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GM Shares Must Reach $134 for Taxpayers to Break Even
FOXBusiness ^ | Sept 22, 2010 | Ken Sweet

Posted on 09/22/2010 5:51:01 PM PDT by 10Ring

In order for taxpayers to recoup their $49.5 billion investment in General Motors, the U.S. government will have to sell its stake in the automaker at an average selling price of $133.78 per share, according to report issued by officials overseeing the Troubled Asset Relief Program.

The report, originally reported by The Wall Street Journal, shows it's quite unlikely that taxpayers will ever earn all their money back for investing in GM. The automaker’s stock never reached such levels in its pre-bankruptcy period, when GM had more brands, robust profits and a large auto-finance division.

TARP officials and the Journal said that GM would have to achieve a market capitalization of around $70 billion in order for taxpayers to recoup their investment, a level that’s considerably higher than Ford (F: 12.38 ,-0.13 ,-1.04%) or Chrysler. That market cap would only be exceeded by Toyota (TM: 71.51 ,-0.11 ,-0.15%), whose market capitalization is currently around $113 billion.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: gm; tarp
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Make it up in volume on that lovely new Volt.
1 posted on 09/22/2010 5:51:04 PM PDT by 10Ring
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To: 10Ring

Sell those IPO derivatives to unsuspecting Chinese. I’m sure the communists don’t mind propping up the American neo-fascists.

WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE!


2 posted on 09/22/2010 5:55:05 PM PDT by PGalt (Life, liberty and the pursuit and destruction of totalitarians)
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To: 10Ring

obvious question not answered...so, where are they today?


3 posted on 09/22/2010 5:55:59 PM PDT by mreerm
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As of today GM shares are not being traded. That means they are worthless. How long for them to go from zero to $134 a share? How about "until the Twelth of Never."
4 posted on 09/22/2010 5:59:59 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: 10Ring

Well, GM is not gonna do it on my $$s. My dad’s company was a major supplier to Chevrolet Motor Co. from the ‘20s through the ‘70s, and I grew up with intense GM brand loyalty.

I’ve bought a fleet or Chevys over the years (’64 Corvair, ‘68 Impala, ‘84 S-10, ‘84 Blazer, etc.)

Currently own an ‘80 Camaro Z-28, ‘89 S-10, ‘99 Malibu, ‘01 Blazer. No more Gummn’t Motors for me - we bought a 2010 Ford F-250 Diesel 4WD a few months ago. Love it.


5 posted on 09/22/2010 6:00:37 PM PDT by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: 10Ring

Union owned companies generally are not good investments.

I would bet a lot of pensions will get their arms twisted to buy this bag of s**t. Oddly - anyone who buys this will breach their fiduciary duty by buying a bag of UAW/Obama crap.


6 posted on 09/22/2010 6:02:34 PM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Well not exactly. The old shares I think are still there under bankrupt ticker. They still trade for pennies. The new shares supposedly will go public in the near future. The old shares will be finally wiped out then but the old shares are worthless.

They want to do the IPO (initial public offering) but who is there sane mind would buy stock in an auto company ownmed by the UAW and an Islamo Marxist government caleed Zimbabwe/USA?

So they are trying to figure out a way to go public because they know it will flop.

No fool will buy it. Everybody and their brother will want to short it.


7 posted on 09/22/2010 6:09:12 PM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: 10Ring

Making an electric car that will go 40 miles without being charged should make that stock sell fast.


8 posted on 09/22/2010 6:10:27 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: 10Ring

It’s easy: Let’s take the first $50 Billion. Without us, we would not have a GM


9 posted on 09/22/2010 6:10:57 PM PDT by mainsail that ("A man will fight hardeI believe thatÂ’r for his interests than for his rights" - Napoleon Bonapart)
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To: Frantzie

The IPO’s in November. I can’t wait...right after the elections. But, yeah fat chance in heck the price gets anywhere near $134...the stock never approached that in the best times. Hooray unions.


10 posted on 09/22/2010 6:14:17 PM PDT by 10Ring
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To: 10Ring
While I strongly agree that investing in Chevy and Chrysler was a bad investment made to bail out the unions from reaping the consequences of their own foolish greed, it is possible that Chevy will reach that market cap after the economy recovers a bit.

Most companies generally split their stock before it gets up to $134 so it doesn't surprise me that it has never reached that price per share, nor does it need to reach that price in order for the government to break even if the stock splits.

11 posted on 09/22/2010 6:20:58 PM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: mreerm
obvious question not answered...so, where are they today?

You noticed that too?

Guess even Fox has been persuaded not to distribute bad Obama obvious news...

12 posted on 09/22/2010 6:22:06 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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To: 10Ring

This is amazing. I’ve bought some speculative stocks but this is worse than any of them. GM needs earnings growth an order of magnitude beyond anything Apple is producing.

Bankruptcy, properly executed, would have protected more people all around than this Obamanation.


13 posted on 09/22/2010 6:23:13 PM PDT by jimfree (In 2012 Sarah Palin will continue to have more relevant quality executive experience than B. Obama.)
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I will never buy a car from these communists.


14 posted on 09/22/2010 6:30:27 PM PDT by Benchim
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To: jimfree

There is no way an automotive manufacturing company can achieve a return on capital anywhere close to Apple. Ford is run very well by comparision and their return on assets is 1.5% versus about 11% for Apple.

BMW and Porsche are probably the most profitable auto companies in the world. Maybe Ferrari too. GM would have to be as well managed as those companies to get near the market capitalization to payback the public.

Considering the UAW is running the show and that the IPO paperwork said they cannot calculate profitability because the internal controls are so screwed up then it is impossible.

This is British Leyland Part 2.


15 posted on 09/22/2010 6:37:48 PM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: 10Ring

The tax payers will be willing to call it even when Obama’s political agenda has been neutralized.


16 posted on 09/22/2010 6:48:06 PM PDT by G Larry (Patty-cake diplomacy must give way to strong, decisive action!)
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To: untrained skeptic

Ford shares go for $12.38. I doubt GM is getting anywhere near $20 anytime soon. The govt needs to sell the shares to recoup the $50 billion TARP investment...how can they wait around for the stock to split? Sell 50% in Nov and hope it rises enough to cover the difference. Not making sense.

It’s a loser all the way round and now Barofsky is investigating their purchase of Americredit at a 25% premium. GM bought Americredit with TARP money. Boy, I just love this new GM...lol.


17 posted on 09/22/2010 6:49:31 PM PDT by 10Ring
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i won’t be buying anything from gov’t motors

and until the US is back to where it’s supposed to be, i won’t buy American as often as possible. why? because i do not want the progressives bs to be supported by the capitalistic machine of the US. therefore, i will do what i can to deprive that machine of my money.

the worse the economy gets, the more likely we are to get back to where we’re supposed to be

short term pain... long term gain


18 posted on 09/22/2010 6:55:11 PM PDT by sten
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How about if the US walks into GM and Takes every cent that they intend to donate politically, and return that money to the Taxpayer.


19 posted on 09/22/2010 6:57:08 PM PDT by Revel
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To: hinckley buzzard
How about "until the Twelth of Never."

And that's a long, long time.

20 posted on 09/22/2010 7:01:14 PM PDT by trad_anglican
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