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Democracy on Trial: Geert Wilders Goes To Court (criminal charges for insulting Islam)
Forbes ^ | Oct 3, 2010 | Abigail R. Esman

Posted on 10/03/2010 9:03:38 AM PDT by PapaBear3625

It may well become the trial of the century: this week, Dutch MP [Member of Parliament] Geert Wilders stands before the judge on charges of “sowing hate” through his speeches and writings about Islam.

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For Wilders, however, its timing could not come at a more strategic moment. As the founder and leader of Holland’s far-right Freedom Party (PVV), Wilders is not only Holland’s most controversial politician, but also its most-favored, ranking higher in the polls now than it did after a sweeping victory in parliamentary elections this past June. Moreover, just last week, after months of debate, the Dutch parliament finally settled on a new coalition government that will include support from the PVV under Wilders’ leadership.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: geerwilders; holland; indutch; islam; netherlands; thedutch; thenetherlands
Wilders has to live under 24-hour security because of Islamic death threats over his writings and films exposing the threat from Islam.
1 posted on 10/03/2010 9:03:43 AM PDT by PapaBear3625
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To: PapaBear3625

The only truly just ending to this case would be the imposition of the death penalty on Wilders’ accusers and the judges who agreed to even hear this case.

Anything less will be a travesty of justice.


2 posted on 10/03/2010 9:11:11 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: PapaBear3625

Interesting. If the plaintive wins, what would make the point loud and clear to Americans would be the verdict if Christian Churches sued for the insults it has suffered inreasingly in America!!!!!


3 posted on 10/03/2010 9:17:12 AM PDT by Paperdoll (Socialism is Suicide!)
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To: samtheman
The Dutch trial will be held in a courthouse not far from where Dutch film maker Theo van Gogh was brutally murdered by a Muslim over making a film (Submission) that depicted Islam negatively.

Geert Wilders political mentor was Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn, also murdered over his anti-Islam stance.

4 posted on 10/03/2010 9:30:06 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: PapaBear3625

The judges were absolute jerks to bring this to trial. Wilders wins if he’s exonerated, and he wins if he’s convicted and made a martyr.

And exactly what was his offense? Telling the truth? Allowing the Muslims to convict themselves out of their own mouths, chanting their own Koran verses, and engaging in terror activities? There isn’t an abomination in the movie Fitna that isn’t spoken or chanted by the Muzzies themselves. Or a trainwreck or corpse for which they weren’t responsible.


5 posted on 10/03/2010 9:32:43 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: PapaBear3625

The verdict will depend solely on whether the judges have the guts to stand up for western freedoms. A loss will be license for more of this crap to happen throughout the west, including the United States.

It’s time for all of the west to stand up to those out to destroy our institutions, our way of life and our values.


6 posted on 10/03/2010 9:34:56 AM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: Joan Kerrey

>It’s time for all of the west to stand up to those out to destroy our institutions, our way of life and our values.<

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Tell that to Congress — so far, all that it has been doing is watching the destruction of our Western values without having any interest to stop the process.


7 posted on 10/03/2010 9:43:40 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: PapaBear3625

There are several YouTube speeches by this brave gentleman.

I say “brave” because it is a fact that critics of Islam have been attacked and killed in Holland.

Check the videos out.


8 posted on 10/03/2010 9:44:23 AM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Europe is past the tipping point.The verdict will be “guilty”.


9 posted on 10/03/2010 9:52:46 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (''I don't regret setting bombs,I feel we didn't do enough.'' ->Bill Ayers,Hussein's mentor,9/11/01)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Europe is past the tipping point.The verdict will be “guilty”.

Obi-Wan: You can't win, Darth. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.

If Geert is imprisoned over insulting Islam, this may be the last straw for many Dutch.

10 posted on 10/03/2010 10:03:45 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: PapaBear3625

World-wide, million of people ‘insult Islam”.

Are they going to hold a (reverse) class action trial against all of those people????

GOOD LUCK


11 posted on 10/03/2010 10:05:37 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: PapaBear3625
If Geert is imprisoned over insulting Islam, this may be the last straw for many Dutch.

