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Sen. Hatch Proposes Border Security Bill
Center for Immigration Studies ^ | oct. 3, 2010 | Janice Kephart

Posted on 10/04/2010 1:59:28 AM PDT by jdirt

If you care about illegal immigration, how bout calling your Senators and ask that they co-sponser this bill?

Senator Hatch Drops a Helpful and Thoughtful Border Security Bill

By Janice Kephart , October 3, 2010

Amongst all the chit-chat by the Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano and President Obama about it being time for Congress to "step up and do something on immigration," Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) has. That being said, I'm pretty sure Sen. Hatch's bill does not reflect this administration's checklist of priorities, but it should. Why? The bill is thoughtful and provides remedies to problems either swept under the rug by this administration or exacerbated by Obama administration policy changes.

The Hatch bill, "Strengthening Our Commitment to Legal Immigration and America's Security Act", provides a host of "plugs" to current immigration failures that would go a long way to helping America take the reins on a soaring border security problem. At the moment, the administration tells us that a sealed border is not possible and that another terrorist attack is likely inevitable. The capitulation evident in these comments indicates that there is little interest in doing what we can to secure America. Sen. Hatch knows this is not true, and his bill reflects a commitment to law enforcement and protection of natural resources that is refreshing. In his floor statement when he introduced the bill late in the day on September 29, 2010, he set the tone as follows:

We can make progress by starting with the laws that already exist. My bill would enhance our core immigration and enforcement laws for both legal and illegal immigrants. . . . There is much work to be done before the border is properly sealed. I continue to work with and support my colleagues whose states are located along the Southwest border. They know what resources we need to deploy to secure the border.

While Utah is not a border state, we still share the same concerns of our neighbors along the border. However, our problems result from a residual effect of a porous border and a breakdown of our immigration enforcement system.

For years, I have been saying most immigration problems could be solved if we would enforce the laws on the books. Unfortunately, the current Administration continues to explore ways to exploit current law and score political points.

During the past several months, the Obama administration has been holding behind-the-scenes talks to determine whether the Department of Homeland Security can unilaterally grant legal status, on a mass basis, to illegal immigrants via deferred action and parole. If the Administration is successful, it would be the equivalent of back-door amnesty for millions. For this reason, my bill specifies that an alien may only be paroled or granted deferred action on a case-by-case basis – not en mass - the way these laws were intended to be used.

Drug Cartel Activity on Federal Lands. Sen. Hatch requires the Director of National Drug Control Policy to develop a "Federal Lands Counterdrug Action Plan." The plan would set forth the Government's strategy for preventing the illegal production, cultivation, manufacture, and trafficking of controlled substances on federal lands by Mexican Drug Trafficking Organizations and other criminal elements. Marijuana cultivation on federal lands receives an aggravated penalty. In addition, organized crime figures become ineligible for a U.S. visa and mass amnesty is not permitted. This combination of closed loopholes eliminates the possibility of organized criminals obtaining a visa in the hope of receiving amnesty once in the United States.

The concern over federal land abuse by the drug cartels is well-founded. For the past year, the Center, through my series of films, has been addressing this issue in my mini-documentary series as follows:

•Hidden Cameras on the Arizona Border 3: A Day in the Life of a Drug Smuggler (September 2010), which focuses on drug cartel travel methods through Arizona's federally owned land using both hidden camera and my footage of the most violent drug corridor in Arizona. •Hidden Cameras on the Arizona Border 2: Drugs, Guns, and 850 Illegal Aliens (July 2010), which features footage of both illegal-alien entry as well as gun- and drug-smuggling, all on federal land. •Hidden Cameras on the Arizona Border: Coyotes, Bears, and Trails (July 2009), which raises questions about environmentalists' focus on stopping a border fence, when endangered species and vegetation have already been proven to suffer significantly where no fence exists. Abandoned vehicles, drug drops, illegal groups trekking and camping, along with the predictable human waste and immense litter left behind, have destroyed fragile Arizona ecosystems. ID theft. Sen. Hatch is the first Senator to provide a badly needed upgrade to statutory language enabling federal prosecutors to go after identity thieves fully under the aggravated identity theft criminal code, using language changes I proposed in Fixing Flores: Assuring Adequate Penalties for Identity Theft and Fraud. In addition, victims of Social Security number identity theft — in this context likely by illegal aliens or document mills selling to illegal aliens seeking U.S. jobs — will be notified by the Social Security Administration within 60 days that their number was used in an attempt to gain employment. This simple procedure would enable victims to curtail potential harm done by fraud, especially children who are often unaware of the fraud until they reach the age of majority.

