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Officer in Costco shooting says man raised gun, didnít know it was in holster
Las Vegas Sun ^ | 23 Sept 2010 | Cara McCoy, Dave Toplikar

Posted on 09/24/2010 9:34:59 AM PDT by Mr Rogers

This comes from a Vegas paper, so I'll summarize:

Day 1 of the inquest into the police shooting of Eric Scott at a Las Vegas Costco emphasized the large amount of prescription painkillers found in his body. The assistant DA suggested Scott was suicidal.

Day 2 apparently spent a bunch of time explaining why there will be no video...basically, the machines weren't working, sorry.

Then the cop who was closest to Scott testified. In his testimony, he says the gun found by investigators was in its holster, and that he didn't realize the gun was in its holster when he shot Scott. That info comes about 2/3 of the way into the article:

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/sep/23/officer-deadly-shooting-says-man-pointed-gun-didnt/

(Excerpt) Read more at lasvegassun.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; costco; donutwatch; erikscott; morphine
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I don't know what type of holster it was, but A) someone trying to commit 'suicide by cop' would have pulled the gun, not the gun in its holster, and B) I'm concerned that the inquiry seems to be focused on suicide by cop rather than focusing on what happened. It is still ongoing, but so far the testimony has come from Costco employees and the closest cop.

It may be the drugs Scott was using clouded his judgment in how to respond, but I don't see any indication that he was trying to force the police to shoot him. Not if he pulled a holstered gun.

1 posted on 09/24/2010 9:35:01 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: Mr Rogers
Step 1) Start with a theory: suicide by cop.
Step 2) Gather evidence in support of theory.
Step 3) Lose any evidence that works against your theory.
2 posted on 09/24/2010 9:38:10 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Things will change after the revolution, but not before.)
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To: Mr Rogers

My B.S. meter just exploded all over the room.


3 posted on 09/24/2010 9:38:41 AM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (That Kenyan bastard is not my president. ENFORCE the Bill of Rights.)
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To: Mr Rogers

The notion that the video cameras all failed makes me more than a little suspicious. One wonders what the cops and Costco are trying to hide that would be revealed by the video. The “malfunction” is a little too convenient here.


4 posted on 09/24/2010 9:38:41 AM PDT by Blennos
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To: Blennos

If the 911 tape vanishes, the fix is completely in.


5 posted on 09/24/2010 9:39:38 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: Mr Rogers
At the least, he died from the incompetence of trying to follow multiple commands, getting shot for disobeying one. At the most, it was outright murder by an adrenaline junky.

Cop1: "GET DOWN!"
Cop 2: "TURN TOWARDS ME!"
Cop 3: "DONT MOVE!"
Cop 1: "SHOW ME WHERE THE GUN IS!"
Cop 2: "KEEP YOUR HANDS UP!"
Cop 3" "THROW YOUR GUN OVER HERE!"

BANG! BANG! BANG!

Sad all the way around. Cops should be at least suspended, if not fired. If the tape EVER comes out, I bet the cops could see jail time.

The fact that the tape hasn't come out is the most disturbing aspect of the story.

6 posted on 09/24/2010 9:40:33 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists". (Die Ritter der Kokosnuss))
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To: Mr Rogers

This all boils down to money, pure and simple.

They know the cop blew it when he killed the guy, but to admit it means the guys wife will win a huge judgment by the jury guaranteed.

By backing the cop now they will make the lawyers work for a decent settlement instead of handing it to them on a silver platter.


7 posted on 09/24/2010 9:41:25 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Mr Rogers
Large amounts of pain killers found during autopsy.
Check.
Video cameras not working.
Check.

The fix is, most definitely, in.

8 posted on 09/24/2010 9:41:45 AM PDT by Washi
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To: Mr Rogers

What is the purpose of the “he pulled a holstered gun” observations. Seems to me it makes little difference in determining whether the shooting was justified.

(1) Some poorly made holsters will come off with the gun when you draw; (2) you can still kill someone else or yourself with a gun that is holster-covered (they aren’t bullet-proof); and (3) I can imagine it would be difficult to recognize from a reasonable distance whether someone was pointing a hostered or unholstered gun at you.

