Posted on 10/02/2010 9:43:07 AM PDT by calcowgirl
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Whitman is representative of an emerging Republican type — what you might call the austerity caucus. Flamboyant performers like Sarah Palin get all the attention, but the governing soul of the party is to be found in statehouses where a loose confederation of uber-wonks have become militant budget balancers. Just as welfare reformers of the 1990s presaged compassionate conservatism, so the austerity brigades presage the national party's next chapter.
Mitch Daniels, the governor of Indiana who I think is most likely to win the GOP presidential nomination in 2012, is the spiritual leader. Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey is the rising star. Jeb Bush is the eminence. Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana and Rob Portman, a Senate candidate in Ohio, also fit the mold.
These are people who can happily spend hours in the budget weeds looking for efficiencies. They're being assisted by budget experts from the Hoover Institution, the Manhattan Institute and freelancers like Bob Grady, who did budgeting in George H.W. Bush's administration. Members of the caucus have a similar sense of the role history has assigned them. "This state had a party for 10 years and I'm the guy who got called in to clean up the mess," Christie says.
Christie is the Hot New Thing in the group . . .
(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...
I don't care past history .
I want to stop Moonbeam period.
So tell her not to contact me and I am just fine with it.
Why are you involved in the first place ?
This non stop crap being sent to me sound like their coming from the same poster !
I’m not saying this to make points, but I did observe your posts and it seemed like you were a little off your game here. I think you’ve mis-judged CalCowGirl, and you need to reassess your opinion of her.
Look, CalCowGirl is a positive force here. She does her research and doesn’t go off half-cocked. Over the years she has constantly supported sound policies and political players. Her batting average is as solid as that of anyone here.
When you start posting things like, “She was supporting Brown...”, or she was bothering me, it causes those of us who have observed CalCowGirl’s efforts over the years, to think there is probably something wrong with your take. It just isn’t open to discussion that she is a leftist. And if you object to her contributions, it isn’t likely to reflect poorly on CalCowGirl. She has a proven track record that can’t be skewed by an off the cuff misinterpretation of her motives.
Whitman is not a Conservative. I’m not here to hit her over the head with it, but reality is reality. She’s another fellow traveler of John McCain. And McCain has been willing to consort with some of the worst players when it comes to the sanctity of our nation.
Will Whitman be better than Brown? Right now Whitman is all mouth and braggadocio. She has never held elected office. She didn’t even vote for 28 years.
So impressed with politics, Whitman didn’t bother to vote for important propositions or judges, or politicians. She basically zoned out for at least 28 years, but now wants us to think she is in tune with California’s political needs, and is solid on all the issues she took a pass in reviewing for nearly three decades.
This “Blank Slate” could just as easily have come from Dillweed, New Hampshire for all she knows about our state’s needs. She has had to brush up on the issues that other Californian’s knew from experience. She’s a pretender whose biggest calling card to this point is that she is not Jerry Brown.
If she were to drop dead tomorrow, the biggest loss to the state would be a flat line to slick political add production company, television, radio, print media and consulting firm income streams.
She promises middle-class producers one thing, then marches over to Spanish only groups to promise them something else.
No, I don’t trust Jerry Brown. I don’t because he has a proven track record. He’s a liar. He’s a consummate leftist. He’s part of the reason this state is in such a mess, because it was a-holes like him that laid the foundation for the unionist edifice that were are dealing with today. We don’t need any more of his magic.
Meg Whitman is also a liar. She is not a Conservative. She doesn’t know S from Shinola. She has zero experience in holding public office, having to deal with an opposition party, and was missing in action for 28 years. She doesn’t have the depth to be able to lead our state. The woman couldn’t even make important decisions concerning her own children and who would care for them in her absence. My kids were more important than to leave in the care of a person who knew so little English, and was so easily manipulated.
Neither of these candidates are worth spit.
One of them will wind up screwing this state over. I know what the leftists in this state have brought upon it, but it never ceases to amaze me how blinded Republicans can be, so that when push comes to shove, we are left with a choice between unacceptable and incomprehensible.
