solitary pastor with 50 families in his church who decides to have a book burning?

Action creates consensus, Mr. President. People follow when a leader leads.


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1 posted on 09/10/2010 6:44:35 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Not all Muslims hate us. But the Muslims who do hate us not because of the nutty things the nuttiest among us do.

They hate us because we are not Muslims.

[Cold reality slap in the face]


2 posted on 09/10/2010 6:47:32 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Kaslin

The interest on our debt finances the Chinese army. We may need them to defeat Islam one day. How ironic.


3 posted on 09/10/2010 6:47:35 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Kaslin

I wasn’t sure if this was tongue-in-cheek or not. I can’t imagine Buchanan urging Bush to shut down any of the crazy left-wing anti-war activities that also put troops in danger.


4 posted on 09/10/2010 6:49:49 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: Kaslin

Like most of Buchanans stuff this would read much better in German.


5 posted on 09/10/2010 6:50:27 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Kaslin

Just think everyone, if you’ve ever wanted 15 minutes of international fame, now is your chance. Just spend a little money on some korans and gasoline and you’ll be the talk of the week.
If you want to be really famous, you could launch the korans up in a helium balloon and call the media.


6 posted on 09/10/2010 6:50:48 AM PDT by MNDude (Ask the Native American's how their "Open Borders" policy worked out for them.)
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To: rhombus
I can’t imagine Buchanan urging Bush to shut down any of the crazy left-wing anti-war activities that also put troops in danger.

That's because Pat's about as left wing as they come. He just won't admit it.

7 posted on 09/10/2010 6:51:15 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Kaslin
But if Eric Holder cannot find a charge against Davis

Who is Davis?

8 posted on 09/10/2010 6:53:25 AM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: rhombus
That's what I thought too. Is he kidding?

And if Obama does not have the power to stop actions like this, imperiling our troops, then we should get out of this war.

Pretty weak argument. We should only go to war when the President is willing to impose marshal law?

9 posted on 09/10/2010 6:54:22 AM PDT by DManA
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To: MNDude

Just think everyone, if you’ve ever wanted 15 minutes of international fame, now is your chance. Just spend a little money on some korans and gasoline and you’ll be the talk of the week.
If you want to be really famous, you could launch the korans up in a helium balloon and call the media.


What i don´t get is why this is so overhyped in the media now. I mean it´s not like this “Book” has never been burned before. there are dozens of youtube videos where you can see someone burning a quran since years.


10 posted on 09/10/2010 6:54:41 AM PDT by darkside321
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To: MNDude

*****you could launch the korans up in a helium balloon and call the media****

Stop giving them ideas;) LOL!!!

(or floating 72 virgin turkeys up in a balloon and dropping them on MSNBC’s parking lot)!!!!


11 posted on 09/10/2010 6:56:21 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair; man's surrender. Laughter; God's redemption.)
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To: Kaslin

Democracy, liberty, individual rights and respect for individuals can never partner up with Islam, and we are foolish for thinking otherwise. Islam is what it is, and not what we would like to pretend it is.


12 posted on 09/10/2010 6:57:19 AM PDT by pallis
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To: Kaslin

“I summon my blue-eyed slaves anytime it pleases me. I command the Americans to send me their bravest soldiers to die for me. Anytime I clap my hands a stupid genie called the American ambassador appears to do my bidding. When the Americans die in my service their bodies are frozen in metal boxes by the US Embassy and American airplanes carry them away, as if they never existed. Truly, America is my favorite slave.”

King Fahd Bin Abdul-Aziz, Jeddeh 1993


13 posted on 09/10/2010 6:58:25 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: DManA
Pretty weak argument. We should only go to war when the President is willing to impose marshal law?

Agreed. Can you imagine if Bush had stepped in and forbid all media from publishing the Abu Ghaib abuse pictures? Of course it would have been pointless because a place like WikiLeaks would have published them anyway but Buchanan and his MSNBC buddies would have choked on their own spittle condemning Bush (again).

14 posted on 09/10/2010 7:00:17 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: Kaslin

Possibly the worst thing to come out of this circus is that Westboro “Baptist” Church has allied with Dove World and says they will be burning Qurans too. The last thing in the world I would want as an image of America is Westboro BC. As much as I might agree about the dangers of Islam, these guys need to knock it off. They are going to get Americans killed. This is not the way we fight the war.


15 posted on 09/10/2010 7:02:47 AM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: darkside321
What i don´t get is why this is so overhyped in the media now. I mean it´s not like this “Book” has never been burned before. there are dozens of youtube videos where you can see someone burning a quran since years.

Because at first the story fit the template of the Islamophic southern Christian yahoo and it was a convenient way to shame the majority of people into accepting the liberal perspective on the near Ground Zero mosque. Then the story got away from them and was over-hyped into some sort of silly international crisis.

16 posted on 09/10/2010 7:04:18 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: Kaslin
Hey Pat, isn't it the job of the military to insure that Reverend Jones has the right to burn the Koran if he so chooses? Isn't that the job of our military? Isn't our security based on the protection of our God given rights, no matter how ignorant or objectionable the protected act may be?

