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To: Biggirl
Good news is that most who serve in the military or in the LO positions are center-right and will not support any, and I do repeat any illegal actions.

Twenty years ago I would have agreed with you 100% but since I have been a teacher in the 4th largest school district in the nation for the past 21 years I have seen this result creeping up on the nation almost unnoticed: The school curriculums across the country in almost LOCK STEP have been drilling into impressionable young minds the idea that gun ownership is a "collective right" and not an individual right. This is done across the curriculum in nearly all subjects where social issues are a matter of class discussion or written assignment. As a result the military personnel at ALL levels who graduated from the public schools find their personal values challenged by the mindset of tyranny as it has been poured into their ears for 12 years of high school and for the officers thru another four years of college. They hold onto the mindset almost subconsciously, but they will also obey lawful orders to a man.

Lawful isn't always moral. Example: Look what happens to the few troops who refuse to obey the lawful but immoral order to deploy as UN Peacekeepers under foreign command on foreign soil. Look at the example of SP/4 Michael new. A lot of his peers told him on the sly that they thought he was incredibly brave and right to do what he did (refuse deployment orders) but they won't follow his example. They don't want to risk the same court martial he suffered and lost. What about lawful orders to confiscate the weapons of the citizens of New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina? A lot of those troops said that they felt bad doing it but they DID faithfully execute the orders. Those were national guard troops, to be sure. BUT the majority of the nation's combat punch is in the various national guards. That has been true for a number of years now. The FL guard has seen about five tours of Iraq. How do you think the soldiers feel when it comes to being told that by virtue of their training THEY should be the only folks allowed to have guns? That's simple psychology.

53 posted on 09/29/2010 7:10:25 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Zombie Hunters: We make dead things deader.)
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To: ExSoldier

You are right, but to an extent. Once things go from bad to worse, and they see they have been had, they, too will turn against Obama and the ruling elite.


57 posted on 09/29/2010 8:41:27 AM PDT by Biggirl (GO UCONN FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!!!! :)=^..^=)
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To: ExSoldier; Biggirl
That training which makes good soldiers is a coin with two sides. We home schooled and our daughter spend a couple of years in public HS in central FL. Because we refused to let the system intimidate and indoctrinate our kid, I was in frequent close contact with the administrative end of the system. The definitions of right, wrong, moral and INDIVIDUAL responsibility and freedom being pushed on kids have no resemblance to what those of us in grade school in the 50s were taught. Pretty much everything is presented in a collectivist perspective. The good of the group, follow orders, and so on. Responsibility is to group authority, NOT to one's self, one's parents even.

In some areas, kids are questioned about what goes on at home and encouraged to report parental behavior that is deemed incorrect by people in the school system. That ain't tin foil hat talk, it happens.

My daughter graduated in 2000, I can guarantee I am still remembered (not fondly) by more than one administration pencil pushing bureaucrat. Many are nothing more than pompous bullies who don't know how to handle a parent that calmly and methodically gives it back to them, in spades. It still brings a smile to me to recall slicing and dicing a couple of them.

59 posted on 09/29/2010 10:29:04 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there.)
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