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Gunned Down in Vegas: What Really Happened to Erik Scott?
Pajamas Media ^ | September 16, 2010 | Bob Owens

Posted on 09/17/2010 8:33:36 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: UCANSEE2
"...he police are noted for ‘getting their man’"

What, you don't like the guy? Ok, we'll get another one....

61 posted on 09/17/2010 9:28:31 AM PDT by Leisler ("Over time they create a legal system that plunders and a moral code that glorifies it." F. Bastiat)
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To: Kaslin

They wil whitewash it. The coverup is already in the works. Now if he had been Black, or even better, a Black drug dealer........


62 posted on 09/17/2010 9:28:43 AM PDT by sport
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To: Deaf Smith
A previous thread revealed that Costco has a backup Off Site recording of all store vids to a central location.

However, their 'equipment' was having technological difficulties at the same time as the LV store's equipment.

Someone dropped the CD into a toaster by mistake.

63 posted on 09/17/2010 9:31:06 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Kaslin

If police officers were pointing their weapons at me and I was under a CC permit I would comply EXACTLY to their commands. I wouldn’t move an extra muscle, I sure wouldn’t make ANY move towards my weapon. It seems like the only question here is did he make a gesture to his waist after being told not to.


64 posted on 09/17/2010 9:31:47 AM PDT by databoss
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To: Leisler
I’ve seen plenty of video arrests where one jacked up officer is yelling ‘put your hands up’, another is yelling ‘Don’t move’ and a third is yelling ‘ get down, get down’, while the first officer who yelled ‘get your hands up’ is getting mad because the subject is sort of hands up, down, not moving, getting down, not getting down.

It is obvious that they don't communicate with each other, but I don't think it happens only in the police department, it happens in civilian jobs too

65 posted on 09/17/2010 9:32:19 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Deaf Smith

I don’t know about that. Figure a store must have 50 or more cameras. That’s a lot of bandwidth, way more than standard cable, maybe need a T-1 line. A more affordable is on sight back up hard drives. ( They’re cheap )


66 posted on 09/17/2010 9:33:42 AM PDT by Leisler ("Over time they create a legal system that plunders and a moral code that glorifies it." F. Bastiat)
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To: Kaslin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgecY8oAkwU


67 posted on 09/17/2010 9:33:48 AM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: Domandred
the internal Costco security cameras that would have shown what Erik was really doing and acting were “glitched”.

Does 'glitched' mean the same as putting the CD into a toaster?

68 posted on 09/17/2010 9:33:58 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2

The 12 will be the only ones called to testify. And the headline will read:”100% of witnesses agree on the police version.”


69 posted on 09/17/2010 9:34:57 AM PDT by sport
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To: paul51

I went to Vegas with some friends seven or eight years ago. All of them are very accomplished, responsible guys in thier forties. Several of them had an encounter with the Las Vegas PD. Although I was not with them at the time, I am told that the officers were irrational, aggressive, rude, direspectful, and hostile. My heart weeps for the young man victimized by the Las Vegas PD. I hope the lawsuit which will surely follow results in an adeqautely large award against the City of Las Vegas that it will motivate the city to control its officers.


70 posted on 09/17/2010 9:36:25 AM PDT by p. henry
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

Well then, it seems the director of the Internal Affairs Department of Las Vegas is doing his job by NOT doing his job.

Would be an amusing assesment of job performance. Zero officer prosecutions in 20 years. Great job!


71 posted on 09/17/2010 9:36:48 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: paul51; Domandred
you don’t know what the employee said

But COSTCO and the LVPD know what she said. Which is exactly why we will never hear it.

Had something she said been beneficial to the police shooting, you can bet it would have been broadcast that day.

72 posted on 09/17/2010 9:36:59 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (lame and ill-informed post)
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To: databoss

it’s hard to comply when you are getting conflicting commands. I do agree the best thing to do is keep your hands clear and slowly get to the ground. incredibly, in this case, they shot the gut 4 or 5 times (in the back) as he lay on the ground so it’s hard to say if that would have helped him. For me, based on what has come out, it’s impossible to justify this shooting


73 posted on 09/17/2010 9:38:02 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: UCANSEE2

my thoughts also. They should have tapes of the 911 call by security/costgo. i am suspicious why they have not been released if they would collaborate what was dispatched and broadcast.