We can only blame the Left for so much, before we ourselves have to put up or shut up. And this election, we have once again put up someone I’d like to tell to shut up.
Nutmeg or Moonbeam? California has nobody better than one of these two? I’m not buying that at all.
” She promises middle-class producers one thing, then marches over to Spanish only groups to promise them something else.
No, I don’t trust Jerry Brown. I don’t because he has a proven track record. He’s a liar. He’s a consummate leftist. He’s part of the reason this state is in such a mess, because it was a-holes like him that laid the foundation for the unionist edifice that were are dealing with today. We don’t need any more of his magic.
Meg Whitman is also a liar. She is not a Conservative. She doesn’t know S from Shinola. She has zero experience in holding public office, having to deal with an opposition party, and was missing in action for 28 years. She doesn’t have the depth to be able to lead our state. The woman couldn’t even make important decisions concerning her own children and who would care for them in her absence. My kids were more important than to leave in the care of a person who knew so little English, and was so easily manipulated.
Neither of these candidates are worth spit. “
A+
It really has gotten ridiculous around here. Apparently there is a school of thought that one can and should avoid saying anything but nice things about Republicans and their platforms (no matter how liberal their positions) and spout any old lie that paints the Democrat as the lowest being on earth. Just avoid all meaningful discussion about candidates' true records and throw a bunch of accusations out and see which one's stick. Repeat it enough times and see if it works.
Here's one: Jerry Brown's finance director went on to prison after being caught laundering drug money for the mob through Indian casinos.
Guess what? That one is actually TRUE.
The campaign hacks are LAZY. Brown's fiscal management was probably the most responsible part of his governing back in the 70s. OTHER parts of his record were Horrid! But Meg&Co try to paint him as a tax raiser (while ignoring the record-raising tax increases of her (R)predecessors). It insults the intelligence of people who have lived here all their lives and know California history.
Then we have the idiot Democrats who only know the Mulholland/Allred method of campaigning so we have to listen to weeks of crap about maids and such and never end up talking about issues. Had there been any real content to either campaign, this never could have made headlines for a week as there would be SOMETHING ELSE more relevant to discuss.
Jerry Brown's biggest fault was the people he hired and appointed to important posts and his role in the unionization of public employees. Hey Meg -- what about Rose Bird? And others. I haven't heard a peep about this from pubbies or the media.
Campaigns are no longer about educating voters on issues and candidate positions. They're all about using short soundbites (with nothing to back them up) to railroad the sheep into compliance. When the sheep won't comply, the campaign hacks attack the voters, even those mostly on 'their side'. Dale Carnegie would probably have a few words of sound advice. Too bad politicians and professional hacks all think they know better and treat voters as lowly serfs.
Hello, Tea Party!
“FR is NOT a GOP site, as I’ve told you before. It is a CONSERVATIVE site.
It really has gotten ridiculous around here. Apparently there is a school of thought that one can and should avoid saying anything but nice things about Republicans and their platforms (no matter how liberal their positions) and spout any old lie that paints the Democrat as the lowest being on earth. Just avoid all meaningful discussion about candidates’ true records and throw a bunch of accusations out and see which one’s stick. Repeat it enough times and see if it works. “
It seems to work. We keep getting the same old liberal repubicans, pushed by the GOP and the liberal media. Nothing has changed here, it’s the same EVERY election cycle. A few pick THE primary candidate and those who don’t fall in line or dare to suggest another prospect (no MATTER how good a record they ight have!) are slashed and burned. Been there, done that.
By golly, let's not look at the substance of the issues because we have faceless professional advisors/string-pullers giving us a slickly designed "must-have" product.
Not content with their paid advertisements, these backroom string-pullers send out their often-paid goons to propagandize their product on political websites and to denounce anybody who tries to pull back the Oz curtain.
It's patethic how transparent these goons are.
B U M P !!
Bullshit. She does a better job of documenting her positions than any FReeper I know, including me. Her research is meticulous and from original sources.
Check out her response to me defending Moonbeam Brown and trying to rewrite history about Pete Wilson !