I suppose that's possible....but highly unlikely.IMO we're about 20 years "behind" Europe when it comes to bowing to The Religion of Pieces so it's understandable why we'd have trouble comprehending a nation/continent that's so far "ahead" of us.

The fact that they even have a *law* that allows him to be put on trial should give us an indication of how bad things are there.

12 posted on 10/03/2010 10:15:33 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (''I don't regret setting bombs,I feel we didn't do enough.'' ->Bill Ayers,Hussein's mentor,9/11/01)
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To: PapaBear3625

Glen Beck called Wilders a fascist just for the record....and more.

I am not a 100% Beckite...more like 50% ..just for the record (who cares I know..lol)


13 posted on 10/03/2010 10:20:08 AM PDT by wardaddy (the redress over anything minority is a cancer in our country...stage 4)
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To: PapaBear3625

As stubbornly ignorant as leftists tend to be, there is a chance that they will actually sentence Wilders to a nominal time in jail, and thus the circle will be complete in an ironic and bizarre mirror image.

“Hitler began the dictation of Mein Kampf while imprisoned after his failed Putsch in Munich in November 1923.”

So Hitler violently tried to overthrow the government, and wrote his book of hate while imprisoned, his popularity growing by leaps and bounds, which allows his party to become a major force in the elected government.

Wilders is peacefully elected, his party becoming a major force in the elected government, and now could become wildly popular while imprisoned for opposing a book of hate.

Somewhere the gods of irony are having one heck of a laugh.


14 posted on 10/03/2010 10:23:07 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: PapaBear3625

In a sane world this trial would be followed as closely as the OJ trial.

But this is not a sane world.


15 posted on 10/03/2010 11:32:11 AM PDT by moodyskeptic (the counterculture votes R)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
As stubbornly ignorant as leftists tend to be, there is a chance that they will actually sentence Wilders to a nominal time in jail, and thus the circle will be complete in an ironic and bizarre mirror image.

I think it unlikely that they would be so stupid as to actually put him in jail. More likely, they will fine him.

If they find him completely not-guilty, the Muslims of Holland will riot, thus proving his point.

16 posted on 10/03/2010 12:23:03 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: PapaBear3625

I never bet against stupidity. There is no telling how far it will go.

Ask yourself, if the Democrat leadership could put Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck in jail, even for just a few months, on trumped up charges, would they do so?

I doubt the Netherlands socialists are any more sensible.


17 posted on 10/03/2010 12:41:23 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: PapaBear3625

So is he facing a beheading or a firing squad for the glory of Islam?


18 posted on 10/03/2010 12:53:49 PM PDT by Soothesayer (“None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license...")
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To: PapaBear3625

insulting Islam??????? what about Islamic terrorism and genocide?


19 posted on 10/03/2010 12:56:08 PM PDT by therightliveswithus
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To: Cicero

The crazy Muslims and leftists are probably the best thing that ever happened to Gert Wilders.

They are too stupid to realize that they are helping to support his case against Islam.


20 posted on 10/03/2010 12:56:32 PM PDT by Soothesayer (“None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license...")
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To: Soothesayer
So is he facing a beheading or a firing squad for the glory of Islam?

Per the article that started this thread, he faces up to two years in prison for "inciting racial hatred" or some such. Many European countries instituted such laws after WW2 to prevent new Nazi-like movements, and the Muslims use the laws to go after anybody critical of Islam. Of course, those laws can not be applied against Muslims.

21 posted on 10/03/2010 1:42:56 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: wardaddy
Glen Beck called Wilders a fascist just for the record....and more.

If Wilders is a fascist, then maybe we need more fascists.

Glenn Beck doesn't spend any time negatively mentioning Islam. Perhaps the large block of stock that that Saudi prince owns is a factor.

22 posted on 10/03/2010 1:48:32 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: PapaBear3625
The Dutch are saying enough is enough. The are stripping islam of it's religion front and calling it what it is: a despotic controlling socio-political system bent on total control of the individual and society with total lack of freedom and using religion as a cover. No more!