74 posted on 09/17/2010 9:40:28 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: mmercier
i have two cousins whom graduated wp.something went real bad.

Of course something went really bad.A guy's dead.

in my experience these men and women never exhibit erratic behaviour.

During my stellar Army career (cough,cough) I,to the best of my knowledge,encountered few (if any) West Point grads.My guess is that most of the officers I encountered were ROTC or OCS...so I can't speak from first hand experience.But my philosophy is "never say never".I can absolutely accept that graduates of West Point,the Naval Academy and the Air Force Academy very,*very* rarely exhibit erratic behavior but there have *got* to be at least a few such grads who develop a serious psychiatric problem or a drug or alcohol problem,etc.

I'm *not* saying that that's the case here...but it's gotta happen at least once in a while.

Just sayin'....

75 posted on 09/17/2010 9:40:33 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (''I don't regret setting bombs,I feel we didn't do enough.'' ->Bill Ayers,Hussein's mentor,9/11/01)
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To: Leisler; DJ MacWoW; UCANSEE2

“Costco will give our attorney, Ross Goodman, an unaltered copy of the appropriate Summerlin-store surveillance-video recorded on July 10th. We know another copy exists, archived offsite, per Costco’s insurance requirements. And METRO’s Sheriff Gillespie will release the 911-call audio tape, at least to Ross Goodman, if not to the Las Vegas media.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2579595/posts


76 posted on 09/17/2010 9:44:36 AM PDT by Deaf Smith (I spent all my money on women & booze, the other rest was just plain blown.)
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To: Kaslin

Well, it isn’t so much between them as is the person being arrested. Figure in the space of one to two seconds, you might have four or five conflicting commands yelled at you by red faced, high pulsed, gun pointing in combat stance LEO’s. So you move spastic...as in...not obeying commands. Each officer is CONDITIONED that you will obey HIS order. So, in this case, you have three, ready to shoot officers each of which is processing/reacting to you not immediately obeying HIS order, which means you must be doing something else, have not placed yourself under arrest. By then it’s a matter of mili-seconds before you are shot. Once the first shot is fired, the others will reflexively fire until you are in a prone position.

The officers will expect the system to back them up, and the system will expect the officers to back up the system’s training. Circle close. Loop closed. Systems check A.O.K. Call Hazmat contractor for bleach wash-down. Everyone, RTD.


77 posted on 09/17/2010 9:46:36 AM PDT by Leisler ("Over time they create a legal system that plunders and a moral code that glorifies it." F. Bastiat)
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To: Kaslin

bttt


78 posted on 09/17/2010 9:49:02 AM PDT by dennisw (-He who will not economize will have to agonize----- Confucius)
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To: databoss
If police officers were pointing their weapons at me and I was under a CC permit I would comply EXACTLY to their commands

Gun is in your holster, not in your hand...

Officer #1: GET ON THE GROUND! Officer #2: DROP YOUR WEAPON! Officer #3: KEEP YOUR HANDS UP!

Which do you do?

Get on the ground? Officer #2 and #3 shoot you because to get on the ground you lowered your hands a bit for balance or to place them on the ground. Officer #1, who you were complying with, shoots you because Officers #2 and 3 shot you.

Drop your weapon? Officer #1 shoots you because you aren't getting on the ground. Officer #3 shoots you because you went to unbuckle your belt to drop your weapon. Officer #2 shoots you because #1 and #3 did.

Put your hands up? Officer #2 shoots you because you didn't drop your gun, instead as your hands go up he thinks you are going to pull your weapon. Officer #1 shoots you because you aren't dropping your weapon. Officer #3 shoots you because #1 and #2 shot you.

So how did that work out for you...or Erik Scott?

79 posted on 09/17/2010 9:49:44 AM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: Kaslin

I can’t see how this was anything but state sanctioned murder.

What is going on with cops? Have they lost their minds, are they being trained to use unrealistic force? It seems all they know how to do is to attempt to dominate the scene and intimidate the public... no matter who you are. They are aggressive at all times no matter the situation.

They are everywhere on the highways and streets and yet seem to only have time for traffic stops / revenue generation. On a trip back from the airport last night my radar detector was almost constantly buzzing.


80 posted on 09/17/2010 9:50:25 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half of the population is below average)
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