Exit tracking. Sen. Hatch mandates a departure system for foreign visitors, otherwise known as an Exit system, based on the successful pilots I also emphasized in my opening remarks at an Exit symposium held by the Center in June 2010. Our key findings included:

Congress, and those involved in the Exit symposium, tend toward agreement that Exit can be valuable for both immigration enforcement and security purposes. However, these objectives can be in conflict (although they need not be). All agreed that the purpose of Exit must be clearly defined. The group also agreed on the need to break the Exit problem down into manageable pieces, especially given the universally acknowledged challenges at the land border.

The most manageable point to begin Exit implementation is likely airports, as shown in the most recent June 2009 pilot programs at Detroit and Atlanta international airports. Airlines refused to participate in the pilot programs, reiterating the emerging agreement that Exit, like entry, is primarily a government function. Both programs successfully used border inspection personnel to take biometric Exit data, at the jetways (in Detroit) and TSA checkpoints (in Atlanta).

I highlighted the operational value of an Exit system in The Complete Immigration Story of 9/11 Hijacker Satam al Suqami.

287(g) and Secure Communities. Hatch's bill requires that local and state law enforcement participate in either Secure Communities (aimed at properly identifying and removing convicted criminal aliens in prison) or 287(g) programs (whereby trained law enforcement are able to query immigration data upon arrest of a criminal alien) as a condition of receiving reimbursement for incarceration expenses under the State criminal Alien Assistance Program (SCAPPA) — a solid incentive to achieving full participation. The value of these two programs is a force multiplier for better assuring a legal immigration demographic but also, and arguably more important, a safer United States.

The potential worth of 287(g) to enabling law enforcement to make good decisions during routine traffic stops - as was missed with three of the 9/11 hijackers and more recently in 2009 with a young visa overstay who sought to blow up a large building in Texas (see Dallas Would-Be Bomber Hosam Smadi: The Case for 287(g) and Exit Tracking) — is essential. (The value of 287(g) remains despite the fact that the Obama administration no longer permits immigration queries on routine traffic stops). Secure Communities is a pivotal program for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and a tool that should not be voluntary. Sen. Hatch here has taken another seemingly obscure but significant issue — that of securing all communities across the United States against recidivist violent illegal criminals — and given communities a reason to comply: do so, or we take away your incarceration funding.

Thank you, Sen. Hatch. Your proposed legislation is thoughtful, and helpful. Sometimes it takes the courage and experience of a senior lawmaker to get a "tough" issue right.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; hatch; illegal; illegalinvaders; immigration; immigrationreform; invasion; senate; smokeandmirrors
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1 posted on 10/04/2010 1:59:33 AM PDT by jdirt
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To: jdirt

Deportation. Nobody wins in 2012 without coming out in favor of it.


2 posted on 10/04/2010 2:05:19 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: jdirt

Don’t count your Hatches before they chicken!


3 posted on 10/04/2010 2:37:12 AM PDT by RushingWater
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To: wiggen

A support a path to deportation.


4 posted on 10/04/2010 2:45:36 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Worldwide Press Spin, Nov. 3rd? "America is RACIST(sic)". Take that to the bank. Ink already ready.)
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To: jdirt

This is total BS. Hatch is a deal maker like most of the Republican leadership. We need to wait till the new congress sets things straight and fossils like face lift Hatch can take up marbles.


5 posted on 10/04/2010 2:47:47 AM PDT by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: jdirt
It's just not good enough. The invaders are criminals by their very being here, and they should have to leave the country never allowed to return for any reason.

Besides that, Hatch's bill responds to the problem that used to exist. Now, after that weekend shooting, we should be at war with Mexico. Drones into Pakistan? How about drones and taking over the southern border of that lake?

Hatch is "an hour late and a dollar short" on this, and one of the reasons the problem has become as bad as it is.

6 posted on 10/04/2010 2:52:18 AM PDT by grania
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To: RushingWater

lol!


7 posted on 10/04/2010 2:54:43 AM PDT by South40 (Filled with hatred for those who disagree, democrats are the most intolerant bigots on earth)
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To: jdirt

My senators are pro-amnesty, liberal wanks Boxer and Feinstein. I’d call them but doing so would be fruitless as I know they both support and want amnesty.