23 posted on 10/03/2010 2:01:06 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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From the article: "And so it is not just Wilders whose future is as stake, but that of Western civilization, of the ideals which are our guiding light. Agree with Mr. Wilders’ views or not, one can only hope, then, that the judges whom he faces will uphold his right to speak them; and from the courthouse steps out onto the streets, across the canals of Amsterdam and beyond, that they will defy those who try to silence him, with the sound of freedom ringing."
24 posted on 10/03/2010 2:13:34 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: PapaBear3625
criminal charges for insulting Islam

ISLAM IS AN INSULT!

Where do they get off charging him with a "crime" for pushing back against the common enemy of all freedom loving people.

The moslems have freedom of speech but he, a native Hollander, doesn't?

25 posted on 10/03/2010 2:49:38 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate: Republicans freed the slaves Month.)
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To: wardaddy

Go Figure - Glenn Beck calls the ‘Glenn Beck’ of Europe a fascist.

Except for the fact that ‘Glenn Beck Wilders’ is an intellectual and elected politician who fights for his country instead of cries about it.


26 posted on 10/03/2010 4:04:23 PM PDT by A'elian' nation ( I miss Calvin Coolidge.)
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To: Art in Idaho
Geert Wilders speaks in Berlin about Islam
27 posted on 10/03/2010 4:39:50 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; blueyon; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; ...

Thanks PapaBear3625.


28 posted on 10/03/2010 6:10:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: PapaBear3625
Geert Wilders speaks in Berlin about Islam. Great link and great speech. Thanks for posting.
29 posted on 10/03/2010 7:15:08 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Cindy

Aren’t the Muslims a tolerant and pluralistic people?/s


30 posted on 10/03/2010 8:23:39 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Obama's more worried about Israelis building houses than he is about Islamists building atomic bombs)
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To: PapaBear3625

Why is it that in the Netherlands (and England), it is a crime to insult Islam but not a crime to insult Christianity?

Are these judges drunk all the time or just most of the time?


31 posted on 10/03/2010 9:35:28 PM PDT by cookcounty (Dec 31st is coming: .....Stop Obama's Midnight Jack-Up!)
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To: Cicero

I haven’t seent the movie, so I can’t really comment on it, but if even telling the truth can be construed as an “insult”, then there really isn’t a lot of hope.


32 posted on 10/04/2010 12:29:06 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: cookcounty
Why is it that in the Netherlands (and England), it is a crime to insult Islam but not a crime to insult Christianity?

A cynic might suggest that is because the usual Christian response to insults re their dearly held beliefs is an angry (and often very badly written) letter or email to the offenders, whereas the typical Muslim reaction is to declare a Fatwa against them, shoot them, behead them and blow them (and others) up. In other words, the guiding light is pure fear.

This is a dangerous development, irrespective of your political or religous allegiances. If people get it into their heads that the only (or even the best) way to get what they want is to threaten (or commit) violence, expect more of the same.

33 posted on 10/04/2010 1:18:51 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: cookcounty
Why is it that in the Netherlands (and England), it is a crime to insult Islam but not a crime to insult Christianity?

Because Christians don't burn the town down, and cause massive losses to corporations overseas operations when they're insulted?

In any event, the trial has started in Holland: Dutch MP rejects hate speech claims:

"I am on trial, but on trial with me is the freedom of expression of many Dutch citizens," Mr Wilders, set to become a shadow partner in the next government, told the Amsterdam district court.

The controversial politician with his trademark shock of dyed blonde hair told the court he was being persecuted for "stating my opinion in the context of public debate", adding: "I can assure you, I will continue proclaiming it."


34 posted on 10/04/2010 4:45:45 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: Vanders9
I haven’t seent the movie, so I can’t really comment on it, but if even telling the truth can be construed as an “insult”, then there really isn’t a lot of hope.

It's short (17 minutes) but powerful and available on youtube Fitna

35 posted on 10/04/2010 4:50:38 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: SunkenCiv
Geert Wilders trial halted as lawyer accuses judge of bias
36 posted on 10/04/2010 7:59:25 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: Vanders9

Well, it’s well worth a watch. About 15 minutes, and it’s beautifully done. It keeps moving around the web because people are very anxious to exterminate it. But there appears to be a copy of Part I here, and a link to part II.

Worth a watch:

http://livesteaua.com/view/BgQdZgojOFI/fitna-part-1-4-english-geert-wilders/


37 posted on 10/04/2010 8:00:13 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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