Posted on 10/07/2010 10:31:29 AM PDT by FTJM
Wendy is wrong about the evidece there was a witness on shore who saw her being persued by the boats and heard shots.I don’t think this one is a ruse.Tody there was also a guy on who said the same thing happened to him last year on the same lake but luckily he says his boat was faster than their’s were.
Then I see three possibilities. One she is telling the truth, he was shot and kiled and the perps grabbed the jet ski and his body. Two, she might have done it with help from across the border. Three, its a fake death to collect insurance money. What is the current state of the couples finances? I wonder.
I have not seen how much life insurance he had.
Also, her husband appeared to be more than twice her size - she is tiny. If this event happened as stated, I would think the chances of her being able to pull him up onto her jet ski from the water would be nil, although I guess she might have tried in a panic before fleeing.
The “kill switch” is a key that is attached to the vest. If the rider falls overboard, the key is pulled out and the jetski stops.
It’s a safety feature.
Yes, you can...I saw a “slammed” jetski on Lake Palestine this summer, it had a pair of fuzzy dice, and a small steering wheel so you could drive it with handcuffs on...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2XsOel24fg
If they did this against a Russian citizen, Putin would have already sent in Spetznaz to go after the killers.
She said in her original interview that she rolled him over and could see that he was shot in the head and that he was not alive.That is why when she couldn’t get him onto the ski she left him behind.He was already obiviously dead like most major gunshot head wounds you can see they are nt alive.
"According to recent Facebook postings, although the couple could not agree on furniture tastes, they recently purchased a house full of it just after a luxury cruise and visit to a seminar for those experiencing financial difficulty".
Oops.
My question was about a kill switch on his life jacket. Most jet skis have a kill switch lanyard worn around the wrist. I couldn’t find a link to a kill switch on a life jacket, and am interested in seeing it.
This is the same left-winger who still claims the Duke Lacrosse players are guilty.
This story is being spun by the leftist press because it politically damages the odds of amnesty for illegal aliens and 20 million new Democrats.
“Like gangs on land, punks on water don’t kill randomly. They kill for money, they kill for revenge, they kill when drug deals go bad - and they sometimes kill by accident as when a kid gets caught in the crossfire of a shootout between rivals. But they don’t just walk around town shooting people in the head. “
Really? What town does Wendy live in? I think I’ll move there.
The equivalent on land is driving around in a nice car...with the added dimension of the criminal desiring not only its monetary value, but also its utility to the thieves/pirates. Now...do “gangs” kill for vehicles? Ever heard of a carjacking?
I can see how a jetski, especially a “top of the line” model as described by the husband’s mother would be a valuable target for PIRATES. They are fast, they are quiet, they are nimble, they are fuel efficient, and they are hard to spot. One would be absolutely perfect for 3 men to use to rob the presumably well off Americans who live on the lake. So for those who keep asking “why would pirates rob people on jetskis,” the jetski alone could easily be the answer. If we had roving bands of land pirates working the nation’s interstate system, would you question why fast cars were being especially targeted? Would you say...no land pirate would ever target some guy in a corvette, I mean, it’s only a two seater.
“First, there is no evidence, other than Tiffany’s word, that her husband was even on the water at all, much less in a jet ski getting shot in the head.”
Nice. Wendy just called her a liar...based on Wendy’s word since she admits the lack of evidence. Very classy. Is the jetski missing? I’d say that’s certainly circumstantial evidence that her husband was on the water. It proves nothing, since any adult would hopefully be smart enough to dispose of the jetski...but disposing of the jetski brings up a whole new set of problems. But it is something that should interest the police and no doubt already has. I wonder, does Wendy know if the jetski is indeed missing?
“And if they DID do that in this case, which is possible in theory, it makes no sense that they managed such a precise execution in the skull of a man while he was zipping along on a jet ski, but somehow couldn’t even graze the jet ski of the guy’s wife even as she was stopped, as she said she was, trying to lift her husband’s body from the water.”