8 posted on 10/04/2010 2:58:04 AM PDT by South40 (Filled with hatred for those who disagree, democrats are the most intolerant bigots on earth)
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To: jdirt
Any bill that suggests illegal immigration be seriously addressed is gourmet veto bait under the current executive tyranny.
9 posted on 10/04/2010 3:05:55 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("America is in the womb of the Leftist--will she be reborn to glory or sucked down into the sink?")
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To: jdirt

It’s both Halloween and election time. Hatch, the RINO, is pulling out his conservative costume.

I hope Utahans will dispatch this guy like they did Bennett.


10 posted on 10/04/2010 3:14:26 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: jdirt

We’re coming for you next Orin, Tea Party conservatives are going to change the way they do business in D.C. You can’t hide, Orin.


11 posted on 10/04/2010 3:15:15 AM PDT by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever)
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To: RushingWater

I thick old Orrin Specter, I mean Orrin Hatch saw what happened to his electric car driving buddy Bennit there in Utah. I’d love to see Hatch get upset next time he runs.


12 posted on 10/04/2010 3:16:08 AM PDT by Paddy Irish
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To: grania
'we should be at war with Mexico. '

Nothing is stopping Texas from doing that :

Section 10: No state shall, without the consent of Congress, lay any duty of tonnage, keep troops, or ships of war in time of peace, enter into any agreement or compact with another state, or with a foreign power, or engage in war, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent danger as will not admit of delay.

But, the border reveals the myth of terrorism. If the US was at War, the borders would be militarized. Obviously, special interest overrule the citizens of this country. That applies to both parties.

Illegal aliens have killed, raped, & harmed more Americans than terrorist have. Yet, nothing is done about it.

13 posted on 10/04/2010 3:34:31 AM PDT by Palter (If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it. ~ Mark Twain)
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To: South40

fire them


14 posted on 10/04/2010 3:38:28 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: grania

Hatch represents the RINO/Kennedy version of US politics.

Hatch’s “red” state of Utah is one of 3 (along with Oregon and Wash.) in which illegals can stroll right into the DMV and get a photo driver’s license without even troubling to present forged documents. Sure, that’s a state law not federal, but it epitomizes the flaccid go along, get along culture of Hatch and Ted Kennedy that has produced or exacerbated so many of our current problems.

Hatch needs to go at the next election.


15 posted on 10/04/2010 3:42:38 AM PDT by Enchante ("The great enemy of clear language is insincerity." -- George Orwell --)
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To: Paddy Irish

“I thick old Orrin Specter, I mean Orrin Hatch saw what happened to his electric car driving buddy Bennit there in Utah. I’d love to see Hatch get upset next time he runs.”

Hatch isn’t going to make it out of the Utah Republican Convention in 2012. The Tea Party has strong representation among the party delegates. He won’t even be a candidate, and he knows it.


16 posted on 10/04/2010 3:55:48 AM PDT by Gum Shoe (You live to serve this ship. Row well, and live.)
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To: jdirt

Anyone who trusts a single damn thing Hatch does or says is a sucker.


17 posted on 10/04/2010 3:59:06 AM PDT by djf (It is ISLAM or "We, the People..." Take your pick. THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND!!!)
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To: jdirt
DEPORT them all... if they run... kill them... if they get up... Zombieland rule #1... double tap.

LLS

18 posted on 10/04/2010 4:39:53 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: jdirt

hatch will be removed from office like all rinos... one of these days.

LLS


19 posted on 10/04/2010 4:40:59 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: RushingWater

“Don’t count your Hatches before they chicken!”

You got that right. Hatch finally for once showing some stones in behalf of a conservative cause. Hmmm,I wonder if Teddy took his black-mail picture of Hatch with him? Probably not, probably passed it on to Kerry...


20 posted on 10/04/2010 5:17:24 AM PDT by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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To: jdirt

But Hussein says to make every illegal who will have been here long enough to be naturalized by November 2012, a citizen!

Actually he said ‘those who have been here 2 years’, just so we don’t ALL figure out his true motive.


21 posted on 10/04/2010 5:19:47 AM PDT by Future Useless Eater (Chicago politics = corrupted capitalism = takeover by COMMUNity-ISM)
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To: jdirt

The only way to stop the illegals is to change our welfare system, which in many cases are controlled locally by the kin of the immigrants or maybe the illegals them selves in the border states

But of course no one wants to change the welfare system because most people has a family member living high off the hog on social services so if they change it then these people would have to take care of their own and their illegal offspring.

There will always be people who need help, but our welfare system has become ridicules, lets get back to the basics, beans, potatoes and other staples, not a blank check.

