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‘One Nation’ Rally: Liberal Media Concludes Size Doesn’t Matter (Beck Rally Crowd Much Bigger!)
Pajamas Media ^ | October 3, 2010 | Charlie Martin

Posted on 10/03/2010 8:10:49 AM PDT by Kaslin

Another exclusive Pajamas Media crowd estimate.

The widely publicized, heavily subsidized “One Nation” rally was Saturday in Washington, D.C. As has been openly admitted by the organizers, which included the AFL-CIO, the SEIU and Obama’s perpetual campaign organization Organizing for America, this rally was held in the same place and at basically the same time of the day as Glenn Beck’s 8/28 “Restoring Honor” rally, specifically to demonstrate the depth of support for the president’s program. The convention organizers had a number of advantages, perhaps the greatest being that the buses bringing in demonstrators were apparently subsidized by the rally organizers.

Some of the initial reports were very positive: the organizers estimated 175,000 to 200,000 attendees, according to Crooks and Liarsreport of “preliminary satellite estimates … at about noon EST [sic].”

(Where do they get these satellite estimates? PJM has been completely unsuccessful finding satellite companies that can give us these sorts of pictures on demand; there isn’t a satellite passing over Washington, D.C., any time you want one.)

Comments from Left Field notes this “more than doubles the 87,000 attendees of Glenn Beck’s Restoring the Honor Rally,” using the CBS News estimate I discussed at length here in August (“You Can See November from the Washington Monument”).

Naturally, we were interested in the topic. Following various crowd estimates has become a running topic of interest at Pajamas Media, starting with my original crowd estimates that began with a “back of the envelope” calculation in a comment at Vodkapundit, followed by a more formal calculation here in PJM (“March on Washington: How Big Was the Crowd?“).

Since then, I’ve built up a fairly well described methodology: we use Google Earth to estimate the area of the crowd from whatever photographs are available, then multiple by several different constants depending on the crowd density. These estimates are taken from published Park Service standards going back at least to the Obama inaugural.

Since the “One Nation” rally was consciously positioned at exactly the same place as the “Restoring Honor” rally, we can compare with my original baseline very easily.

Here’s the crowd perimeter as I drew it with Google Earth:

That area was about 2.4 million square meters. Using the crowd density estimates, we finally arrived at these estimates for the Beck crowd:

Estimate 10 square feet per person 5 square feet per person 2.5 square feet per person
Maximum: 215,000 people

430,000 860,000
90 percent 200,000 400,000 800,000
75 percent

163,000 326,000 652,000
50 percent 108,000 216,000 432,000
CBS News Estimate 87,000 87,000 87,000
40 percent 86,000 172,000

344,000

The assumptions there correspond to the Park Service’s standard for a “dense crowd” of about 5 square feet per person, my estimate of the crowd densities observed in the photos (10 square feet per person), and estimates from people in the most densely packed parts of the crowd (2.5 square feet per person).

All things considered, I think the best estimate, finally, is that Beck attracted somewhere between 250,000 and 400,000 people.

The Associated Press summed it up this way:

Organizers claimed they had as many participants as Beck’s rally. But Saturday’s crowds were less dense and didn’t reach as far to the edges as they did during Beck’s rally.

This is illustrated in these comparative photographs:

Click here for a photo from Saturday’s left-wing rally.

Click here for a photo from the Glenn Beck rally.

Compare and contrast as necessary — as the lawyers say: “the thing speaks for itself.”

It’s difficult to place the edges of the crowd from these photographs, simply because the crowd in that one overhead photo is so far down the picture. However, the grassy area around the Lincoln Memorial is roughly one tenth the area in the full map above. That means the “One Nation” crowd would have been roughly 22,000 to 85,000 people at most.


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KEYWORDS: commierally; crowds; dc; restoringhonor; shrinkage
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1 posted on 10/03/2010 8:10:53 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
"Where do they get these satellite estimates?"

‘One Nation Working Together’ Rally Claims Bigger Numbers Than ‘Restoring Honor’

There is video at the link. It is a lie by the way. There is no Satellite image. It would be on the wires if it existed, especially if it showed what the speaker claimed that this rally was bigger than Beck's.

For a real image go here:

Let’s Compare Aerial Pictures of the 10/2 & 8/28 Rallies

2 posted on 10/03/2010 8:17:59 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Kaslin

The mainstream media,, says “size doesn’t matter”

Snicker,, nothing more to add.


3 posted on 10/03/2010 8:21:44 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Kaslin

Size doesn’t matter to a liberal, because they control the dead vote.