Oh, you mean Meg Witman's campaign manager? You mean the guy who gave us our current "fiscal conservative" Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser? That guy?
Well, now we know where you stand, RINO. No wonder you call ccg a TROLL.
” Not content with their paid advertisements, these backroom string-pullers send out their often-paid goons to propagandize their product on political websites and to denounce anybody who tries to pull back the Oz curtain.
It’s patethic how transparent these goons are. “
One more....
B U M P
Your tagline speaks volumes.
It's part of the "just shut up and take it" attitude of those who think they can control the base by holding the swing vote. This of course means that they will go over to the other side if it suits them but it also means that when a conservative is nominated supporting the nominee suddenly means nothing. Hence, this pitch of "party unity" is both incredible and hypocritical. What is astonishing to me is that they can't fathom the lack of base support after backstabbing us so many times. No wonder they think they can substitute base support with money, so they have to go find rich candidates. Unfortunately, that means they get to wear a "party of big business" label that does us no good, especially when the left is the party of huge business. I guess they think we're just ungrateful.
There actually once were honest California Democrats. Remember Quentin Kopp?
This poster filed a complaint against me on Sat and now is
posting to me again ?
Please note this poster is acting odd and filing strange
false complaints.
If you do not then why do we have to be condemned to live
in a socialist hell that Moonbeam would create.
Moonbean interest in getting back in the Gov office is to KILL PROP 13 .
Prop 13 was created in 1978 when he was Gov then.
He wants to kill it so his unions thugs can reap the benefits of massive prop tax increases .
Prop 13.....yada, yada....
Well, tell ya what. Meg might (I say might, because she changes her positions more often than she changes domestic help!) defend Prop 13, but what difference will it make if she gets to help the other rino’s push through Agenda 21 and other nonsense that she supports??
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2591740/posts?page=21#21
Meg Whitman: I’m A Huge Fan Of Van Jones
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSn37TMXZO8
Meg Whitman: Van Jones Is ‘Doing a Marvelous Job’
[snip]Yes, she appears to be a progressive and has a recorded history of donating to other like-minded progressives like Barbara Boxer and John Kerry. (Note – see info below questions.) Furthermore she did give a generous donation to the Environmental Defense Fund to save the smelt: (http://www.kcbs.com/pages/5706219.php?). The smelt is quite the controversy here in California since saving the fish has caused the Delta water pumps to be shut off in our Central Valley. The Central Valley is our state’s agriculture land and without the flow of water, we are losing over $2 billion in agriculture annually.
From my Whitman research, her support for the delta smelt is aligned with her support of global warming as well. Back in 2008, the former EBay CEO, did join Jimmy Carter, Tom Daschle, Ted Turner and others on a Global Climate Cruise. (http://www.cartercenter.org/news/trip_reports/arctic_July2008.html). Personally I am also troubled by her CFR connections and Goldman Sachs involvement. She resigned from Goldman Sachs after questions regarding the board’s financial records: (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2010/0419/Goldman-Sachs-could-roil-California-governor-race).
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2598685/posts?page=58#58
Thank you for your admission to cluelessness.
Who exactly contacted you to attack me ???
A little bird. If you weren't around here during the recall, then you don't know anything of what we're talking about. Suffice it to say, you really blew it going on attack against ccg. Just because she detests Whitman, doesn't mean she wants Brown to be governor. To equate the two is beyond reason.
LOL. There was a headline (I think here on FR yesterday) that said Snowe and Collins were calling for "unity." Unity, to some, is a one way street.
There has definitely been a transition in the CRP, from rallying base support from the grass roots up, to the hiring of professional advisors and hacks. But I think the base and average voters are recognizing that and pushing back -- which makes the paid hacks get frustrated and start lashing out at the very people they need to attract.
Quentin Kopp? A legend. He's now chairman of the high-speed-rail authority. I don't trust that bunch.
D1 -- you got a way with words. Dead on.
oops... I left you off that ping.
Thanks, C.O.
Topping you is a standard I'm not sure I can keep up over the long term, LOL.
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