Most people on welfare today eats better than the average working person did 50 years ago, if they were starving how did they get so fat? so the tax payers buy their food and they spend their money on toys, 4 wheelers, computers, cellphones, etc. not to mention giving their money to the drug lords.

An illegal coming to the united states the first time, especially if they have a relative in the social services would feel like they were going to the big rock candy mountains, do you blame them? they have not been spoiled rotten like the welfare generation in this country.

Hatch or no one else is going to try to over haul social services because they know which side their bread is buttered on, by the very people who are hollering about the illegals.


22 posted on 10/04/2010 5:22:45 AM PDT by ravenwolf (Just a bit of the long list of proofs)
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To: RushingWater
Don’t count your Hatches before they chicken!

I wonder why this buffoon (Hatch) doesn't demand that the LAWS already on the books be enforced?

23 posted on 10/04/2010 5:32:32 AM PDT by dearolddad
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To: RushingWater

You are so right!! Hatch is just as chicken as all the others.


24 posted on 10/04/2010 5:54:32 AM PDT by jch10 (Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war...)
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To: jdirt
Sorry Sen Hatch, but .. WRONG ANSWER. Here's how we 'secure the border' and take back the part of the USA that the Mexican Drug Cartels have 'claimed as their own territory' (Really. how disgusting is that!).

We all know by now of the semi-newly created 'Northcom', the United States Northern Command, that's stationed right here in the good ole USA. They're also called the Pentagon's 'Homeland Defense Agency' (pretty neat, huh.)

Well, don't be shocked Sen, but how about we use IT exactly for that? Like we send some units down to 'Injun Country' to ferret these maggots out.

  1. We reconstitute some LRRP teams. From the Rangers and/or from the 1st Cav - like in the early days of Vietnam. We also organize some teams from Army SF Group, even reactivate a few SF Groups if req'd, and also from Marine Force Recon Units and natch, Sniper Teams.

  2. After we get these 'boys' organized at a Base Camp on the outskirts of 'Injun Country', we let them loose to; 'do the things they do'. In short - take out the bad guys. (Cry Havoc! .. and let slip The Dogs of War)

  3. To run things and be in overall command as to mission ;objectives, we set up another old fave like MACV-SOG (a different name, natch). They answer to no one but a Lt Gen from Northcom. And Security Clearance would be ABOVE Top Secret. This gives the ijits and Brass Hats in DC plausible deniability if someone accidentally shoots a Rancher's Prize Bull.

  4. Lastly as to their 'Mission Objective'. That's easy, it's two words -- 'Black Flag'.
In a few months the Mexican Drug Cartels would be history. There'd also be no coyotes smuggling illegals by the truck load and no 'assault weapons going south' (/s). The Border would be sealed tight as a drum. And if things shift to the Gulf and/or West Coast we get the SEALS involved. And it doesn't violate the Posse Comitatus Act as they won't be doing 'Law Enforcement work' and arresting US Citizens.
25 posted on 10/04/2010 6:01:08 AM PDT by Condor51 (SAT CONG!)
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To: jdirt

Any ‘Rat enabler like Orrin Hatch, who wrote and performed a song praising his ‘dear friend’, the late Fat Teddy K, is NOT to be trusted.


26 posted on 10/04/2010 6:01:28 AM PDT by mkjessup (FR is a "RINO FREE ZONE" See RINO-supporting activity? See RINOs? Turn 'em in!!)
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To: jdirt

Exit tracking system?

We need an Entrance Tracking System first and foremost.

Hatch is like McCain — they both seem to just be waking up to the fact that we even have a border and even have trouble on/near it.

The best solution for the border problems is to retire all those old codgers who have been on Capitol Hill for a decade or longer and have done nothing but create more problems than they have actually resolved.


27 posted on 10/04/2010 6:06:51 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: jdirt

Same old D.C. scam a hack wants to have a bill passed but knows it won’t happen but it keeps the people in line,see last thirty years.


28 posted on 10/04/2010 6:16:51 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: jdirt
Down the Hatch.

Utah is, surprisingly, one of the states that doesn't do real id for its drivers licenses

"On February 16, 2007, Utah unanimously passed a resolution that opposes the REAL ID Act. "

29 posted on 10/04/2010 6:47:10 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: jdirt
If you care about illegal immigration, how bout calling your Senators and ask that they co-sponsor this bill?

If Hatch really gave a damn, why is he only submitting this bill now, just before election and lame-duck session? Why didn't he or other Republicans put this in at the beginning of this year? Submitting it now guarantees nothing will come of it. Hatch, you're playing Politics again.

