Republicans block bill to lift military gay ban

Associated Press ^ | September 21, 2010 | ANNE FLAHERTY, Associated Press Writer Anne Flaherty, Associated Press Writer

[DoughtyOne]

You really do think this is Republicans against Democrats don't you.  You have spent your adult life thinking that if only we could get a majority of Republicans in positions of power, we would be marching off to the promised land.  Well a number of us went through that phase too.  At one point or another we awoke to a stark reality.  This nation continues to lurch toward the Left whether the Democrats or the Republicans are in power.  Ask yourself, has the nation moved considerably to the Left since Reagan?  I don't think there is a possibility you can say that it hasn't, if you're an honest person.

We have had the Republicans in power for 12 of those 22 years.  We had the Republicans in the majority position in the House and the Senate for 12 of those 22 years.  Our Presidents were Republican for 12 of those 22 years.  That's actually more than half the time since Reagan.  Ask yourself how many government departments we disolved in those twelve years.  How many government funded mandates did we role back?  How many government funded liberal programs did we defund, eliminate, or even schedule to expire?  The answer to all these questions is, none.

To my consternation, during the Bush Presidency our party leaders implemented Medicare Part D.  Bush doubled the budget for the Department of Education in his first term.  He developed No Child Left Behind.  He increased our nation's debt accumulated since it's inception, by roughly 92% in this eight years in power.  He allowed the lending institutions to be continue to be forced to make household loans to people that couldn't service those loans.  He was aware of it, but he allowed the problem to fester until it nearly brought down our banking, real-estate, lending, and market industries.  When these problems finally hit the fan, he pushed through the $700 billion dollar TARP plan.  And before leaving office, he pushed through another $300 billion so Obama could hit the ground running.  So far we haven't mentioned that he allowed between 1 to 2.5 million illegal immigrants to flow across our borders every year he was president.  He failed to get the fence built.  And ultimately he watched as John McCain authored a bill with Ted Kennedy, that Bush had long sought to implement a Comprehensive Immigration Reform package.  If that bill had become law, we would have seen over 100 million new poor indigent people become citizens in under 20 years.  It was only dumb luck that saw these bills introduced and stalled too close to McCain's intended run for office, for him to stick with it and push it through.  On top of this, Bush negotiated with Saudi Arabia to increase it's student visa program to 30,000 at any given time.  15 of the 19 09/11 hijackers were Saudi Students here on education visas.  In addition, we still allow people from terrorist states to immigrate to the United States.

All this was implemented by the Republicans.  It was Republican policy.  The response I get when I carp about this, is to state that the Democrats would have been worse.  While that is comforting, the fact of the matter is, we continue to implement Democrat policy for them.  They do not destroy big government programs for us.  They never have.  They never will.  And as long as we continue to implement new government programs for them, we don't retire departments or big government programs, and they don't either, our government continues to get ever more oppresive.

I oppose it when Democrats do it.  I oppose it when Republicans do it.  And for this you call me a Democrat and a supporter of Democrats.  And I have no doubt that actually makes sense to you.

The Republican party leadership does not like you or me.  We are happy that Christine O'Donnel won the primary.  Karl Rove and the Repubican leadership were very negative about her the night of the election.  Rove continued to bash her for at least one day after the election, and I believe it was two.  Rush spent a good portion of his program for two days running trashing the way Rove and the RNC had conducted themselves.

The party's leadership isn't just out of touch, they actually believe the party and the nation are best served by RINOs.  They wanted the RINO running against O'Donnel to win.  They wanted McCain to win.  Quite a cross section of the party office holders endorsed McCain.  Here is McCain's record.  http://www.hotr.us/mccain/mccainagain.html.  Does that look like the record of a Conservative?  Would you consider someone who would cast their support behind this guy to be a real Conservative?

McCain even takes the time to trash conservatives.  On several occasions he has blasted us for disagreeing with him.  He was furious when we demanded the fence be built.

I have come to the place where I can only support individual Republicans.  I cannot support the party any longer.  If a person is a Conservative, I'll vote for them.  If they are not, I won't.  I have never voted for a Democrat in my lifetime.  Not once.  I never will.