4 posted on 10/03/2010 8:24:56 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Kaslin
Res ipsa loquitur.



Runaway Slave

Apostle Claver tells the world how the real party of racism is the Democrats

5 posted on 10/03/2010 8:25:22 AM PDT by rdb3 (The mouth is the exhaust pipe of the heart.)
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To: Brilliant

They better dig up some more from the look of those pictures.


6 posted on 10/03/2010 8:28:17 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Kaslin

"One half sky? Selective cropping not showing the empty spaces? Oh, I see now. He wanted to get the airliner in the pic."
66 posted on Sunday, October 03, 2010 10:22:01 AM by Walmartian

7 posted on 10/03/2010 8:29:34 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (The 'RAT Party - Home of our most envious, hypocritical, and greedy citizens.)
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To: Kaslin

They had to pay for busses to bring them in & they still couldn’t get anywhere near the crown that paid it’s OWN WAY to Beck’s rally.


8 posted on 10/03/2010 8:30:50 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Kaslin

They had to pay for busses to bring them in & they still couldn’t get anywhere near the crowd that paid it’s OWN WAY to Beck’s rally.


9 posted on 10/03/2010 8:31:14 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Kaslin

liberals are generally ALOT better at doing rallies. I remember I used to hear millions man march articles all the time. The fact that they couldn’t even get above 100k, speaks volumes


10 posted on 10/03/2010 8:32:45 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Testiment to the failure of the Unions and Commie/fascist thugs.

Bet Zero is even more depressed.


11 posted on 10/03/2010 8:32:55 AM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: Kaslin; All


12 posted on 10/03/2010 8:33:54 AM PDT by potlatch
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To: Matchett-PI

As I recall the best shot from Glenn’s rally was taken from the top of the Washington Monument. For some reason I haven’t seen one taken from that same vantage point. Can’t imagine why. /s


13 posted on 10/03/2010 8:34:35 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: potlatch

So much for the environmentalists taking care of the environment.


14 posted on 10/03/2010 8:38:41 AM PDT by Rocko
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To: Marty62

They have claimed they are more numerous, but their support is a mile wide and an inch deep. Things are bad and Democrat party identification is down. There is only so much Union astroturf available.


15 posted on 10/03/2010 8:38:51 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: 4rcane

BTTT


16 posted on 10/03/2010 8:40:07 AM PDT by hattend (Like a termite to wood, Obama only wants to destroy - Mark Levin)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
The engineering eye would conclude from the pictures that commie rally had about 10% of the Beck's rally.

There were statements that if the pool was filled with people, that would be 250,000. Looking at Becks rally, that is at least 3 times area filled with people and I would estimate somewhere between 800,000 to 1,000,000.

Notice also that RAT rally allowed buses to park next to the area, while Becks space was filled with porta toilets.

Now stand by for the “wisdom” spewed at the RATrally.

17 posted on 10/03/2010 8:40:52 AM PDT by Leo Carpathian (fffffFRrrreeeeepppeeee-ssed!)
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To: mainepatsfan

Go here:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/lets-compare-aerial-pictures-of-the-102-828-rallies/


18 posted on 10/03/2010 8:41:04 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Kaslin

BIG difference in crowd density.

The only thing dense in the leftie rally is their heads.


19 posted on 10/03/2010 8:41:34 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Annoying liberals is my goal. I will not be silenced.)
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To: Kaslin

Looks like they had 32 people, a dog and a monkey - all of them had fleas so they might be counting them as well!

Mel


20 posted on 10/03/2010 8:42:32 AM PDT by melsec
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To: Leo Carpathian

No doubt about it, Beck had the bigger rally. Putting bodies in the street was the left’s strong point and they are slipping.


21 posted on 10/03/2010 8:43:51 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Rocko
They do it everywhere they gather. The streets after inauguration were a disgrace. They may even be doing it on purpose now that they know we dislike it.

Pigs!

22 posted on 10/03/2010 8:45:18 AM PDT by potlatch
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To: potlatch
Thank you for these photos, especially the bottom tier one that prove that these guys are even stupider than I thought. Yesterday I posted to a different thread (#49) that I thought that these harangued and coerced attendees would be less than enthusiastic in cleaning up after themselves. Where I was wrong was that I thought that the organizers would make every effort to clean up quickly, having the previous conservative rallies reputation in mind. Now you show that they couldn't even do that much, what a bunch of leeches!
23 posted on 10/03/2010 8:47:48 AM PDT by SES1066 (If you don't vote in November, quit your bitchin!)
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To: Kaslin

“But honey, size doesn’t matter.” Uh, I’m trying remember where I’ve heard that before.


