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‘Leaving California’ list grows to 144 firms for 2010 (34 in Orange County alone)
Orange County Register ^ | 09/23/2010 | Jan Norman

Posted on 09/26/2010 8:34:10 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Irvine consultant Joe Vranich, who has been compiling a list of companies leaving California because of the state’s anti-business environment, is now up to 144 companies that have departed in 2010, including 34 in Orange County.

In addition, he lists 51 companies (8 from Orange County) that left in 2009. That three-fold increase, Vranich says, is the tip of the iceberg that is California’s financial woes.

“Quite clearly, the exodus of businesses out of California continues. It makes sense for companies to reduce their California footprint considering the ample supply of attractive, lower-cost alternative locations. Unless California reduces its hostility toward business, we will see more commercial enterprises seeking friendlier locations in which to relocate entirely or at least place facilities there that used to be located here.”

Among the Orange County companies new to his list are Boeing, Kennametal Inc., Latex International, Multi-Fineline Elextronix Inc., NGK Spark Plug Co., Pipeline Software Inc., Smith Micro Software Inc. and Witt Heat Transfer Products Group, most of which have been previously reported by the Register. Vranich says Orange County may be over-represented on his list because news reports are one source of his information and the Register reports business comings and goings more than some publications.

Vranich doesn’t include in his list every company that opens a facility elsewhere. Here’s how he explains:

“I’ve excluded countless companies that are attempting to serve new territories or new customers, are expanding because the company is growing, or are acquiring companies located elsewhere. When events appear unrelated to California’s hostile business environment, I give the companies the benefit of the doubt and leave them off the list.

Which locations are benefiting from California’s exodus? Vranich says in a Fox&Hounds article:

(Excerpt) Read more at jan.ocregister.com ...


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1 posted on 09/26/2010 8:34:15 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

STATES PEOPLE FROM CALIFORNIA ARE MOVING TO:

# Texas

# Arizona

# Colorado

# Nevada

# Virginia

# Utah


2 posted on 09/26/2010 8:35:15 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Move to Arizona...at least the Governor would co-operate!!


3 posted on 09/26/2010 8:37:15 AM PDT by pollywog ("Under His Wings".........Psalm 91:4)
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To: SeekAndFind

Come to Buffalo, NY

4 distinct seasons to enjoy, each one lasting a perfect 3 months.

cost of living HALF what it is in California.

A NICE 5 bedroom house can be had for under $200K and many great 2 and 3 bedroom for under $100K

Growing internet hub- dqta center (because of the proximity to population. Half the country lives within 500 miles)


4 posted on 09/26/2010 8:38:25 AM PDT by Mr. K (GO! PALADINO FOR GOVERNOR OF NEW YORK!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Companies and individuals are leaving California in record numbers for low or no tax states such as Nevada and Florida.


5 posted on 09/26/2010 8:38:53 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: SeekAndFind

States that find transplant Californians annoying, snooty, condescending, and way too damn liberal:

# Texas

# Arizona

# Nevada

# Utah


6 posted on 09/26/2010 8:39:09 AM PDT by egannacht (Inalienable rights granted by...)
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To: SeekAndFind
STATES PEOPLE FROM CALIFORNIA ARE MOVING TO:
# Texas
# Arizona
# Colorado
# Nevada
# Virginia
# Utah

We have enough of these loons here in Arizona (they voted for McCain - personal experience) - please keep heading elsewhere.

7 posted on 09/26/2010 8:40:57 AM PDT by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Mr. K

I spent quite a few years in upstate NY. 300 days a year of clouds. Plus, what do you call the day after two days of rain? “Monday”

Now I’ve got 300 days of sunshine a year. I’ve also got a bankrupt state with an Democrat-controlled anti-business attitude. But you’ve got that last part, too.


8 posted on 09/26/2010 8:41:34 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Ev Reeman

Was there not a huge battle, I think in the 80’s, wherein California tried to tax multinationls located there on their world wide income? I believe they lost that battle after quite a few years.