Shouldn't Petraeus be saying "You go right ahead and burn those Korans, Reverend, we've got your back?

This whole dang thing is upside down. I am really getting concerned over the future of this nation.
17 posted on 09/10/2010 7:04:50 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Slow to anger but terrible in vengence...such is the character of the American people.)
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To: Kaslin

this whole event confirms two things

muslims are evil (yeah Of course there’s “some good ones” good luck trying to find them though)

and americans are stupid enough to let muslims threatening violence trump constitutional rights

I always try to remain optimistic about america’s survivial, but during the last few days the country has done more to flush itself down the toilet than I have seen in a long time.


18 posted on 09/10/2010 7:05:32 AM PDT by Cubs Fan (American Constitutional rights ARE NOT subject to muslim approval)
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To: Sender
Perhaps not, but it is the REASON that we fight wars. The whole purpose of having a military is to defend this idiot's' right to be obnoxious and burn Korans.

On the otherhand, I agree about Westborough, but they also have First Amendment protection.
19 posted on 09/10/2010 7:07:53 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Slow to anger but terrible in vengence...such is the character of the American people.)
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To: rhombus

Yes, after everything the left has done and/or applauded that would truly put the the troops and other Americans in harm’s way, NOW they are concerned, about a pastor with a congregation of app 50 who wants to burn a few Korans? Where was all their concern when The Slimes published, when they wanted to release photos, etc? That train has been rolling full-speed, NOW they want to slam the brakes on over THIS action-because it’s the Muslims who will be “offended”. So this country dances to whatever tune Muslims play.


20 posted on 09/10/2010 7:08:20 AM PDT by mrsmel
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To: Kaslin

1)We are at war with the Islamic world whether we want to admit it or not....and it is a very different war.

2) Like the Russians,Germans or Japanese of previous wars, not all of the enemy is evil.

3) Would our grandparents threw a hissy fit over the burning of Mein Kampf????

4) Our troops are already in grave danger...is there another kind of danger they should be afraid of???


21 posted on 09/10/2010 7:09:49 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: Kaslin
One of the Phelps family members just called into our Seattle area radio station and said the Westborro church will carry on a Quran burning this weekend in Topeka Kansas, burning with it an American flag.
22 posted on 09/10/2010 7:12:06 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: Cubs Fan

You can best believe that this “crisis” has someone in government looking for a way to extend the scope of “hate crimes”. Muslims will become a protected “religion” while so-called “artists” will continue to be funded by the taxpayer to exhibit crosses in urine. Free speech will be further eroded except when the target is Christianity, which will be further characterised as singularly “bigoted” and “radical” and in need of close watching.


23 posted on 09/10/2010 7:14:24 AM PDT by mrsmel
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To: Sender

How do you think we fight a war?


24 posted on 09/10/2010 7:15:40 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012 (Proud Infidel)
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To: Sender

Maybe we wouldn’t have to fight a war if we stood up to them. They attack because we are weak.


25 posted on 09/10/2010 7:18:20 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: PetroniusMaximus

King Fahd’s newphew aka The King has major investments/shareholding in 4 of the 6 TV networks plus deals with the 5th.

Do you wonder why ALL of TV loves their Kenyan agent and Islam?

Americans gave up their liberty for a TV clicker.


26 posted on 09/10/2010 7:18:40 AM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: Sender
“Possibly the worst thing to come out of this circus is that Westboro “Baptist” Church has allied with Dove World and says they will be burning Qurans too.”

Mrs. Phelps was just on a Seattle radio station saying they will burn it along with an American flag. This is just getting nuts.
The interesting thing is, Qurans have been burned and desecrated in other ways in the U.S. and other countries before. This is just the first time the media is making a circus out of it. The nut in Florida should of had an audience of about 50, and that's it. It should of gone unnoticed outside of that zip code. Now the media, if they are disappointed on Saturday, will chase down every burning they are made aware of, until they get the desired results - which is outrage against America.

27 posted on 09/10/2010 7:21:47 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: Sender

This fight is eventually going to take place so I am not sure avoiding provocation while we are fighting them there is the solution. As 9/11 showed and with the growing illegal immigration problem, the battle has and will be brought to us if we allow it.


28 posted on 09/10/2010 7:23:21 AM PDT by gunnut
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To: fruser1

Exactly. They are testing the boundaries, and sure enough everytime they push, we move back. They’re not going to have to take over violently, the West is goimg to wind up surrendering.


29 posted on 09/10/2010 7:25:31 AM PDT by mrsmel
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To: Kaslin

What a conundrum this presents the anti-war leftist. Do they blaspheme the first commandment of multiculturalism and burn Korans to incite violent retribution against American soldiers, thus increasing the chance for a pull out, or do they reframe from the burnings and thus support American troop mission? Deep thoughts.