SnakeDoc


9 posted on 09/24/2010 9:41:59 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("Talk low, talk slow, and don't say too much." -- John Wayne)
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To: Mr Rogers

This whole thing makes me so angry. When the truth finally comes out about this, I hope Scott’s family sues the pants off both Costco and the employee who phoned in the false report to 911. Where are the surveillance tapes??!


10 posted on 09/24/2010 9:42:02 AM PDT by ponygirl (TEA people: First we take out the RINOS. Then we finish off the Socialists.)
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To: Mr Rogers
If these cops were real men, they'd admit that they effed up and take their punishment, whatever that may be.

Instead, they have to slander the poor guy they killed.

I can buy that the killing was a mistake without evil intent, but their actions since then are intentional.

11 posted on 09/24/2010 9:42:16 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Scott was totally correct that any gun permit allows the owner to carry a gun in plain sight so long as it is not displayed threateningly. Although legal, it is possibly fatal to do so as this case so well illustrates.
12 posted on 09/24/2010 9:43:52 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop Barry now. He can't help himself.)
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To: Mr Rogers

I would like to know if the cops generally yell “Put the gun down” in order to protect themselves in most situations.

That is the impression I got from the little we have heard.


13 posted on 09/24/2010 9:44:04 AM PDT by texmexis best
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To: Mr Rogers
I'm concerned that the inquiry seems to be focused on suicide by cop rather than focusing on what happened.

You may be concerned but are you really surprised?

14 posted on 09/24/2010 9:44:16 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Mr Rogers
Day 2 apparently spent a bunch of time explaining why there will be no video...basically, the machines weren't working, sorry.

I think we all saw that one coming.

15 posted on 09/24/2010 9:44:16 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (is a Jim DeMint Republican. You might say he's a funDeMintalist conservative.)
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To: Mr Rogers
First I've heard about Scott having drugs in his system. Sounds like it could be a factor affecting his behavior inside the store. But the Metro Cop's testimony and background is troubling.
16 posted on 09/24/2010 9:46:42 AM PDT by smokingfrog (freerepublic.com - Thanks JimRob! The flags are back! - 8/17/2010.)
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To: Mr Rogers

It’s not unusual for certain types of holsters to come off with the gun when you pull the gun.


17 posted on 09/24/2010 9:46:48 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Mr Rogers

The picture of assailant Police Officer Mosher accompanying the article must be seen to be believed.


18 posted on 09/24/2010 9:48:00 AM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: Mr Rogers
The following is heard in the 911 call: “Put your hands where I can see them now. Drop it! Get on the ground! Get on the ground!”

Now try complying without getting shot - btw you have about three seconds.

This all stinks so badly... I hope those involved in this coverup fry, if not legally them in their own minds as they contemplate killing an innocent person by accident & lacked the b*lls to admit it.

19 posted on 09/24/2010 9:48:07 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: S.O.S121.500

NV is an incredibly small state. All the authority figures
know each other and probably watch each others backs.

Noone should be suprised that the tapes are missing.


20 posted on 09/24/2010 9:48:24 AM PDT by rahbert
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To: texmexis best

they teach that in cop schools- yell your commands loud enough for all non-seeing ‘witnesses’ to hear.

problem is, if there are 3 cops all yelling different things and some of those things aren’t real...


21 posted on 09/24/2010 9:49:26 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: Mr Rogers

bttt


22 posted on 09/24/2010 9:50:52 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Non-Sequitur; Mr Rogers

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2594943/posts


23 posted on 09/24/2010 9:51:06 AM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: Mr Rogers


24 posted on 09/24/2010 9:51:18 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Mr Rogers
I don't know what type of holster it was,

Early articles stated it was a zippered holster.

25 posted on 09/24/2010 9:51:30 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Mr Rogers

Lard Ass GI Joe wannabe...aka Officer Mosher.