Funny how non state tax states seem to be getting some of the spoils here. It is not coincidental.


9 posted on 09/26/2010 8:42:10 AM PDT by Mouton
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To: egannacht

Amen to that.


10 posted on 09/26/2010 8:42:36 AM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: SeekAndFind

and TENNESSEE


11 posted on 09/26/2010 8:42:52 AM PDT by phockthis
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To: SeekAndFind

No income tax in Texas............


12 posted on 09/26/2010 8:42:55 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Colorado is a Godless place, that’s fer shure


13 posted on 09/26/2010 8:43:42 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys)
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To: Mr. K

and bring your snow shovel! :)


14 posted on 09/26/2010 8:44:45 AM PDT by mazda77 (Rubio - US Senate, West FL22nd, Scott/Carroll - FL Gov/LtGov, Miller-AK US Senate)
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To: SeekAndFind
Question.

Is California a microcosm of America's economic policy?

Or, is America's economic policy a macrocosm of California?

Or, both?

What is affecting the seventh largest economy in the world is also affecting the second. The causes are the same and the results are the same.

See what happens when the individual states are no longer allowed to be the experimental laboratories for the rest of us. The adverse impacts can be fatal for all of us.

It is past time to break the power cartel that has established itself inside the beltway and return to policies that have been effective instead of adopting polices that are failures because they are advocated by people with a whole bunch of letters after their names.

15 posted on 09/26/2010 8:45:22 AM PDT by Nip ("Much less than expected" the new synonym for Obamanomics)
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To: SeekAndFind
More states being ruined by the migrating liberals.
16 posted on 09/26/2010 8:46:12 AM PDT by ladyvet (I would rather have Incitatus then the asses that are in congress today.)
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To: SeekAndFind

they’re going to start leaving Oregon too after they passed laws that will harm small businesses here as wellby spreading the wealth around. It really is mind boggling to see people so short sighted and vote for an immediate benefit that will cut off their employment in the long run


17 posted on 09/26/2010 8:46:16 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Mouton
I think in the 80’s, wherein California tried to tax multinationls located there on their world wide income?

CA taxed multinational entities on their world wide income based on a three factor formula of payroll, property, and sales. Based on that formula, that percentage was applied to world wide income and tax computed on that percentage. The entire world wide income was not taxed by CA. When water's edge was put in place, then all taxation stopped "at the edge of the water". So, multinationals simply raised the cost of good sold sky high so that their CA entities never showed a dime of profit and *bingo* no CA taxes.

18 posted on 09/26/2010 8:47:21 AM PDT by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$ or PETA.)
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To: Nip
It is past time to break the power cartel that has established itself inside the beltway and return to policies that have been effective instead of adopting polices that are failures because they are advocated by people with a whole bunch of letters after their names.

Great points.

19 posted on 09/26/2010 8:49:29 AM PDT by GOPJ (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2589165/posts)
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To: SeekAndFind

After 50 years in SoCal, my husband’s company moved to Arizona. I am not a Leftist loon, by the way. I hope Arizonans will appreciate that we, two more Republicans, are here.


20 posted on 09/26/2010 8:49:54 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: egannacht

Well those states will soon be for sale along with Cakifornia on e-bay soon.


21 posted on 09/26/2010 8:51:29 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Mr. K

Actually, if Buffalo was smart...they’d hire three salesman (who are unemployed right now), and send them out for six months in California to talk up moving to Buffalo. If they just convince one company to move....they’ve made their cost, but I bet they can talk five to ten companies into moving.