24 posted on 10/03/2010 8:51:02 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from The Right Stuff!)
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To: Kaslin
‘One Nation’ Rally: Liberal Media Concludes Size Doesn’t Matter

Of course not. To the elitist socialist mindset, only a few elites matter. Some pigs are more equal than others.

25 posted on 10/03/2010 8:53:17 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (obama out now! I'll keep my money, my guns, and my freedom - you can keep the change.)
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To: Kaslin
Headline?

North America could have capsized, says Democrat Congressman
Too Many People On One Coast
Asks Mexico to dispatch entire population north to balance continent during rallies for Obama.

26 posted on 10/03/2010 8:54:33 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: SES1066

[what a bunch of leeches! ]

I had not thought of what you wrote about the organizers perhaps making a bigger effort to clean up. They seem to be pigs, just leaving muck behind them everywhere they gather.

I wonder what their home environment looks like.........


27 posted on 10/03/2010 9:00:44 AM PDT by potlatch
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To: Matchett-PI

Yep - the airplane’s a great distraction... /s


28 posted on 10/03/2010 9:04:35 AM PDT by GOPJ (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2589165/posts)
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To: Kaslin

Size DOES matter.

(Infantile weanie libs think if they score some “endowment” money from an NGO, that means they’re “endowed” . . . well, not quite. Sorry, kids. You have to grow up a bit before that will happen.)


29 posted on 10/03/2010 9:05:12 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Kaslin

Looks like we’re not the only ones disputing size!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20101002/wl_nm/us_france_pensions_protests

“Unions said that about 2.9 million had marched, while police said the crowds numbered 899,000. The union figure was about the same as at the last demonstrations on September 23. The police figure was slightly lower.”


30 posted on 10/03/2010 9:05:28 AM PDT by SeattleBruce (T minus 30 days to SMACKDOWN - Tea Party like it's 1773! Pray 2 Chronicles 7:14!)
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To: Kaslin
Look for the union fable....tra la la.....

Leni

31 posted on 10/03/2010 9:11:07 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Are any Americans better off than they were 4 trillion dollars ago?)
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To: potlatch

Y’all ever watch the TV show “Hoarders”?


32 posted on 10/03/2010 9:12:48 AM PDT by Don W (I keep some folks' numbers in my 'phone just so I know NOT to answer when they call...)
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To: potlatch
They do it everywhere they gather. The streets after inauguration were a disgrace. They may even be doing it on purpose now that they know we dislike it.

Someone mentioned yesterday, that this is partly a union thing.

DC trash collectors are union, so their "brothers" can't and won't do another union members job.

That.....and liberals are pigs

33 posted on 10/03/2010 9:15:22 AM PDT by digger48 (Operator here in I)
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To: Kaslin

Apparently a lot of people were in line for the bathroom when they took the photo.


34 posted on 10/03/2010 9:17:24 AM PDT by cyclotic (Boy Scouts-Developing Leaders in a World of Followers.)
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To: Kaslin
I think most SEIU members take up more than 5 sq ft per head.

Photobucket

35 posted on 10/03/2010 9:19:25 AM PDT by digger48 (Operator here in I)
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To: Don W
I don't watch ‘regular’ TV, but am very familiar with what hoarders do. It's a kind of sickness that seems to become uncontrollable. Perhaps socialism falls into the same syndrome?
36 posted on 10/03/2010 9:21:29 AM PDT by potlatch
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To: Kaslin

Obama did not stop by LOL read the comments after this article

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/02/a-weekend-away-for-the-first-couple/

The MSM in a online news search of ONE NATION RALLY PHOTOS is saying they had TENS of THOUSANDS. How many were truly there?

More pictures of they’re trash.

related thread

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2600577/posts


37 posted on 10/03/2010 9:23:11 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Kaslin

One question. Is this the first wave? Will they all be there for the Jon Stewart rally plus whatever the comedian and Obama can draw? Maybe they think it will be a one two knockout punch. I wouldn’t be surprised by such a devious followup plan right before the election.


38 posted on 10/03/2010 9:23:54 AM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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To: DesertRhino

The media says size does not matter now because they are socialist commiecrats and thug union bullies that say ONE NATION and omit we are UNDER GOD.


39 posted on 10/03/2010 9:25:22 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: digger48

[can’t and won’t do another union members job.]

That’s amazing! “Can’t and won’t do another’s job - I guess that fits in with expecting the government to do things for them.

