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Twelve U.S. soldiers face trial after Afghan civilians 'were killed for sport....'
www.dailymail.co.uk ^ | Last updated at 8:43 AM on 10th September 2010

Posted on 09/10/2010 11:53:13 AM PDT by jagusafr

12 US Soldiers are facing trial in the deaths of Afghan civilians - being described as cold-blooded murder.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghan; army; civilians; murder
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Anybody got more info on this? I'm suspicious of all stories like this, but hadn't heard anything about this particular one.

Colonel, USAFR

1 posted on 09/10/2010 11:53:18 AM PDT by jagusafr
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To: jagusafr

It was reported in the Army times...not sure when. Looks legit...hope they fry ‘em if it’s true. Like we don’t have enough to work through....idiots.


2 posted on 09/10/2010 11:56:12 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: jagusafr

I can’t get the link to work. I see the Daily Mail logo, but there’s no article.


3 posted on 09/10/2010 11:57:10 AM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: jagusafr

Are they gay?


4 posted on 09/10/2010 11:57:39 AM PDT by donna (Synonyms: Feminism, Marxism, Communism, Socialism, Fascism, Islam-ism)
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To: jagusafr

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/travelnews/article-1310540/Twelve-US-soldiers-face-trial-Afghan-civilians-killed-sport—whistle-blower-originally-ignored.html


5 posted on 09/10/2010 12:01:09 PM PDT by Gabrial (The Whitehouse Nightmare will continue as long as the Nightmare is in the Whitehouse)
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To: jagusafr

I’m dubious. It sounds more to me like one of the soldiers in the unit wants to paint himself as a hero for reporting atrocities.

Could be true though. If so, those men should be punished with all due severity.


6 posted on 09/10/2010 12:03:58 PM PDT by mojito
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To: jagusafr
Allied forces bombed over 1,500 French towns in WWII, killing over 67,000 French civilians between Jan 1940 and May 1945. Not one U.S. airman faced charges in those deaths.

So boo freakin' hoo to the handful of Afghan savages we killed. Who gives a crap. (At least with France we were saving one of the world's great culture. WTF are we saving in Afghanistan?)

7 posted on 09/10/2010 12:04:20 PM PDT by montag813 (http://www.facebook.com/StandWithArizona)
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To: jagusafr
Anybody got more info on this? I'm suspicious of all stories like this, but hadn't heard anything about this particular one.

Once something like this hits the muzzie world, it takes on a life of it's own, regardless of it's veracity. See, they want to believe it's true, they want to think the worst of us as it gives them (in their tiny, hate filled minds) more justification to commit acts of terror. Remember the rumors coming from Abu Graib (sp?) about guards flushing the Qu'ran down the toilet? It wasn't true, but it sparked rage and violence all over the middle east.

8 posted on 09/10/2010 12:05:08 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: jagusafr

Yeah, well I’ll take this with a grain of salt and five years to sort it all out with.

These reports are generally worth about as much used toilet paper, and are about one thousand to one as likely to contain pretty much the same thing.


9 posted on 09/10/2010 12:05:50 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (All hail Prince Skid-mark, Barack Hussein Obama, constantly soiling himself and our nation.)
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To: jagusafr

http://www.kxlh.com/news/montana-soldier-implicated-in-afghan-civilian-deaths/


10 posted on 09/10/2010 12:06:30 PM PDT by Gabrial (The Whitehouse Nightmare will continue as long as the Nightmare is in the Whitehouse)
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To: jagusafr

Check the post from the Guardian:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2585816/posts


11 posted on 09/10/2010 12:08:35 PM PDT by Cardhu
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To: montag813
"Allied forces bombed over 1,500 French towns in WWII, killing over 67,000 French civilians between Jan 1940 and May 1945. Not one U.S. airman faced charges in those deaths."

Apples, meet oranges. We aren't talking about collateral damage casualties. We're talking about the intentional targeting and murdering of individual civilians.

During WWII, over 130 US service members were tried, convicted and HANGED UNTIL DEATH for capital crimes against civilians, including rape and MURDER. It happened.

12 posted on 09/10/2010 12:08:56 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: jagusafr
One other thing: if this story had validity, you'd think it would be splashed all over the NYT, CNN, WaPo, Huffpo and the rest of the liberal media, just like Abu Gharib and the Koran in the Guantanomo toilet.