22 posted on 09/26/2010 8:51:34 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: pepsionice

I dont think life long Californians could survive in Buffalo even one winter


23 posted on 09/26/2010 8:53:22 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: SeekAndFind

The NEW ballad of Jed Clampett
Come and listen to a story ‘bout a man named Jed
Poor oil entrepreneur barely kept his family fed
Then one day he was working for some food,
And up through the crowd come a bumbling fool
(Arnold that is, RINO gold, more taxes please)

Well the first thing you know old Jed’s taxes are to much to bear,
Kin folk said Jed move away from there!
Said California is no place for you to be
So they loaded up the truck and they moved from Beverly
(go’n back to the Hills they are, fish’n holes, country and western stars)

Well now it’s time to say goodbye to Jed and all his kin
They would like to thank you folks for kindly dropping in
You’re all invited back again to their new locality
To have a heaping helping of their hospitality
(Redneck Hillbillies, is what the press call ‘em now,
Clingers of bibles and guns and to Obama no bow!
Nice folks Y’all come back now, ya hear?)


24 posted on 09/26/2010 8:53:59 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: ladyvet

Liberal run states are in the worst shape.

California.

Massachusetts.

Illinois.

Michigan.

New York.

Pennsylvania.


25 posted on 09/26/2010 8:54:00 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: ladyvet
"MORE STATE BEING RUINED BY MIGRATING LIBERALS" Photobucket
26 posted on 09/26/2010 8:57:15 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: SeekAndFind

Incredible, meanwhile the pollsters&complicit media are trying to ‘push’ Brown and Boxer over the top,, again.


27 posted on 09/26/2010 8:58:43 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: pepsionice

And the California liberals will feel right at home in NY.


28 posted on 09/26/2010 9:00:41 AM PDT by RS_Rider (I hate Illinois Nazis)
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To: SeekAndFind

My company has an opening out in CA near LA. It has been open for over 3 months - in this jobs climate. I co-worker asked me if I was interested (it is a plum assignment in my field). I replied immediately and truthfully that I would quit the Company before I would let them transfer me there at any salary they could reasonably offer.


29 posted on 09/26/2010 9:01:50 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (obama out now! I'll keep my money, my guns, and my freedom - you can keep the change.)
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To: egannacht

Hell, even Washington and Oregon found them annoying, snooty, condescending, and way too damn liberal, until the transplants corrupted those states into their own image.

California metastasizes.


30 posted on 09/26/2010 9:02:29 AM PDT by Psalm 144
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To: SeekAndFind

The article mentions Boeing. I can assume that they are talking about the plant in Long Beach. If I remember correctly that is the old Douglas aircraft plant from years ago.


31 posted on 09/26/2010 9:05:53 AM PDT by NY Attitude (Make love not war but be prepared for either.)
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To: Mr. K
"Come to Buffalo, NY"

You're kidding - right? CA & NY are the two most anti-business states in the union. Why anyone remains in either is a mystery to me.

32 posted on 09/26/2010 9:09:19 AM PDT by ArchAngel1983 (Arch Angel- on guard / I'm not anti-government, I'm anti-democrat!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Sounds like Whitman and Fiorina need to run a whole lot more ads especially in liberal dominated areas of the state like the Bay area, Los Angeles, Hollywood and Beverly Hills.


33 posted on 09/26/2010 9:09:54 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: NY Attitude

Liberal policies were responsible for closing McDonnell Douglas, then Hughes and now they are trying to do the same with Boeing.


34 posted on 09/26/2010 9:12:14 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: SeekAndFind

Very glad to see the great state of Virginia on the list of those welcoming the firms. This is the upside of of CA`s policies. The good states benefit. Keep up the good work, CA!!


35 posted on 09/26/2010 9:18:09 AM PDT by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: SCalGal

Thats for that concise explanation of the california multinational taxing scheme.


36 posted on 09/26/2010 9:18:32 AM PDT by Mouton
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To: Mouton

The Citizens of California deserve this for constantly voting overwhelmingly for decades for Democrat politicians who destroy the tax base with huge benefits for illegals and those who refuse to get a job.


37 posted on 09/26/2010 9:21:22 AM PDT by WaterBoard
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To: NY Attitude

Long Beach is in Los Angeles County. Boeing has a facility in Huntington Beach that is part of its Space Exploration group.