They were bussed in, they didn’t make their own signs, they were given box lunches, I heard some were ordered to go and some were paid to go. Disgracefull people!


40 posted on 10/03/2010 9:29:47 AM PDT by potlatch
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To: potlatch

They looked like they all got new tee shirts too.


41 posted on 10/03/2010 9:37:39 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: mainepatsfan
As I recall the best shot from Glenn’s rally was taken from the top of the Washington Monument. For some reason I haven’t seen one taken from that same vantage point. Can’t imagine why. /s

You would expect that SOMEBODY, whether Fox News, Breitbart, some some private individual would have gone up there and taken pics, and they would have appeared on the web by now. Was there access to the Washington Monument during the rally?

42 posted on 10/03/2010 9:38:46 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: PapaBear3625

Look here:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/lets-compare-aerial-pictures-of-the-102-828-rallies/


43 posted on 10/03/2010 9:44:06 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

[They looked like they all got new tee shirts too]

Yes, lol, I forgot to mention that! Shoot, it was just a big picnic for them, with everything paid for and some freebies too!

Whatta sham, and the MSM goes along with it trying to make it look like a really big thing.


44 posted on 10/03/2010 9:44:14 AM PDT by potlatch
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To: melsec

Lol, my best laugh of the day......so far!


45 posted on 10/03/2010 9:45:24 AM PDT by potlatch
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To: DesertRhino

Well it’s what their wives have been telling them for years, so naturally, they’ll come to that conclusion here.


46 posted on 10/03/2010 9:47:00 AM PDT by RockinRight (if the choice is between Crazy and Commie, I choose Crazy.)
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To: DesertRhino

Well, the liberals were all set to have a p***ing contest about the crowd sizes of Beck vs. this joint liberal group rally.

If the liberal groups had gotten a bigger crowd, that would have been a big part of the story. It would have been played up as showing that more support the liberal/radical groups than support Beck and conservatives, etc.

But since the liberals can’t win that p***ing contest, they have decided that the crowd size doesn’t matter after all.

I can’t wait for the Jon Stewart rally on Oct. 30th. More liberal stuff to hear. Though in Jon Stewart’s case, it will be a liberal comedian making fun of conservatives.

Jon Stewart’s rally may well backfire as much as Stephen Colbert testifiying to Congress backfired. Comedians have their time and place, but there’s no way Jon Stewart can expect to be taken seriously as a serious commentator. Yet that’s exactly what he wants to do.


47 posted on 10/03/2010 10:04:40 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: potlatch

That’s pretty much what I was thinking: these people are so blinded by ideology that they can’t see the results of their ideas. The repeated failures of leftism is only because “THEY” weren’t the ones in charge...

It’s sad, and frightening at the same time.


48 posted on 10/03/2010 10:06:38 AM PDT by Don W (I keep some folks' numbers in my 'phone just so I know NOT to answer when they call...)
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To: Kaslin

Thanks for this posting! Interesting and the crowd comparison photos are excellent! A lot goes into estimating crowds, but nothing says it all like an over-head photo! ( As long as the photos were taken at approximately the same time of day. )


49 posted on 10/03/2010 10:07:25 AM PDT by Republic (The entire White House presidential team needs to grow up and face facts!)
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To: Kaslin; stephenjohnbanker; Quix; M. Espinola; EggsAckley
Well -- DUH (!) -- our corrupt corporate media lie about everything. They lie all the time. They at the drop of a hat -- reflexively -- to prop up the usurper president Barry Soetoro aka Barack Obama. . . . LOL, LOL !

Do you guys out there in media land recall the event pictured below _______ ? ?

British Paper Reports Up to Two Million Protest Against Obama in Washington D.C. -- Very First "Tea Party"


Almost Two Million People Protest Against Obama in Washington D.C.

British Paper Reports Up to Two Million Protest in Washington D.C.

Time Lapse Video of 9-12 Patriot March from 8 AM to 11:30 AM


The March Was Scheduled to Begin at 11:30 AM. People Started Showing Up At 8:00 AM Until After 1:00 PM. The Camera Was Turned Off at Exactly 11:30 AM. Hundreds of Thousands More Were Gridlocked On Freeways and Trapped By Traffic


Lying U.S. Media Reports Bogus Numbers !

C-Span Video Shows Enormous Crowds in DC

Slanted ABC News Reports Only 60,000 - 70,000 Showed Up

USA Today: Tens of Thousands Rally in D.C. Against Federal Spending



50 posted on 10/03/2010 10:09:47 AM PDT by ex-Texan (Ecclesiastes 5:10 - 20)
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