26 posted on 09/24/2010 9:52:15 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (If exercising the right to free speech invites violence, then girls in short skirts invite rape.)
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To: Mr Rogers
While the victim's use of painkillers doesn't provide any excuse for the men who killed him, it would explain why he was considered to have been behaving strangely.

It's possible - and this is pure speculation - that he, like many normal Americans, developed a dependency on drugs that were prescribed following a medical situation (like surgery, physical rehab, etc.)

That's much more plausible to me than the claim that he was "suicidal."

27 posted on 09/24/2010 9:52:29 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Mr Rogers

Metro Police Officer William Mosher testifies about shooting Erik Scott during a coroner’s inquest at the Regional Justice Center Thursday, September 23, 2010.
28 posted on 09/24/2010 9:52:51 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: SnakeDoctor

Purpose?

1 - If you are trying to commit suicide by cop - as the assistant DA has already argued - then you try to draw attention to yourself as a threat, forcing the cops to shoot you. You do not do it by exiting the store quietly, nor do you do it by pulling a gun out in its holster.

2 - I carry a J-frame revolver. If I pull it and shoot a guy who has a holstered gun in his hand, do you think the DA will argue it was a justified shooting because the guy was trying to commit suicide?

3 - I’ve never tried firing a gun in a holster. My daughter has a purse designed to fire the gun with it in the purse, but she has to stick her hand into the purse first. And I doubt Scott was carrying a purse. The fanny packs I know about generally have a tab you pull to expose the gun, but Scott’s gun was in his waistband.

It is true you can pull a gun out and have the holster come with it, but that ought to put a crimp in your shooting style! I think there are in waist band holsters with exposed triggers, but I sure wouldn’t carry one.

I don’t think the cops were trying to murder Scott. I think they fell into the “armed AND DANGEROUS” trap, led into it by the Costco employees. And the Costco employees admitted Scott was not acting violently or in a threatening manner...yet their call to the cops would lead one to believe he was.


29 posted on 09/24/2010 9:53:31 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: Fundamentally Fair

That one earns the epithet “pig”. Or, perhaps, “warthog-faced buffoon”.


30 posted on 09/24/2010 9:54:26 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Fundamentally Fair

Wow. He looks like he can outrun approximately 0% of perpetrators.


31 posted on 09/24/2010 9:54:39 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: SZonian

My goodness, what ever are you implying? </sarcasm>


32 posted on 09/24/2010 9:55:45 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Mr Rogers

I’m not buying any of this. Too many eyewitness accounts within feet of Scott tell a different story. And Las Vegas has a record of lying/covering up.


33 posted on 09/24/2010 9:55:53 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: nkycincinnatikid

Knock it off - he only has two chins. No reason to drop the donuts until you have three...

Actually, I agree. I expect an on the ball cop to make some pretense of physical fitness.


34 posted on 09/24/2010 9:56:45 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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The murdered man is reported to be a West Point graduate and veteran with university degree(s) and a successful representative for a company that sells medical devices. This is mentioned in virtually every report I have seen until this inquest when suddenly he is a drug-addled, beligerent gun nut and very possibly suicidal to boot. It has been months since the shooting and none of this was reported until this inquest.

Technical malfunctions certainly occur. Amazing how this one just happens to coincide with this murder. This stinks to high heaven.

Doesn’t LAPD have any standards covering minimal physical requirements for its officers? I guess not based on the picture of the one who led the firing squad.


35 posted on 09/24/2010 9:57:00 AM PDT by scory
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To: ClearCase_guy

Just as they did with O.J. Simpson that ultimately cost them a conviction?


36 posted on 09/24/2010 9:58:05 AM PDT by Ingtar (If Washington and his peers had been RINOs, we would still be a British colony.)
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To: Mr Rogers
Twitter for the Costco Loss Prevention employee who made the 911 call (Shai Lierley) http://twitter.com/slierley

Post: “Court sux! 2nd day”

Dieing sux worse, Shai

37 posted on 09/24/2010 9:58:11 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (If exercising the right to free speech invites violence, then girls in short skirts invite rape.)
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To: Mr Rogers

The officer who shot from the front needs to up his caliber to soemthing starting with a “4”, as in .45. Two shots center mass and the perp backed up and turned around before falling forward after taking five more rounds to the back. ‘9mm will not save you, friends, unless you can make head shots, consistently.’