38 posted on 09/26/2010 9:22:21 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Mr. K
Is that why so many former New York residents move down here to Florida?

If I were a business owner looking to move from California, New York would be near the bottom of the list, right next to Massachusetts, Vermont, Maryland and Maine.

39 posted on 09/26/2010 9:22:31 AM PDT by RightWingConspirator (Impeach the Communist Kenyan Fraud and his band of Czars)
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To: ArchAngel1983

Not after Paladino gets elected

But you are right- I would wait until then

If Cuomo wins I WILL be moving out of the state (and I am NOT just joking about that)


40 posted on 09/26/2010 9:22:58 AM PDT by Mr. K (GO! PALADINO FOR GOVERNOR OF NEW YORK!)
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To: All

I’m a proud Southerner.
In my lifetime, I’ve had the “pleasure” of meeting a few “native” Californians who felt the need to passively inform me of how California was superior to the South.
As I’ve grown, I have come to realize that California is without a doubt the “dumbest” state in the Union....


41 posted on 09/26/2010 9:23:32 AM PDT by Maverick68
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To: WaterBoard

“The Citizens of California deserve this for constantly voting overwhelmingly for decades for Democrat politicians who destroy the tax base with huge benefits for illegals and those who refuse to get a job.”

Even those of us who didn’t vote for that?


42 posted on 09/26/2010 9:23:53 AM PDT by Mr Inviso (ACORN=Arrogant Condescending Obama Ruining Nation)
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To: ladyvet

“More states being ruined by the migrating liberals.”

_________________________________________________

Just casting the stupid votes other Americans don’t want to cast.


43 posted on 09/26/2010 9:24:11 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Ev Reeman

All this, and STILL Boxer is pulling away in virtually every poll. Looks to me like CA seems quite satisfied with the status quo. With working people fleeing, I guess it makes sense the proportionate numbers of the dependency class would rise.


44 posted on 09/26/2010 9:24:56 AM PDT by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: ladyvet

Very true. They leave California and bring their liberal virus with them. Then try to infect their new places of residence. All one has to do is look at what the California virus has done to Portland, Oregon; Boulder/Denver/Ft. Collins, and Seattle to get a taste of what Californians will attempt to do when they migrate to a new state. Colorado is slowly becoming the new California and wheras Texas is pretty good at fighting such diseases as the California virus, but the virus does have an infested nest started in Texas. It is called Austin.

States, they move to, need to disinfect Californians and tell them in no uncertain terms that their libtard ideas are not accepted and they need to abide by the traditions of the state they are moving to. If they are unwilling, then tell them NY,Vermont and Mass. would welcome them and their virus.


45 posted on 09/26/2010 9:25:22 AM PDT by CharlesMartelsGhost
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To: CharlesMartelsGhost

Report: 40 percent of county’s Medi-Cal births to illegal immigrants

NORTH COUNTY —— A state report quietly released last spring shows illegal immigrants made up the largest single group of those giving birth at taxpayer expense in the state and in San Diego County in 2004.

The May report, “Medi-Cal Funded Deliveries,” states that of the 14,350 taxpayer-funded births in the county that year, 5,814, or 40.5 percent, were to illegal immigrants. That is an 18 percent increase over the 4,916 Medi-Cal-funded deliveries to illegal immigrants in San Diego County in 2001, as shown in an earlier state report.

On Friday morning, Vista resident Silvia stopped to talk with a visitor as she headed into the Vista Community Clinic with her 1-year-old son in her arms and her 4-year-old son in tow. The 24-year-old woman said in Spanish that she is an illegal immigrant and has lived in the United States for 10 years. She spoke on the condition that her last name not be published.
Silvia, a native of Oaxaca, Mexico, said Medi-Cal paid labor and delivery costs for both of her children, and added that she is frustrated that now she has to pay for their medical care and that she expected Friday’s doctor visit to cost her $35.

