I predicted a terrorist attack against the USA on our home soil for at least ten years before the 911 attacks. I have been predicting the same thing as Mumbai since the 911 attacks would happen in coordinated attacks nationwide since 911. It even showed up in a Tom Clancy book (The Teeth of the Tiger) and on an episode of Criminal Minds. Think of the traditional start to the Christmas shooping season: BLACK FRIDAY or the day following Thanksgiving. Think of every shopping mall in the nation packed to the gills. Now imagine Jihadis given a prearranged go-code to show up with AKs or whatever at the nearest mall to their location and start slaughtering the infidels. As many folks would be killed in the stampede to exit as would be killed by Jihadi gunfire. It's even possible that many would be killed by the friendly fire of responding police. I carry my Sig (C3 45) everywhere I go, including the mall when I go shopping with the wife (to me a fate worse than death but one I willingly accept every year to make certain she stays safe in unsafe malls) but in FL the decision to limit carrying on private property is largely a matter of county ordinance rather than state law. In Miami dade the law basically reads: Where posted no ccw, IF you carry and are detected by property representatives (security) you may be asked to leave the property. If you return, still armed and are AGAIN detected, you may be arrested for trespass after warning, a misdemeanor. It comes down to landowner policy and I'll violate anybody's POLICY to keep my family safe. But in other states it can be a felony offense...in which case, I'd encourage the wife to do the shopping online.
Imagine a MUMBAI in the malls across the nation on Black Friday. Imagine 50 or 100 teams plus the lone gunmen operating on their own against targets of opportunity. I would think the majority of targets would be in states with tough gun control and packed malls like the northeast and in California. I don't see a lot in states with SHALL ISSUE ccw permits, but it's always possible, I guess. Hence my standard armed condition. I'm almost always armed and carrying a spare mag as well. On those days, I may be armed with a high cap firearm like my Springfield Armory XD 45 compact with 11 in the gun and a 13rd spare mag. The C3 only has 7 in the mag + 1 in the tube. All SHEEPDOGS should be faithfully carrying at all times where lawful and practical to do so (for example as a teacher I cannot and do not carry at work. Not even in my vehicle -- that's a FEDERAL LAW no local ordinance here!). In a Mumbai style attack the first line of defense isn't going to be mall security or even the police, it's going to be those citizens carrying a firearm under permit (or not in certain states like AZ, VT etc.) This is where ccw has it over open carry. Folks open carrying will be targeted and cut down by the terrorists just like they'll target security and cops in the mall as a threat to the operation. But they won't know who is concealing the weapon until it's too late and the lead is flying back in their direction. Even then, we have to be EXTREMELY careful to not harm innocent sheep caught in the crossfire while the attacking wolves will have no such restrictions. Sorry, but that is just the cost of being the SHEEPDOG on duty at the moment. Hopefully there will be more than one on duty when the attack starts. But alone or not, the SHEEPDOGS must respond. I predict that it will be the armed citizen that shuts down the attack in at least one instance. If it does go like that, I think you can safely kiss the gun control movement as a political entity Buh-BYE for a long time.
I agree with you Ex. If these thugs have half a brain, which they likely do - they will be avoiding states/cities with accessable carry/ conceal carry laws and target the liberal bastions like CA, NY and the sort just because they know the sheep will be unarmed.
“This is where ccw has it over open carry. Folks open carrying will be targeted and cut down by the terrorists just like they’ll target security and cops in the mall as a threat to the operation. But they won’t know who is concealing the weapon until it’s too late and the lead is flying back in their direction.”
as soon as the first shot is fired... i think most of the ccw guys will be gun drawn and in low ready.. so that pretty much nullifies that.
you can not win in a quick draw contest from a concealment holster vs a tango with an ak already out and active.
Same thoughts here. Saw this scenario developing several years back, and had it confirmed from a few friends that are more in the know than I. I switched to a 10mm (from a 45)due to flatter trajectory and actually practice a lot at 100 meters as well as 25,50 etc. Fellow Freepers, follow suit(not caliber, but concept). Practice,practice,practice. Follow all laws-get a CC permit. We are the good guys, remember? Start carrying a spare mag as a normal routine. It’s a pain, but well worth it. I like compact pieces, nice ,convenient, lighter,etc. But now that fall is here, back to full size pieces...better range.
Remember the DC sniper? One man and one boy paralyzed the city for weeks. Folks were scared witless.
Imagine TRAINED TEAMS in every major city. ANY soft target. Malls, food stores, schools, etc.
I've tried to warn my friends, but they won't listen.
excellent post