30 posted on 10/04/2010 6:59:07 AM PDT by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: theDentist

Orrin isn’t up for re erection till ‘12 however, I’m thinkin he wants to be aligned with the new conservative appearance that the other rinos are now dawning.

What we did to ole Bob Bennett may be guiding some of his actions...


31 posted on 10/04/2010 7:41:54 AM PDT by Pete-R-Bilt (Don't drive (comma optional) stupid!)
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To: jdirt

911 Tape Released in Mexican Pirate Attack on U.S. Couple

Published October 03, 2010 | FoxNews.com

FOX NEWS.COM

A Colorado tourist was shot in the head and thrown from his jet ski as his wife frantically tried to dodge bullets and escape from Mexican pirates marauding on a U.S.-Mexico border lake, according to a transcript from a 911 call released Saturday.

Search teams over the weekend combed the U.S. side of Falcon Lake for David Michael Hartley, 30, whose wife told police he was shot in the the head Thursday after being ambushed by gunmen on boats.

The gunmen are suspected pirates who have turned Falcon Lake, a water-skiing and bass fishing hotspot down the border from Laredo, into uneasy waters for fishermen and boaters. There have been at least five reported run-ins with pirates on the lake this year, though prior holdups had never been deadly.

In a 911 call made to deputies on Thursday, Tiffany Hartley, 29, describes how her husband was thrown off his Jet Ski after he was shot in the back of the head. Hartley told authorities that she was forced to leave her husband in the water as pirates in three boats fired shots at her.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/10/01/search-teams-seek-man-shot-mexican-waters/print


32 posted on 10/04/2010 7:42:03 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Pete-R-Bilt

re-election or not, Hatch is playing politics.


33 posted on 10/04/2010 8:03:30 AM PDT by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: jdirt; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...

Ping!


34 posted on 10/04/2010 8:23:26 AM PDT by HiJinx (I can see November from my front porch - and Mexico from the back.)
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To: Palter
But, the border reveals the myth of terrorism. If the US was at War, the borders would be militarized. Obviously, special interest overrule the citizens of this country. That applies to both parties.

Actually America IS at war. The politicians refuse to accept the truth of this so the American people are much more ulnerable than they even suspect.

We have to fight with the only weapon we have....the vote...Nov 2, 2010.

35 posted on 10/04/2010 9:01:22 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Obama - Arrogant, blaming, incompetent, anti-American, Muslim,racist, and Marxist....Is that enough?)
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To: RushingWater
Dittos LOL!!!
36 posted on 10/04/2010 10:28:17 AM PDT by investigateworld (Torah is written in and on the hearts of all men ..........(Now at 1776x2,com))
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To: wiggen

Do you really believe we’re going to go around and round up 12 million people and ship them back?

I’m not asking if we should, I’m asking if you think it’s even possible?

I don’t. The problem is and has been a failure to enforce the border. The idea of the US running around knocking down doors to nab people isn’t going to fly. I live in So. Cal and have to deal with the problem daily. It’s a major issue and nothing bothers me more than the immigration problem. The crime issue, the cost on social services, etc, etc. But the idea that we’re going to deport people is not going to carry the day in my opinion. At least not in the sense of some proactive initiative to root people out.

I’m sure I’ll get blasted for these comments. Blast away.


37 posted on 10/04/2010 10:57:06 AM PDT by SideoutFred (B.O. Stinks...it really does)
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To: SideoutFred
Do you really believe we’re going to go around and round up 12 million people and ship them back?

It would actually be better if we did it to all of the 20-30 million illegal invaders.

38 posted on 10/04/2010 11:28:42 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: jdirt
Without proof of citizenship, you get:

No welfare

No education

No medical care

No police service

No legal representation

No job

No citizenship status for any children born here

No driver's license

No Spanish-language anything

A one-way cattle-car ride to the border and an encouraging cattle prod on your behind while facing south


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

39 posted on 10/04/2010 11:51:34 AM PDT by The Comedian ("Progressive" is a code word for "Pending nitrogen cycle contributor")
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To: SideoutFred

Well, this is the way it is. We are victims of our representatives because they will pass amnesty and there is nothing we can do about it.

Of course they won’t call it amnesty, tell that to the people who are waiting patiently to come here legally.

If they were put at the back of the line, the illegals here now would never get citizenship in their lifetime because of all the Latin Americans waiting. So they will basically get special treatment because they broke the law. Also if we counted all the Latin Americans here, we would find that the quota has been met for the next several 100 years.

furthermore if 100% of all representatives and senators voted for amnesty, there wouldn’t be anything we could do about it, there is nothing we would do about it.