“I think they should pay,” said the woman who earns $11 an hour at a local factory but receives no health benefits. “I buy things, I pay taxes.”

A few minutes later, a woman named Maria was leaving the clinic with her 6-year-old son and 5-month-old daughter. The 27-year-old native of San Luis, Mexico, who also spoke on the condition of anonymity, said she is a single mom who struggles to survive by cleaning houses. She said she has lived in the U.S. for 13 years and is an illegal immigrant. Medi-Cal paid the delivery costs for her children, Maria said, adding that she is grateful for the help.

“I think I should pay, but I can’t,” said Maria, as she waited at the bus stop.

Statewide in 2004, providers delivered 248,086 babies at taxpayers’ expense, according to the report. Of those, 105,665, or 42.6 percent, were to illegal immigrants. That’s a 13.5 percent increase over the 93,094 Medi-Cal-funded deliveries to illegal immigrants in the state in 2001, as shown in the earlier report.

At an average cost of $3,224 each for 74,835 vaginal deliveries and $5,153 each for 30,830 Cesarean deliveries in 2004, the total cost to taxpayers ran more than $400 million. Of that total, about $22 million was for births in San Diego County.

The amounts included doctors’ fees and, in many cases, pre- and postnatal care.

Despite the cost, a local doctor says the money is a necessary investment.

Bernard Wosk, a physician at the nonprofit Vista Community Clinic, immigrated to the U.S. from his native Nicaragua 20 years ago. He said he has prenatal patients who are illegal immigrants.

Wosk said he understands that laws are necessary to stop illegal immigration.

“But the point is they are already here and if you are talking about taxpayer money, it has been proven that the more you spend on prenatal care, the more you save in the mid- and long-term,” Wosk said. “Moneywise, it makes sense and humanitarianwise, you can’t turn your back on a newborn.”

San Diego County’s 5,814 births to illegal immigrants in 2004 placed it third in the rankings of the 58 counties in the state. Topping the list was Los Angeles County, with 41,240, followed by Orange County, with 10,979 births to illegal immigrant mothers.


46 posted on 09/26/2010 9:27:35 AM PDT by WaterBoard
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To: Mr Inviso

Yep. Your state is no longer viable financially for business or even state governance. It has been corrupted by lazy voters and activist voters who let this happen. Just not enough of the good guys left.


47 posted on 09/26/2010 9:30:01 AM PDT by WaterBoard
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To: ScottinVA

Be careful what you wish for. Liberal Californians will change your state more quickly than you can imagine. And it’s my understanding that Virginia is a state teetering on the edge as it is.


48 posted on 09/26/2010 9:37:15 AM PDT by ponygirl (TEA people: First we take out the RINOS. Then we finish off the Socialists.)
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To: 1000 silverlings

“they’re going to start leaving Oregon too after they passed laws that will harm small businesses here as wellby spreading the wealth around”

I left Oregon in July to attend law school in the Dallas/Fort Worth area. I love my new home town! I am very happy to bring my income earning skills to a state that doesn’t see me as the enemy!


49 posted on 09/26/2010 9:39:15 AM PDT by Oregon Betsy Ross
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To: mazda77

Yes, bring your snow shovel you will need it for January and February.

Bit also bring your water skis and boiating geer for summer in the lake.

And hiking boots for the amazing flowery springs and beautiful fall foliage

BUT ONLY if Paladino is elected. I think it will spark NY growth and spell the death of the old status quo.

If you have a business you can pay your employees half what they get paid in California and THEY WILL BE HAPPY because the cost of living is so low.

I have a 21 room stone castle with 5 fireplaces, fully finished basement with pool room and bar room, 3 floors, 3 bathrooms, built-in swimming pool on an entire acre of lawn with mature trees and a huge pond in the valley across the street from my house. $450K

Lesser houses in CA sell for a million and a half


50 posted on 09/26/2010 9:40:33 AM PDT by Mr. K (GO! PALADINO FOR GOVERNOR OF NEW YORK!)
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