Posted on 09/10/2010 6:44:34 AM PDT by Kaslin
Is there anyone who has not weighed in on the Saturday night, Sept. 11, bonfire of the Qurans at the Rev. Terry Jones' Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Fla.?
Gen. David Petraeus warns the Quran burnings could inflame the Muslim world and imperil U.S. troops in Afghanistan. Hillary Clinton declares it "disgraceful." Sarah Palin calls it a "provocation." President Obama calls it "a recruitment bonanza for al-Qaida. You could have serious violence in ... Pakistan and Afghanistan," and Muslims could be inspired "to blow themselves up."
The State Department has put U.S. embassies on alert in the near 50 countries where Muslims are a majority. The Vatican calls the bonfire "an outrageous and grave gesture. ... No one burns the Quran."
Mayor Michael Bloomberg, the defender of the ground zero mosque, is consistent. Burning Islam's most sacred book is "distasteful," he says, but the "First Amendment protects everybody."
Everybody frets and wrings their hands. No one acts.
Yet if, as President Obama and his commanding general both say, the torching of hundreds of Qurans could so enrage the Islamic world as to incite terror-bombings against U.S. troops and imperial our war effort, why does not the commander in chief send U.S. marshals to arrest this provocateur and abort his provocation?
For Jones, who sells t-shirts saying "Islam is of the Devil," may be an Islamophobe, but he is also a serious man, willing to live with the consequences of his deeds, even if he causes U.S. war casualties.
The questions raised by his deliberate provocation are not so much about him, then, as they are about us.
Are we a serious nation? Is Obama up to being a war president?
Constantly, we hear praise of Lincoln, Wilson and FDR as war leaders.
Yet President Lincoln arrested thousands of citizens and locked them up as security risks, while denying them habeas corpus. He shut newspapers and sent troops to block Maryland's elections, fearing Confederate sympathizers would win and take Maryland out of the Union.
President Wilson shut down antiwar newspapers, prosecuted editors, and put Socialist presidential candidate and war opponent Eugene Debs in prison, leaving him to rot until Warren Harding released him and invited the dangerous man over to the White House for dinner.
California Gov. Earl Warren and FDR collaborated to put 110,000 Japanese, 75,000 of them U.S. citizens, into detention camps for the duration of the war and ordered the Department of Justice to prosecute antiwar conservatives.
During Korea, Harry Truman seized the steel mills when a threatened strike potentially imperiled production of war munitions. Richard Nixon went to court to block publication of the Pentagon papers until the Supreme Court decided publication could go forward.
This is not written to defend those war measures or those wars. It is to say that if a president takes a nation to war, and commits men to their deaths, as Obama did in doubling the number of U.S. troops in Afghanistan, he should be prepared to do what is within his power to protect those troops.
And if Petraeus says letting Jones set this bonfire could imperil U.S. troops, Obama should act to stop it. And if he is so paralyzed by uncertainty as to whether he can do anything -- and, as a result, soldiers die -- what would that tell us about their commander in chief?
Would stopping Jones and confiscating the Qurans violate Jones' First Amendment rights? Perhaps. And perhaps not. But if Eric Holder cannot find a charge against Davis, or an inherent power of a war president to prevent actions imminently damaging to the war effort, Obama should find some Justice Department attorneys who can.
Let the ACLU make the case that interfering with Davis' bonfire violates his First Amendment rights. Let a U.S. court decide whether Obama has the power to take a decision previous wartime presidents would have taken without hesitation.
And if Obama does not have the power to stop actions like this, imperiling our troops, then we should get out of this war.
This episode reveals the gulf between us and the Islamic world. Despite all our talk of universal values, tens of millions of Muslims, in countries not only hostile but friendly, believe that a sacrilege against their faith, like the burning of the Quran by a single American oddball, justifies the killing of Americans. What kind of compatibility can there be between us?