40 posted on 10/04/2010 12:10:44 PM PDT by jdirt
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To: AmericanInTokyo

We need to deport or imprison ALL illegal aliens,including their anchor babies, seal/secure the border with a WALL and have a lethal response to anyone who tries to re-enter illegally.


41 posted on 10/04/2010 12:26:49 PM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: South40

“My senators are pro-amnesty...”

So is every Republican contender for POTUS.

We’d better start finding one who isn’t.

NO AMNESTY OF ANY KIND FOR ANY ILLEGAL ALIENS....PERIOD.


42 posted on 10/04/2010 12:35:57 PM PDT by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote! DeMint, 2012)
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To: South40

“My senators are pro-amnesty...”

So is every Republican contender for POTUS.

We’d better start finding one who isn’t.

NO AMNESTY OF ANY KIND FOR ANY ILLEGAL ALIENS....PERIOD.


43 posted on 10/04/2010 12:36:06 PM PDT by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote! DeMint, 2012)
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To: jdirt

Any immigration reform legislation MUST include and END TO BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP.


44 posted on 10/04/2010 12:37:55 PM PDT by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote! DeMint, 2012)
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To: Palter
engage in war, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent danger as will not admit of delay.

Wow. I haven't read that since college, when that "unless actually invaded" clause probably seemed silly. The governors have an obligation to protect their citizens, yet they're waiting for federal approval? How can the feds possibly win the case against AZ, if AZ actually calls up the National Guard. And that border lake? That's a no-brainer. By this clause, the gov has to call up the national guard, doesn't he?

45 posted on 10/04/2010 12:58:40 PM PDT by grania
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To: jdirt

When Hatch went to the Senate in 1977 to replace the liberal Frank Moss, he was considered one of the body’s most conservative, serious members. Then EMK learned his weakness: fondness for celebrities. Hatch was never the same since. Remember in 1998, when he went on cable TV to “BEG” his friend Bill Clinton to “come clean” about Monica Lewinsky? What an utter embarrassment he was to himself, but people in UT did not understand. I wonder too if UT people will figure him out by 2012.


46 posted on 10/04/2010 1:05:33 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Rush was right when he said America may survive Obama but not the Obama supporters.)
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To: Kimberly GG

Romney and the Huck supposedly don’t care for each other, but they are the same on illegals. So is Palin!


47 posted on 10/04/2010 1:07:11 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Rush was right when he said America may survive Obama but not the Obama supporters.)
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To: Pete-R-Bilt

I guess if the perks in D.C. weren’t so fabulous, old Orrin G. would give us all a tongue-lashing, UT style, and just retire. He could be a full-time singer then.


48 posted on 10/04/2010 1:10:03 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Rush was right when he said America may survive Obama but not the Obama supporters.)
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To: wiggen

The govt. knew right immediatly Meg Whitman’s maid was illegal—they even sent Whitman a letter telling her so (the one being waived around by Allred). How? The SSN provided did not match the name.

You want to really cut illiegal immigration off at the knees? Pass a law that requires employees have a VALID ssn/name MATCH before any money is paid the employee by the company. No match, no money. That would cause illegals to start self-deporting pretty quickly.

Cheap, easy, and practical.

Notice that nobody is actually proposing anything like that? I’m convinced that the forces that benefit from the status quo are so powerful that they are preventing any practical solution. Build a fence—sounds great, but is it practical? Round people up and deport them—not even its supporters think it is practical.


49 posted on 10/04/2010 1:43:27 PM PDT by Brookhaven (The next step for the Tea Party--The Conservative Hand--is available at Amazon.com)
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To: Condor51; All

See this article and find out how all this is happening.

Wilderness: Expansion and (Unlawful) Beneficiary Use

[snip]” Today, the environmental groups and the cartels have a continuing mutual interest in the land. The wilderness areas and the large federally managed lands offer opportunities for each. To the environmental camp, the designation of wilderness remains the gold standard for preserving lands into perpetuity. To the cartel camp, the designation of wilderness is continuing to be the gold standard for delivering drugs across the border onto American sovereign territory.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2600903/posts

ALSO. Our retired border agents have a better ‘reform’, but sell outs like Hatch won’t listen to them. Hatch is pulling a ‘cover my butt’ on this one for all his past pandering.

Border Patrol veterans speak out
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2601255/posts


50 posted on 10/04/2010 2:33:51 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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