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Posted on 09/10/2010 11:53:13 AM PDT by jagusafr
12 US Soldiers are facing trial in the deaths of Afghan civilians - being described as cold-blooded murder.
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It was reported in the Army times...not sure when. Looks legit...hope they fry ‘em if it’s true. Like we don’t have enough to work through....idiots.
I can’t get the link to work. I see the Daily Mail logo, but there’s no article.
Are they gay?
I’m dubious. It sounds more to me like one of the soldiers in the unit wants to paint himself as a hero for reporting atrocities.
Could be true though. If so, those men should be punished with all due severity.
So boo freakin' hoo to the handful of Afghan savages we killed. Who gives a crap. (At least with France we were saving one of the world's great culture. WTF are we saving in Afghanistan?)
Once something like this hits the muzzie world, it takes on a life of it's own, regardless of it's veracity. See, they want to believe it's true, they want to think the worst of us as it gives them (in their tiny, hate filled minds) more justification to commit acts of terror. Remember the rumors coming from Abu Graib (sp?) about guards flushing the Qu'ran down the toilet? It wasn't true, but it sparked rage and violence all over the middle east.
Yeah, well I’ll take this with a grain of salt and five years to sort it all out with.
These reports are generally worth about as much used toilet paper, and are about one thousand to one as likely to contain pretty much the same thing.
Check the post from the Guardian:
Apples, meet oranges. We aren't talking about collateral damage casualties. We're talking about the intentional targeting and murdering of individual civilians.
During WWII, over 130 US service members were tried, convicted and HANGED UNTIL DEATH for capital crimes against civilians, including rape and MURDER. It happened.
The fact that it isn't makes me think that the sources stink, and they don't want to get burned playing up massacres that didn't happen.
We’ve seen journalists who are willing to provoke a riot (throwing rocks at cops from within a crowd) to “report” on the angry mob.
We’ve seen members of the US military who are willing to steal tens of thousands of classified government documents and publish them in full view of the enemy.
We’ve seen members of the US military who are willing to throw grenades at their officers and gun down soldiers and their wives on base in the name of Islam.
We’ve seen members of the “insurgency” dress up as members of the US military to gun down members of the military and civilians.
When there are reports of “US soldiers” attacking civilians, I am left to wonder, were they really members of the US military and if they were, could they have been turncoats who act out to tank the military mission (not just a “soldier gone wild” but a genuine fifth columnist hellbent on taking the troops down from within).
Recall that the Abu Ghraib photos were leaked to the press by one of the men who was being prosecuted. He wanted a “plea bargain” and endangered our troops when he didn’t get his way. Could troops have been led to commit those attrocities by one who was not fully alligned to the US cause?
Here are some of the charge sheets. It doesn’t look good. Plus, I read another story (I’ll look for it) that claims one of the soldiers that was charged told his father about the problems several months earlier, and his father made contact with the Army stateside but didn’t get anywhere.
There was some leftwing radical who wrote that Americans were "raping" these nations (in a metaphorical sense) but the translation they read (and repeated) were "actual" rapes. The writer (I think a female college professor if I recall properly) did not feel any guilt over her actions.
Here’s the other story...
You must have missed that part where I described the 130+ US service members who were hanged until death for capital crimes against civilians, huh?
America expects it's armed forces to behave in a professional manner and in keeping with the western rules of war to include the UCMJ. It's not complicated.
It would be better to go after the lefties. The world would be a much better place without them
Congrats on clinching the FR Imbecile of the Year award - and you did it with only one sentence.
While you're probably getting fat running your mouth, some actually have to deal with the extremely volatile situation in the sandbox. Having evil-clowns running around executing innocent locals (if the story is actually true) unnecessarily makes all of our lives vastly more difficult.
Why don't you just sit down and STFU?
Yes, I was saying this after 9/aa and was called all kinds of names for saying it. If we had done that, we would be discussing very little of the appeasement-based nonsense that passes for foriegn policy these days. And who know, perhaps England would still exist as a free nation today.
I guess some of them got a reprieve. ;)
Nearly 100,000 German citizens were killed in the fire bombing of Dresden. Today if a pilot lets a bomb go at the wrong time, he is charged with murder.