I'm very glad that Republicans blocked this Amnesty for illegals and I'm happy because Republican will trounce democrats/socialists on 11/02/10.

What Amnesty?  Was there some rider today that would have given some segment of illegals legal status?  If so, I'm glad it was struck down too.  Never the less, the 2008 presidential nominee for the Republican party had authored a full blown Comprehensive Immigration Reform bill with Ted Kennedy in 2007, and introduced it on the floor of the Senate.  He had to back down as the bill was delayed, and it got too late in the year 2007, for him to risk his presidential bid.  He had to abandon his own bill.

Sarah Palin wants us to grant legal status to every illegal alien that will register.  And if they do, they can get a green card to work.  And in a few years they'll be able to apply for residency.  And a few years after that they will be able to apply for citizenship.  So I'm rather perplexed why you would act as if the actions taken yesterday, are all that worthy of celebrating.  McCain will be introducing Comprehensive Immigration Reform again next year.  He'll have about seven Republican Senators in his pocket.  He'll have all the Democrats. He shouldn't have any problem at all getting it passed this time.

Once again, it will be Republicans defeating our will on this matter.

Your Democrats created almost all government agencies. Republican Congress did not.

The worst of the Democrat programs that have been implemented, were implemented with Republican help.  The Great Society programs of the 1960s were all passed with Republican help.  The Democrats didn't have the votes to get those programs passed without a number of Republicans signing on to vote for them too.  Once again, what government agencies can you list for me, that the Republicans have closed?  Can you think of even one?  I can't.

I Know Republicans stopped Amnesty today as Republicans did for the 12 years they controlled Congress.

McCain joined with Kennedy to introduce the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007.  He hasn't changed his mind.  He's going to push it again.  Palin wants to register illegals so they can remain here and work.  She doesn't plan on sending them home.  They will get a pathway to citizenship.  So all your talk about stopping amnesty is just that.  It's talk.  And you'll still be talking when they grant the illegal aliens in our nation today, legal residence status, and ultimately citizenship.  And you'll watch as they bring in another 80 million or so family members.

Also Republicans Stopped Government healthcare from Clinton, stopped global warming legislation, stopped tax increases from Clinton.

How effective have the Republicans been in preventing massive Democrat programs from being implemented?  Yes, the Republicans did stand up to Clinton fiscally.  And then one of our own became president and they completely caved as spending went through the roof.  Is government health care a reality today?  Yes.  Have the states, counties, and municipalities across this nation been implementing the Kyoto protocals?  Yes.

We did get tax cuts through under Bush.  With a clear Republican majority, we were only able to garner enough votes to make those tax cuts temporary.  With the majority, we should have been able to get those tax cuts made permanent.  Did we?  And how did those tax cuts become law in the Senate?  The vote was tied, and Dick Cheney had to cast his tie breaker vote to get them through.

The Republican's hearts just arn't in this stuff.  RINOs kill us.  They kill us from the leadership.  They kill us from the rank and file in Congress.  That's why I have discontinued voting for them, and have started trashing the Republican party leadership for it's non-support for Conservatism.  This O'Donnel situation is merely the latest in a long string of actions the leadership has done to make it plain they haven't a clue.

Republicans cut taxes in 2001 , 2003. 2 conservative justices on the Supreme Court, welfare Reform. Most of Contract with America etc.

Are you aware that until Recently the Republicans had nominated 7 of the 9 Supreme Court Justices?  At that we were barely able to eek out a favorable court ruling on important matters.  I am glad Bush eventually wound up lofting two good nominees, but his first nominee for one of those positions was woefully inadequate.  Only an open rebellion finally resulted in him chosing another person instead.

Yes, the Contract with America was a good thing.  And yes welfare reform was a good thing.  How many years are two good things supposed to suffice?

Whatever you think you are doing , you are just wasting your time. Democrats are going to be totally annihilated on 11/02/10 and that makes me very happy. what you and your group says doesn't matter at all.