38 posted on 09/24/2010 9:58:39 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it's nye impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Mr Rogers
From the article:

He also testified that he didn’t recall ordering Scott to “drop his gun.” But those commands are distinctly heard on the 911 tape that was played for the jury.

The tape was again played for Mosher, who said it was his voice on the tape. He was the only officer issuing commands, he said.

The following is heard in the 911 call: “Put your hands where I can see them now. Drop it! Get on the ground! Get on the ground!”

He refused to comply with those commands, to show his hands, or to get on the ground,” Mosher testified.

Uhm, officer Mosher, you also told him to "DROP IT!"

39 posted on 09/24/2010 9:59:23 AM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: Mr Rogers

Nothing unusual at all in this investigation. The results were as expected. No surprises for the public.


40 posted on 09/24/2010 9:59:57 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Conflict is inevitable; Combat is an option. Train for the fight.)
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To: Ingtar
I'm not grasping the similarities between OJ Simpson and the guy at Costco who was gunned down by police.

Explain?

41 posted on 09/24/2010 10:00:05 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Things will change after the revolution, but not before.)
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To: scory
Doesn’t LAPD have any standards covering minimal physical requirements for its officers?

Uh...I think that would be LVPD...

42 posted on 09/24/2010 10:00:26 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: wideawake

12:25 p.m.

Dr. Alane Olson, a medical examiner at the Clark County Coroner’s office, was the first witness in today’s coroner’s inquest into the shooting death of Erik Scott.

Olson was giving a detailed explanation of the seven bullets that struck Eric Scott based off her July 11 autopsy.

She said five of the shots entered his back and two entered the front of his body. One of the bullets entered his buttocks area, traveled up through his bowels and lodged in his chest.

She said it was “indeterminate” how close Scott was from the gun barrels.

She said he also had some minor scrapes on his hands and his right knee. He also had wounds associated with attempts of medical personnel to give him aid, she said.
- - - - - - - - - - - -

If he was taking that amount of drugs, he should not have been carrying a gun.

But shot in the back 5 times? How can they justify that? It sounds like they just opened fire based on the fact that the Metro Cop shot first.


43 posted on 09/24/2010 10:00:51 AM PDT by smokingfrog (freerepublic.com - Thanks JimRob! The flags are back! - 8/17/2010.)
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To: Mr Rogers

Shia Lierley, Costco Loss Prevention Employee who called 911.

44 posted on 09/24/2010 10:00:55 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (If exercising the right to free speech invites violence, then girls in short skirts invite rape.)
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To: nkycincinnatikid

He’s the spitting image of Curly Howard

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curly_Howard


45 posted on 09/24/2010 10:02:45 AM PDT by sleddogs
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To: nkycincinnatikid
Sgt. Sugarcookie.

This just gets worse and worse.

46 posted on 09/24/2010 10:03:12 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Alarm and Muster)
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To: B4Ranch

Yep. And that depresses the hell out of me...


47 posted on 09/24/2010 10:05:32 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Alarm and Muster)
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To: Blennos

Both costco and the LE are facing huge civil suits let alone criminal charges if tapes showing them in the wrong appear. Yeah, all cameras mysteriously malfunction at the same time...uh huh...


48 posted on 09/24/2010 10:05:39 AM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

The argument made in the post I responded to basically said they had their theory, gathered or manufactured evidence to fit, and discarded or lost anything that contradicted. In the Simpson case, they were so sure they had it correct, they screwed up a lot of the evidence they needed to convict.

As much as people blame that one on the race card, some of the police behavior that came out in that trial precluded conviction and would have freed him on appeal. The most telling was the video of the bedroom showing nothing on the white carpeted floor. The video presented with a later timestamp where a bloody black sock was found where nothing appeared was the first clue that something was amiss.


50 posted on 09/24/2010 10:07:32 AM PDT by Ingtar (If Washington and his peers had been RINOs, we would still be a British colony.)
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