The fact that it isn't makes me think that the sources stink, and they don't want to get burned playing up massacres that didn't happen.

13 posted on 09/10/2010 12:10:28 PM PDT by mojito
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To: mojito

We’ve seen journalists who are willing to provoke a riot (throwing rocks at cops from within a crowd) to “report” on the angry mob.

We’ve seen members of the US military who are willing to steal tens of thousands of classified government documents and publish them in full view of the enemy.

We’ve seen members of the US military who are willing to throw grenades at their officers and gun down soldiers and their wives on base in the name of Islam.

We’ve seen members of the “insurgency” dress up as members of the US military to gun down members of the military and civilians.

When there are reports of “US soldiers” attacking civilians, I am left to wonder, were they really members of the US military and if they were, could they have been turncoats who act out to tank the military mission (not just a “soldier gone wild” but a genuine fifth columnist hellbent on taking the troops down from within).

Recall that the Abu Ghraib photos were leaked to the press by one of the men who was being prosecuted. He wanted a “plea bargain” and endangered our troops when he didn’t get his way. Could troops have been led to commit those attrocities by one who was not fully alligned to the US cause?


14 posted on 09/10/2010 12:11:28 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack attended the church of GD America for 20 years. He has NO room to speak out on religion.)
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To: jagusafr

Here are some of the charge sheets. It doesn’t look good. Plus, I read another story (I’ll look for it) that claims one of the soldiers that was charged told his father about the problems several months earlier, and his father made contact with the Army stateside but didn’t get anywhere.

http://media.thenewstribune.com/smedia/2010/09/09/09/Strykers_-_Charging_Documents.source.prod_affiliate.5.pdf


15 posted on 09/10/2010 12:13:28 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: ExSoldier
Once something like this hits the muzzie world, it takes on a life of it's own, regardless of it's veracity. See, they want to believe it's true, they want to think the worst of us as it gives them (in their tiny, hate filled minds) more justification to commit acts of terror.

There was some leftwing radical who wrote that Americans were "raping" these nations (in a metaphorical sense) but the translation they read (and repeated) were "actual" rapes. The writer (I think a female college professor if I recall properly) did not feel any guilt over her actions.

16 posted on 09/10/2010 12:13:28 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack attended the church of GD America for 20 years. He has NO room to speak out on religion.)
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To: jagusafr

Here’s the other story...

http://www.military.com/news/article/army-warned-of-murder-plot-gis-father-says.html


18 posted on 09/10/2010 12:14:25 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: montag813
In September,2001, we should have leveled something in the Middle East. At this point, I say pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq. We should say, “we have tried to help 2 of your countries build Democracies. We spent OUR BLOOD to do this,
we are leaving now, if you want to kill each other, be out guest. IF YOU ATTACK US AGAIN, YOUR SOMETHING IN YOUR AREA IS GOWING TO GLOW! We have played at war in a Leftist way for 9 years! Time to Cowboy up!
19 posted on 09/10/2010 12:14:49 PM PDT by cowboyusa
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To: mastervisa
"You have to kill people and destroy their stuff or just get the hell OUT!!"

You must have missed that part where I described the 130+ US service members who were hanged until death for capital crimes against civilians, huh?

America expects it's armed forces to behave in a professional manner and in keeping with the western rules of war to include the UCMJ. It's not complicated.

20 posted on 09/10/2010 12:16:43 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: montag813
WTF are we saving in Afghanistan?

Opium.

21 posted on 09/10/2010 12:18:02 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: cowboyusa

It would be better to go after the lefties. The world would be a much better place without them


22 posted on 09/10/2010 12:18:30 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Greetings Jacques. The revolution is coming)
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To: montag813
So boo freakin' hoo to the handful of Afghan savages we killed. Who gives a crap.

Congrats on clinching the FR Imbecile of the Year award - and you did it with only one sentence.

While you're probably getting fat running your mouth, some actually have to deal with the extremely volatile situation in the sandbox. Having evil-clowns running around executing innocent locals (if the story is actually true) unnecessarily makes all of our lives vastly more difficult.

Why don't you just sit down and STFU?

23 posted on 09/10/2010 12:18:32 PM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: cowboyusa

Yes, I was saying this after 9/aa and was called all kinds of names for saying it. If we had done that, we would be discussing very little of the appeasement-based nonsense that passes for foriegn policy these days. And who know, perhaps England would still exist as a free nation today.