My group, as you put it, exists as one person.  I come to this forum, read articles, and make comments about them.  If I see the comments of another person and feel moved to, I'll address those comments too.  There are other people here who agree with most of my positions.  All of them are hoping we can retake Congress.  None of them want to do it with a bunch of RINOs.  And to a person, they are frustrated that when the Tea Party folks and others work hard so a Conservative like O'Donnel can win, the Republican leadership acts as if it's a major catastrophe.

If you think that makes us Democrats or Democrat supporters, then I guess you think Rush is too.  He's been railing on Rove and Republican party leaders too.

I'm sure you think you and your little group are changing minds to help the democrats/socialists. But you are not.

McCain doesn't have a clue.  Palin is only a bit less clueless.  Rove hasn't got a clue.  Steele doesn't have a clue.  The RNC leadership doesn't have a clue.  The Republican party officials that railed on O'Donnel on the night of the election don't have a clue.  So you come here to defend the "Republicans" against me and my crew.  Har.  Who defends Conservatives from these people?

Democrats are going to be totally annihilated on 11/02/10 and that makes me very happy.

Well I hope you are right.  It certainly looks like it.  If we get 55 seats in the Senate though, guess what, we're going to be in serious trouble on some issues.

McCain, Graham, Brown, Collins, Snowe, Luger, Hagel, and a few others aren't solid.  They're RINOs.  And this is what trumps your name calling.

On any given issue, any combination of six of these people going across the isle, defeats us.  If we only get a 52 seat majority, good luck.

You see, you can call me all the names you want, but when you run out and blindly vote in RINOs, the Democrats win.  When the RNC trashes our Conservative candidates so that they can't get elected, the Democrats win.

We will never win by voting in Democrats in sheep's clothing, or listening to the Republican party leadership as it destroys good people, because they were not "their" people.

In January 2011, I hope we get enough solid people sworn in to actually do some heavy lifting.  If we don't, they new Congress will be a caretaker Congress until the Left can regain control and move the nation to the left faster than the Republicans will.

This majority has been a long time coming.  Without Obama being in the White House, we would have lost more seats this election.  As it is, we have a fighting chance.  If we can get enough sound Conservatives in Congress, we'll make some headway for the first time in 22 years.  If we don't get enough, it will be another 20 years before we get this chance again.  That's why I didn't want McCain anywhere near the Senate at this point in time.

So now the RNC is fired up at the prospect of McCain, and frustrated at the prospect of O'Donnel.

I'm tired of fighting the Republican leadership to get real change in this nation.  If they work behind the scenes to defate O'Donnel, what is that going to tell you?  Anything at all?

[davidosborne]

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[Democrat_media]

Not a single Republican Senator even the ones from the liberal states voted for this Amnesty for illegals.
But that’s still not good enough for many GOP haters,inlcuding you and your group.

Not a single Republican Senator voted for the democrats/socialists’ government healthcare either.

Democrats created almost all government agencies.

In 12 years that the Republicans controlled Congress they didn’t create any non national security agencies But they abolished hundreds of government programs.

Also for the 12 years that Republicans controlled Congress , Republicans stopped ANY Amnesty , ANY government Healthcare and all of these socialist bills the socialists AKA the democrats passed or want to pass.

85% of Republicans voted in previous years to stop Amnesty and other liberal bills. But that wasn’t good enough for GOP Haters and the liberal media. No the liberal media and their puppets repeatedly , obsessively focus on the 15% the RINOS to slander all Republicans. Now that 85% has gone up to 100% oh but that’s not good enough either. Who are they fooling : they are democrats , the ones bashing the GOP.

You are not fooling anyone .Democrats are destroying America .But all you do is spin and lie to slander all Repubilcans because you say this guy who calls himself a Republican did this or that.

I’d suupport anything that opposses democrats.Republicans are a great party.

You are a democrat.

[LomanBill]

Heh Heh. They ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

Wait till the RINOs have been herded from The Party(tm) and there’s a (real) conservative majority in both houses.

[ScottinVA]

The Republicans blocked the bill with only 40 Republicans voting — what a joke

Is there a roll call list anywhere? Not seeing it on CSPAN.com. Thanks in advance.