Strange things happen quite often when people start shooting at each other. Even stranger things happen if the people shooting happen to be skilled shooters. According to Tiffany, there were 3 boats attacking them. Wendy’s assumption it would take a “sharpshooter” to make the shot shows her ignorance. It would take a hell of a shot. Someone like a SEAL, who actually practices shooting from moving vessels at moving targets. If it isn’t something you have as part of your skillset, I’d wager my money on 3 to 12 drunk Mexican pirates making the shot before you did...only because they’d be firing wildly and be relying mostly on luck. Also, Tiffany claims that the pirates didn’t shoot at her, but came up to her and held (I believe) a pistol to her head. Some question why they wouldn’t kill her...without being crude about I’d suggest that a pirate/bandit/criminal would be inclined to capture a woman alive because he has other thoughts on her potential value.
“Maybe the pirates are sharpshooters — but they sure can’t be sharpshooters ONLY if they’re aiming at husbands. She says she doesn’t know why she was spared. That makes two of us — I mean — two million of us. Random killers don’t develop a conscience in the middle of an execution.”
This is some really bad reasoning. Perhaps they had a reason not to want to kill the young woman? Perhaps her husband was hit only because freakish things happen when men starting emptying rifles at other men? Two million of you? Nice. A former prosecutor executing the dreaded argumentum ad populum.
“It’s possible Tiffany is telling the truth, but as a matter of simple common sense it just doesn’t ring true. And while lots of people are in a justifiable anti-Mexico mindset for a host of reasons related to illegal immigration, drug cartels, etc., let’s not let a pretty little housewife exploit our political sentiments to dupe us into believing outright absurdities.”
Now nice of you to allow that Tiffany is telling the truth, Wendy. Wendy slips and reveals her true agenda here...she’s worried about bad press for Mexico and her beloved illegals.
“But the simple truth is, when a wife or husband dies or goes missing in suspicious circumstances, the spouse SHOULD be the key suspect because they’re almost always responsible. Unless and until they can be ruled out — they should be ruled in — and Tiffany Hartley has yet to be ruled out.”
I agree completely. But it isn’t your job, Wendy, as part of a for profit media conglomerate. Being paid to trash a woman who MIGHT have just lost her husband makes you a type of mercenary whore. That responsibility lies with the local officials. I find this opinion piece to be in poor taste, considering the admitted lack of evidence, and how recent the events in question were. It smacks of tabloidism.
I don’t have a dog in this fight other than the desire to correct what I see as logical fallacies. If Tiffany is responsible, she has to be one of the most psychotic criminals in history. There are a hell of a lot of ways to off your mate that don’t involve TV cameras, a witness, appeals to the POTUS, Mexican pirates, and jetskis. I’m inclined to believe her until further evidence presents itself because I know that criminals, let alone pirates, don’t live by our rules.
Anybody who has seen this woman on TV can't (if they are half-way intelligent) doubt her story.
She told Grethchen that her husband loved and watched "Fox and Friends" every morning.
These are "nice" people.
It has nothing to do with being suspicious.
Ditto here on Susan Smith, etc. What do you think about Darlie Routier?
We have a jet ski. It has a “key” that has to be inserted in the proper place, and then a button pushed to actually start it. The “key” is permanently attached to a spiraled “bungee cord” type thing with a clip on the end. When we ride, that clip is attached to a hook on the life jacket. I don’t suppose it would have to be, but it’s done that way for protection in case we fall off...in which case it would yank the “key” from the ski and it would shut off.
I’m sure that is what they are talking about...it make sense to me anyway....
Well, that seems to be in dispute. The one unidentified "witness" says he DID NOT HEAR GUNFIRE, but that he saw her racing toward shore on her jet ski.
There is no disputing she "raced to shore".
I've seen many jet skiers "race to shore"..(just sayin).
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