30 posted on 09/10/2010 7:36:53 AM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: Cubs Fan

this whole event confirms two things

muslims are evil (yeah Of course there’s “some good ones” good luck trying to find them though)

and americans are stupid enough to let muslims threatening violence trump constitutional rights

I always try to remain optimistic about america’s survivial, but during the last few days the country has done more to flush itself down the toilet than I have seen in a long time.


All true. I have learned in the last few days is that we have a lot of self-described “conservatives” demonstrate that they possess IQ’s struggling to get into two digits...and totally ignoring the US Constitution to practice Dhimmitude for Islamic Terrorist States and Islamic Terrorists.

Not burning those Koran’s is Terrorist Appeasement...and considered a victory “over the infidel” by Islamic Terrorists


32 posted on 09/10/2010 7:38:18 AM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (Obama runs things like a Communist Chinese traffic jam)
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To: Sender

I could care less about the Westboro Baptist Church or Dove World. But I hate Islamic terrorists worse and I see know reason to give these ignorant morons stuck in the 7th century veto rights of the 1st amendment.


33 posted on 09/10/2010 7:39:06 AM PDT by ontap
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To: Frantzie

I am beginning to connect the dots that we are enslaved to the Saudis without realizing it - and have been for decades.


34 posted on 09/10/2010 7:39:32 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Kaslin

I’m not going to question the judgement of David Petraeus but aren’t our troops already in”Danger”?


35 posted on 09/10/2010 7:39:39 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

Great post!!!


36 posted on 09/10/2010 7:39:46 AM PDT by ontap
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To: the invisib1e hand

The second sentence of my post applies to him.

I agree - f -em.


37 posted on 09/10/2010 7:39:55 AM PDT by DManA
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To: ontap

know =no


38 posted on 09/10/2010 7:40:41 AM PDT by ontap
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To: bandleader
I’m not going to question the judgement of David Petraeus but aren’t our troops already in”Danger”?

I'll question it. By even mentioning these guys, Petraeus made sure everybody in Afghanistan knew about this stupid church.

39 posted on 09/10/2010 7:40:51 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: bandleader

Of course they are, but there is no need to even to put them in more danger, is there?


40 posted on 09/10/2010 7:42:38 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Sender

Nonsense. The only thing that will stop these animals from killing Americans would be for all Americans to convert to islam and accept sharia law. The sooner we accept that the sooner we will stop tip toeing around these SOBs.


41 posted on 09/10/2010 7:42:40 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Kaslin

“For Jones, who sells t-shirts saying “Islam is of the Devil,” may be an Islamophobe, but he is also a serious man, willing to live with the consequences of his deeds, even if he causes U.S. war casualties.”

Then let him move to the middle east, where arabic Christians are within reach of the Islamic mobs if he wants to “live with the consequences” of burning a Koran.

Freegards


42 posted on 09/10/2010 7:44:00 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: dfwgator

And by mentioning it Patraues is asking his civilian bosses to suspend the Constitution and stomp the koran burners.


43 posted on 09/10/2010 7:44:19 AM PDT by DManA
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To: ontap
I could care less about the Westboro Baptist Church or Dove World. But I hate Islamic terrorists worse and I see know reason to give these ignorant morons stuck in the 7th century veto rights of the 1st amendment.

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Amen!

44 posted on 09/10/2010 7:44:24 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Kaslin

So your saying if we burn the korans they will kill them even more!!!


45 posted on 09/10/2010 7:48:52 AM PDT by ontap
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To: Sudetenland
Shouldn't Petraeus be saying "You go right ahead and burn those Korans, Reverend, we've got your back?

No. You haven't been paying attention the last 20 months or so.

Petraeus is thinking of his overextended troops and I approve of his comments. No one in history has ever won an offensive war in that area. Do you have so much confidence in His Awesomeness' leadership skills that he can lead the US to victory?

Without a competent CinC, Petraeus is helpless.

46 posted on 09/10/2010 7:49:48 AM PDT by altair (Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent - Salvor Hardin)
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To: Ransomed

So far as I know one does not have to move to practice the 1st amendment. I suffer when the flag is burned so the the mooslims can just suck it up when those vile books are torched!!!


47 posted on 09/10/2010 7:51:58 AM PDT by ontap
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To: Kaslin

If every single American purchased a copy of the Koran and burned it, who would benefit more than the folks who sell Korans? And who sells more Korans than Muslims?


48 posted on 09/10/2010 7:53:00 AM PDT by Walts Ice Pick
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To: Walts Ice Pick

Print off a few sheets from the internet,
put them on the coleman
fire ‘em up.


49 posted on 09/10/2010 7:54:40 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: ontap

Hey, I’m sure that’s a big comfort to the arabic Christians living among the savages. The westboro loons and the westboro loon wannabe can burn the books if they want. I just doubt they would if they had Christian family members within reach of the Islamic mobs. Maybe I’m wrong, and they would do it for their 15 anyhow.

Freegards


50 posted on 09/10/2010 7:57:41 AM PDT by Ransomed
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