[ScottinVA]

McCain, Graham, Brown, Collins, Snowe, Luger, Hagel

Hagel?

[LomanBill]

>>We have had the Republicans in power for 12 of those 22 years.

No, we’ve had Mehlman/Rovesque “nudge nudge wink wink - specially related” RINOs in power for 12 of those 22 years.

The financial implosion was all the evidence required to see what a monumental FAILURE their subversive and demoralizing “tolerant” experiment is.

That game is OVER.

[Neoliberalnot]

The white trash perverts have failed to obtain their goal of full access to young men in showers. They best stick with their attempts to be boy scoutmasters.

[Githzerai]

The blocking of this bill had nothing to do with gays in the military. It had everything to do with the DREAM Act that Harry Reid also attached to this bill. The DREAM Act would have essentially given amnesty to all illegal aliens under the age of 35. If the DREAM Act had not been added to this bill, the bill would most likely have passed. But instead, this bill was created to make the Republicans look anti-gay, racist, sexist, whatever... right before an election. Playing politics as usual and not getting the job done.

On a side note the original “No Gays in Military” policy was implemented as an executive order by a President before Clinton ever even existed. If President Obama really wanted to change it, he could do it with the simple swipe of pen.

[DoughtyOne]

I’ll give it a look David. Thank you.

[DoughtyOne]

Not a single Republican Senator even the ones from the liberal states voted for this Amnesty for illegals.

Provide the bill number so I can take a look at this "Amnesty Bill".

But that’s still not good enough for many GOP haters,inlcuding you and your group.

Please provide a link to where I criticized one republican for their actions related to this bill.

Not a single Republican Senator voted for the democrats/socialists’ government healthcare either.

They didn't need to.  If they had needed to, some of them would have.

Democrats created almost all government agencies.

Yes, I know.  You said that yesterday.  You say a lot of things.  Not much of it makes sense in the overall scheme of things.

In 12 years that the Republicans controlled Congress they didn’t create any non national security agencies But they abolished hundreds of government programs.

The INS was one of them.  We now have ICE and another agency to replace it.  Big diff.  Nothing gets done today either.  As for the hundreds of agencies, feel free to name them all.  Are you under the impression we don't have welfare any longer?  You really do fall for this stuff don't you.

Also for the 12 years that Republicans controlled Congress , Republicans stopped ANY Amnesty , ANY government Healthcare and all of these socialist bills the socialists AKA the democrats passed or want to pass.

They also stopped some floods, hurricanes, earthquakes, fires, invasions of locusts, volcanos, the...  and you didn't give them credit for it.  What's up with that?  Some kind of Republican defender you are.

One broad amnesty was authored during those years.  Who co-authored that bill with Ted Kennedy?  His name appears on this thread.

What you didn't mention is that illegal immigrants are being transitioned to legal resident all the time.  We had nine million illegal aliens in country in 2000.  Today they say we have eleven million.  That would mean that about 200,000 had come over each year over the last ten years, or we have been doing something to make sure they don't remain illegal.  No one is claiming that the flow over the border has dropped to the 200,000 level, certainly not for the majority of those years.  So no, the Republicans didn't let an amnesty get passed.  I'm not aware one came to a vote.  Perhaps you could provide the bill number of the one that did come to the floor for a vote, so we can give the Republicans credit for voting against it.  What the Republicans did do, was facilitate normalization for illegals.  If we only have 11 or 12 million illegal aliens in the United States today, it reveals that somewhere in the neighborhood of 12 million (plus or minus 3-5 million) illegals have been transitioned to legal resident during the last ten years.

Do we have national health care today?  Yes.  Did the Republicans stop it?  No.  And this you herald as the victory of the ages, a defining moment.

85% of Republicans voted in previous years to stop Amnesty and other liberal bills.

Please provide any bill numbers you think are relevent to these claims.  I'd particularly like to see the bill number of the amnesty bill 85% of the Republicans voted against.

But that wasn’t good enough for GOP Haters and the liberal media. No the liberal media and their puppets repeatedly , obsessively focus on the 15% the RINOS to slander all Republicans. Now that 85% has gone up to 100% oh but that’s not good enough either. Who are they fooling : they are democrats , the ones bashing the GOP.