I have a feeling that the “innocent Afghans” were FAR from innocent.
Agreed... If I had my way on 9-12 there would have been a lot more glass in the middle east.
That’s started as well. It’s time for Cowboys vs. Islamists and Cowboys vs. Commies.
If this happened as described, these “soldiers” are scum.
Funny that the press was all over the Haditha sham but is ignoring this. Protecting Obama?
Lets not be so quick to believe the worst.
Yes I realize there are bad Republicans that are also fine with infanticide, but as luck would have it for them, if they never voted Democrat then they catch a break.
Having said that, i do not give a rats ass for any of these Afghans because I know if our guys fall into their hands they can will get far worse, only they won't be dead when it is done to them.
It's not true. Such an idea was floated by one Stanley McChrystal. We know how that story ends.
I said I was dubious. That means I don't believe the story. Why are you scolding me like I was some ignorant child, or worse, some leftist?
I was thinking the EXACT same thing. Not a peep on this in the MSM.
You’re close, but I think it was Guantanamo Bay Prison where it happened.
I am too. It’s a bunch of sick BS.
Not true, at all. If our guys fall into the wrong hands, they're toast. But, we have had soldiers be wounded and separated from their units and be cared for and defended by tribal villages from the Taliban.
Their is a Pashtun code of conduct that predates Christ, called "Lokhay Warkawa. It says in part that travelers (to include warriors) who are seeking aid and shelter, must be given aid and shelter. Tribal Afghans have fought to the death protecting wounded coaltion forces, because that is the code they live by.
You should read a book by Marcus Luttrell called Lone Survivor: The Eyewitness Account of Operation Redwing and the Lost Heroes of SEAL Team 10. It's fabulous, and explains in great detail why Luttrell is alive today - Lokhay Warkawa.
There are many Freepers who are current and former members of the Armed Forces. I have seen a lot of them post in these threads, that they DO care, and would like to see justice meted out in these cases.
Was posting my opinion to all that were quick to believe the worst, that was my intention, I am very sorry I clicked on yours by mistake, was really a mistake :) You should be upset!
Sweet! We’re ALLL Quran burners now.
Holmes is charged with murdering an Afghan civilian near the base where he was stationed in Afghanistans Kandahar Province. Hes accused of throwing a grenade and shooting the civilian.
A magistrate ruled Holmes will remain in custody until his Article 32 hearing, the military equivalent of a grand jury
I checked to see if any of our JBER guys had any charges pending, found none...
I so agree...
Its called “YOU SURRENDER. I WIN.”....ON the streets its”Say Uncle.” In war, the generals and head honchos accept the DEFEATED enemies SIGNATURE ON SURRENDER PAPERS...Full court Press.
And the winners Occupy defeated territory till we have it up and running in decent form.
I am really doubting this whole insurrgency deal...Even in VN if we hadn’t had our hands tied, it would have been a WWII redo. then we wouldn’t have had to “figure out and create another way to wage war without any winners and losers.”
This comment willfully misunderstands the problem. In World War II, we were fighting the extant armed forces of a nation state in control of vast swaths of territory. The nation-state in question (Germany or Japan) was the explicit target to wear down its resources for the express purpose of defeating its armed forces.
It's an entirely different proposition when you occupy a country that is headed by a government you installed, are propping up, or otherwise facilitating restoration of. Your target is no longer the nation-state and its armed forces, which in fact are your allies to some degree or another. You don't get to just go on indiscriminate, mass killing sprees unless you're willing to admit that, yes, we are the Nazis.
I fought in one of those kind of wars. We weren't the SS then, we're not the SS now, and that's because the majority of us understand basic moral ethics, even in a war zone.
Now if your proposition is that you disagree with getting embroiled in guerrilla wars in the first place, that at least has intellectual coherence. Guerrilla wars are messy by definition, and invariably put more difficult behavioral constraints on the troops engaged.
These events are alleged to have happened just this past spring - on Obama's watch. I suspect that is the reason the MSM is running silent, running deep. Can't embarrass Obama, can we?