What do we have in common with people who believe that evangelism by other faiths in their societies merits the death penalty, as do conversions to Christianity, while promiscuity and adultery justify stonings, lashings and beheadings.
And what does it say about our ability to fight and win a "long war" in the Islamic world if our war effort can be crippled by a solitary pastor with 50 families in his church who decides to have a book burning?
Action creates consensus, Mr. President. People follow when a leader leads.
Not all Muslims hate us. But the Muslims who do hate us not because of the nutty things the nuttiest among us do.
They hate us because we are not Muslims.
[Cold reality slap in the face]
The interest on our debt finances the Chinese army. We may need them to defeat Islam one day. How ironic.
I wasn’t sure if this was tongue-in-cheek or not. I can’t imagine Buchanan urging Bush to shut down any of the crazy left-wing anti-war activities that also put troops in danger.
Like most of Buchanans stuff this would read much better in German.
Just think everyone, if you’ve ever wanted 15 minutes of international fame, now is your chance. Just spend a little money on some korans and gasoline and you’ll be the talk of the week.
If you want to be really famous, you could launch the korans up in a helium balloon and call the media.
That's because Pat's about as left wing as they come. He just won't admit it.
Who is Davis?
And if Obama does not have the power to stop actions like this, imperiling our troops, then we should get out of this war.
Pretty weak argument. We should only go to war when the President is willing to impose marshal law?
Just think everyone, if you’ve ever wanted 15 minutes of international fame, now is your chance. Just spend a little money on some korans and gasoline and you’ll be the talk of the week.
If you want to be really famous, you could launch the korans up in a helium balloon and call the media.
*****you could launch the korans up in a helium balloon and call the media****
Stop giving them ideas;) LOL!!!
(or floating 72 virgin turkeys up in a balloon and dropping them on MSNBC’s parking lot)!!!!
Democracy, liberty, individual rights and respect for individuals can never partner up with Islam, and we are foolish for thinking otherwise. Islam is what it is, and not what we would like to pretend it is.
“I summon my blue-eyed slaves anytime it pleases me. I command the Americans to send me their bravest soldiers to die for me. Anytime I clap my hands a stupid genie called the American ambassador appears to do my bidding. When the Americans die in my service their bodies are frozen in metal boxes by the US Embassy and American airplanes carry them away, as if they never existed. Truly, America is my favorite slave.”
King Fahd Bin Abdul-Aziz, Jeddeh 1993
Agreed. Can you imagine if Bush had stepped in and forbid all media from publishing the Abu Ghaib abuse pictures? Of course it would have been pointless because a place like WikiLeaks would have published them anyway but Buchanan and his MSNBC buddies would have choked on their own spittle condemning Bush (again).
Possibly the worst thing to come out of this circus is that Westboro “Baptist” Church has allied with Dove World and says they will be burning Qurans too. The last thing in the world I would want as an image of America is Westboro BC. As much as I might agree about the dangers of Islam, these guys need to knock it off. They are going to get Americans killed. This is not the way we fight the war.
Because at first the story fit the template of the Islamophic southern Christian yahoo and it was a convenient way to shame the majority of people into accepting the liberal perspective on the near Ground Zero mosque. Then the story got away from them and was over-hyped into some sort of silly international crisis.
this whole event confirms two things
muslims are evil (yeah Of course there’s “some good ones” good luck trying to find them though)
and americans are stupid enough to let muslims threatening violence trump constitutional rights
I always try to remain optimistic about america’s survivial, but during the last few days the country has done more to flush itself down the toilet than I have seen in a long time.
Yes, after everything the left has done and/or applauded that would truly put the the troops and other Americans in harm’s way, NOW they are concerned, about a pastor with a congregation of app 50 who wants to burn a few Korans? Where was all their concern when The Slimes published, when they wanted to release photos, etc? That train has been rolling full-speed, NOW they want to slam the brakes on over THIS action-because it’s the Muslims who will be “offended”. So this country dances to whatever tune Muslims play.
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