Oh, calling me a GOP hater isn't a insult.  It's a badge of honor.  I hate the GOP leadership with a passion.  This leadership deserves to be kicked out on it's ass.  We have many RINOs serving in the party too, particularly in that leadership.  In the Senate it may reach 25% of our total number there.  And at any given time, a few of them can break away to make sure that the Leftist vision for America is advanced.  And then the others can vote with the majority of Republicans, so that people like you can claim that almost all Republicans are solid on policy.  Why McCain has a great voting average.  What you don't realize is that when you vote in this manner to defeat Conservatism, you only have to do it 25% or less of the time to be effective.  When ten RINOs exist in the Senate, it only takes a portion of them to help the Liberals at any given time.  The portion that doesn't help the Leftists look great.  You rotate the people who vote with the Leftists.  Most of the time they do look great on votes.  "Why look at their voting record.  They're not that bad..."  B. S.

There are fine people serving as Republicans in Congress.  They are not represented by the leadership.  Since that is the case, they are essentially a different variety of RINO.  They are separate from the leadership and the villainous RINOs in their party.  They are a step above.  They are actually Conservatives.  I just wish they had a home to go to, where the leadership would appreciate them, nurture them, and help get their agenda passed.  And so yes, I do trash the Republican party.  I will continue to do so until we have leadership that doesn't have brown behind it's collective ears.

Well, I'm sure you'll provide the bill number for this "Amnesty", since you're so proud of Republicans on this matter.  We'll review this claim again after you have, and I've had a chance to look at the whole bill.

If it helps you sleep at night, you can think of me as a Democrat.  It won't be true, but I don't have a problem with you living your life in a state of delusion.

You are not fooling anyone .Democrats are destroying America .But all you do is spin and lie to slander all Repubilcans because you say this guy who calls himself a Republican did this or that.

Thank you.  I'm not trying to fool anyone.  Glad we agree on that point.  Yes, Democrats "AND THEIR FELLOW TRAVELERS" ARE destroying American.  And I don't have to spin or lie to explain that Republicans are all too often their fellow travelers.

I’d suupport anything that opposses democrats.Republicans are a great party.

Exactly.  I couldn't have said it better myself.  The problem is, when it comes to Conservatives vs Liberals, you credibility crumbles.

You are a democrat

As I said.  If it helps you sleep at night, you can think of me as a Democrat.  It won't be true, but I don't have a problem with you living your life in a state of delusion.  It seems to suit you.

[DoughtyOne]

BTW, as a sound “Republican” and defender of it’s rhelm, why would it appeal to you to post here on a Conservative forum under the name of Democrat_media?

[DoughtyOne]

Thanks. I took those names from an old list and didn’t edit out enough of the names. I believe there are two or three more people to add to that list, but I didn’t know them well enough to be able to do so comfortably.

[DoughtyOne]

Isn’t that the truth. Can’t tell you how frustrating it was to know it was (supposedly) my team doing all that cr_p.

[MSF BU]

When you were on active duty there was conscription and the military had the luxury of getting some very high quality recruits. Young men either signed up or risked being drafted into the army. Homosexuals were cashiered out when they were discovered. If they operated with discretion they survived but of course, were always subject to blackmail.

[LomanBill]

Burn us once, shame on them - but burn us twice... the shame's on us.

No more dialectic sheeple-pong - It's Tea Time, and both sides of the aisle know it.

 

 
"I KNOW BUT ONE CODE OF MORALITY FOR MEN WHETHER ACTING SINGLY OR COLLECTIVELY" -- Thomas Jefferson

[RetiredArmy]

Watch for a future AP article titled "Republicans block pay raise for troops".

I'd give up the pay raise just too keep the pink uniforms from coming into my military. I don't CARE WHAT ANYONE of these people say. I spend over 20 years in the military. I NEVER HEARD ONE person agree or say they wanted fags in the military. The only ones I ever heard of got quickly tossed out, and yes, a few got beat up. As they say, stuff happens. When you go into that environment and play silly stupid games, expect too pay a price.