24 posted on 09/10/2010 12:19:18 PM PDT by cld51860
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To: OldDeckHand
During WWII, over 130 US service members were tried, convicted and HANGED UNTIL DEATH for capital crimes against civilians

I guess some of them got a reprieve. ;)

25 posted on 09/10/2010 12:19:22 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: montag813

Nearly 100,000 German citizens were killed in the fire bombing of Dresden. Today if a pilot lets a bomb go at the wrong time, he is charged with murder.

I have a feeling that the “innocent Afghans” were FAR from innocent.


26 posted on 09/10/2010 12:31:14 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: cowboyusa

Agreed... If I had my way on 9-12 there would have been a lot more glass in the middle east.


27 posted on 09/10/2010 12:37:23 PM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: bert

That’s started as well. It’s time for Cowboys vs. Islamists and Cowboys vs. Commies.


28 posted on 09/10/2010 12:37:47 PM PDT by cowboyusa
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To: jagusafr

If this happened as described, these “soldiers” are scum.


29 posted on 09/10/2010 12:44:38 PM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: jagusafr

Funny that the press was all over the Haditha sham but is ignoring this. Protecting Obama?


30 posted on 09/10/2010 12:49:32 PM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: mojito
Only after Obama and the Clintons are executed for infanticide.

Lets not be so quick to believe the worst.

32 posted on 09/10/2010 1:01:35 PM PDT by Friendofgeorge (Sarah Palin or Bust)
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To: Friendofgeorge
I meant to add Jimmy Carter to the list, he is also guilty of infanticide, we are up to around 60 million I believe. Anybody that voted Democrat over those many years are accomplices to the crime.

Yes I realize there are bad Republicans that are also fine with infanticide, but as luck would have it for them, if they never voted Democrat then they catch a break.

33 posted on 09/10/2010 1:08:04 PM PDT by Friendofgeorge (Sarah Palin or Bust)
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To: ExSoldier
I do not like to see these things being committed by US troops. These guys are going to have enough to live with after the war now they will start feeling guilty about these atrocities and carry it around with em for the rest of their lives.

Having said that, i do not give a rats ass for any of these Afghans because I know if our guys fall into their hands they can will get far worse, only they won't be dead when it is done to them.

34 posted on 09/10/2010 1:08:07 PM PDT by Americanexpat
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To: mastervisa
"I hear we have a military medal for the soldier who shows the greatest RESTRAINT in battle? Is that true? Tell me that is not true!!!"

It's not true. Such an idea was floated by one Stanley McChrystal. We know how that story ends.

35 posted on 09/10/2010 1:08:49 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: Friendofgeorge
Lets not be so quick to believe the worst.

I said I was dubious. That means I don't believe the story. Why are you scolding me like I was some ignorant child, or worse, some leftist?

36 posted on 09/10/2010 1:10:37 PM PDT by mojito
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To: stinkerpot65
"Funny that the press was all over the Haditha sham but is ignoring this. Protecting Obama?"

I was thinking the EXACT same thing. Not a peep on this in the MSM.

37 posted on 09/10/2010 1:11:27 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: ExSoldier

You’re close, but I think it was Guantanamo Bay Prison where it happened.


38 posted on 09/10/2010 1:14:56 PM PDT by dsutah
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To: jagusafr

I am too. It’s a bunch of sick BS.


39 posted on 09/10/2010 1:18:39 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Americanexpat
"Having said that, i do not give a rats ass for any of these Afghans because I know if our guys fall into their hands they can will get far worse, only they won't be dead when it is done to them. "

Not true, at all. If our guys fall into the wrong hands, they're toast. But, we have had soldiers be wounded and separated from their units and be cared for and defended by tribal villages from the Taliban.

Their is a Pashtun code of conduct that predates Christ, called "Lokhay Warkawa. It says in part that travelers (to include warriors) who are seeking aid and shelter, must be given aid and shelter. Tribal Afghans have fought to the death protecting wounded coaltion forces, because that is the code they live by.

You should read a book by Marcus Luttrell called Lone Survivor: The Eyewitness Account of Operation Redwing and the Lost Heroes of SEAL Team 10. It's fabulous, and explains in great detail why Luttrell is alive today - Lokhay Warkawa.

40 posted on 09/10/2010 1:20:22 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: montag813
So boo freakin' hoo to the handful of Afghan savages we killed. Who gives a crap.

There are many Freepers who are current and former members of the Armed Forces. I have seen a lot of them post in these threads, that they DO care, and would like to see justice meted out in these cases.

42 posted on 09/10/2010 1:30:34 PM PDT by Paradox (Socialism - trickle up poverty.)
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Forgive me Please, I clicked on the last person that posted at the time...I should have gone back to the top and posted to the author....Very sorry!!! It was accidental!

Was posting my opinion to all that were quick to believe the worst, that was my intention, I am very sorry I clicked on yours by mistake, was really a mistake :) You should be upset!

43 posted on 09/10/2010 1:45:44 PM PDT by Friendofgeorge (Sarah Palin or Bust)
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To: cowboyusa

Sweet! We’re ALLL Quran burners now.


44 posted on 09/10/2010 1:47:45 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: Paradox
Agreed, but they never should have had their hands tied in the first place. For 60 years now, we have been fighting Liberal don't go all the way wars. You fight a war to win.
In the end it saves enemy lives as well, because the war doesn't drag on. In my own opinion, this is one of the things that a restored America will get back to.
45 posted on 09/10/2010 1:55:18 PM PDT by cowboyusa
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To: jagusafr
Well there is this
6/19/10
Pfc. Andrew Holmes of Boise will remain in U.S. Army custody for at least the immediate future, his family said in a release Saturday.

Holmes is charged with murdering an Afghan civilian near the base where he was stationed in Afghanistan’s Kandahar Province. He’s accused of throwing a grenade and shooting the civilian.

A magistrate ruled Holmes will remain in custody until his Article 32 hearing, the military equivalent of a grand jury

More HERE

I checked to see if any of our JBER guys had any charges pending, found none...

46 posted on 09/10/2010 1:59:10 PM PDT by ASOC (What will you do when Mexicio becomes OUR Chechnya?)
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To: Friendofgeorge
No worries, my FRiend!
47 posted on 09/10/2010 2:32:13 PM PDT by mojito
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To: mastervisa; Chieftain; onyx

I so agree...

Its called “YOU SURRENDER. I WIN.”....ON the streets its”Say Uncle.” In war, the generals and head honchos accept the DEFEATED enemies SIGNATURE ON SURRENDER PAPERS...Full court Press.

And the winners Occupy defeated territory till we have it up and running in decent form.

I am really doubting this whole insurrgency deal...Even in VN if we hadn’t had our hands tied, it would have been a WWII redo. then we wouldn’t have had to “figure out and create another way to wage war without any winners and losers.”


48 posted on 09/10/2010 2:46:44 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie ( Ok, Joke's over....Bring back Bush !)
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To: mastervisa
IT IS TIME TO LEAVE. !! In war you kill people— Dresden was fire bombed — 300.000 men women and children — 50,000 in okinawa— 70,000 in nagisaki— 50k in Hiroshima. You have to kill people and destroy their stuff or just get the hell OUT!!

This comment willfully misunderstands the problem. In World War II, we were fighting the extant armed forces of a nation state in control of vast swaths of territory. The nation-state in question (Germany or Japan) was the explicit target to wear down its resources for the express purpose of defeating its armed forces.

It's an entirely different proposition when you occupy a country that is headed by a government you installed, are propping up, or otherwise facilitating restoration of. Your target is no longer the nation-state and its armed forces, which in fact are your allies to some degree or another. You don't get to just go on indiscriminate, mass killing sprees unless you're willing to admit that, yes, we are the Nazis.

I fought in one of those kind of wars. We weren't the SS then, we're not the SS now, and that's because the majority of us understand basic moral ethics, even in a war zone.

Now if your proposition is that you disagree with getting embroiled in guerrilla wars in the first place, that at least has intellectual coherence. Guerrilla wars are messy by definition, and invariably put more difficult behavioral constraints on the troops engaged.

49 posted on 09/10/2010 2:49:23 PM PDT by tired_old_conservative
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To: mojito
"One other thing: if this story had validity, you'd think it would be splashed all over the NYT, CNN, WaPo, Huffpo and the rest of the liberal media, just like Abu Gharib and the Koran in the Guantanomo toilet."

These events are alleged to have happened just this past spring - on Obama's watch. I suspect that is the reason the MSM is running silent, running deep. Can't embarrass Obama, can we?

50 posted on 09/10/2010 3:19:02 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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