Secret Selling of Halal Meat in the U.S.

Human Events ^ | October 16, 2010 | Pamela Geller

[TigersEye]

Allah, and all of its other transliterations, is just a word for God. Just as God is a word for God. Neither are names of God. Except to Muslims who I guess are your ultimate authority.

I suppose you also think homosexuals are the ultimate arbiters of the meaning of the word 'gay' too. If those are the kind of authorities you want to bow down to then knock yourself out.

[TigersEye]

If you exclude all other Christian concordances and websites, this action implies your belief that Aramaic is the only language with any authority since that is the only one you 'will stick with'.

I didn't exclude, or mention in any way, other Christian concordances. Your making things up which is commonly known as lying.

[TigersEye]

Not only did I not mention any other Christian concordances I was responding to your source, prophtesofdoom.net. So, what I said was, I will take a Christian concordance written for the Aramaic language over your nutball prophetsofdoom.net. I made no other comparison.

[conservativegramma]

Allah, and all of its other transliterations, is just a word for God. Just as God is a word for God.

That is simply false as I've tried to show you over and over. And no, Muslems are not my authority. But Muslems are apparently your authority because you keep repeating the same myths that they started.

My authority is through archeology and historical research. Again.....as I've tried to show you. Allah was the NAME of pre-islamic pagan deity. Allah can not nor ever be the common name for God anymore than Yahweh is the common name for God. They are SPECIFIC proper names, not common names. We can go through this over and over but apparently you prefer to wear blinders.

If you want to continue to ignore historical research in your persistance to equate Allah/Hubal/Baal as Yahweh of the Bible knock yourself out but you look like a fool.

[TigersEye]

Yes a QUOTATION. And its not many portions, its a few portions, stop exaggerating.

How can posting an exact quote that is very specific, which you then agree with, be an exaggeration? Do you know the definition of exaggeration? You called a single word statement 'fragmented' so you probably do have trouble with definitions of English words.

As far as the Peshetta text goes, when you come up with a 1st century original manuscript that you can post online that specifically uses 'Allah' as a common name for God rather than a proper-name you have a case, ...

Your comprehension is dismal. I said it is a 'word' for god not the 'name of God.' Just as God is a word for God not the name of God. Sheesh!

You are the one who keeps saying that Allah is a name of God and your cited authorities are Muslims. Oh, yes, you also cite pre-Muslim Arabs using the Aramaic word for god, allah, as a word for their god or gods. Well, duh, if you speak Aramaic you use the word 'allah,' or one of its many iterations. Just as people who speak English use the word 'god' for any god they speak of.

[TigersEye]

If Allah is merely another word for God then why do Muslems object to non-muslems using it??

If Muslims are the authority on language you want to trust that's your problem.

[aruanan]

Yes, folks, if you’re in Europe, and in many areas in America as well, the meat you are eating is probably halal, unless you’re keeping kosher. In a little-known strike against freedom, yet again, we are being forced into consuming meat slaughtered by means of a barbaric, torturous and inhuman method: Islamic slaughter.

Geez, most animals are slaughtered in such a way that the animal is first stunned and allow to bleed out via its own heart pumping leading to death through cerebral anoxia. The only difference between this and halal or kosher slaughtering is that in the latter two methods the animal is not necessarily stunned.

Many Muslim authorities permit electric stunning of cattle, sheep and poultry, whose meat is destined for Muslim communities, because the animals subjected to this stunning method would recover if no bleeding was carried out. Electric stunning is also the method of choice in meat exporting countries where stunning of slaughter animals is required by law, for export to Muslim countries. Similarly, Muslim minorities in countries with stringent animal welfare regulations are allowed to use Halal slaughter methods, but in combination with electrical stunning.

Any kind of prestunning for livestock to be slaughtered according to the Jewish Kosher method has not yet been accepted.

We can only hope that some time during the last 10 years after the above paragraph was written (04/2001) the Jewish Kosher slaughter practitioners will have joined the Muslims and everyone else in the use of stunning prior to bleeding as a more humane form of slaughter.

[TigersEye]

Uh no. Not letting you get away with inserting your words making them mine. My reply in Post 67 never included the phrase, "You are ignorant." That was YOUR phrase found in the preceeding post #66 so stop lying.

Yes, that's what she said. She did not claim you said it.
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[conservativegramma]

Not only did I not mention any other Christian concordances I was responding to your source, prophtesofdoom.net. So, what I said was, I will take a Christian concordance written for the Aramaic language...

That would be 'Prophets' not 'prophtes'. And no, that is not the only website I gave you and you replied 'websites' in your pathetic quote calling them morons, so you yourself affirmed plurality. Ummm so yeah you were responding to all of them.

You can stick with concordances written specifically for syriac christians to your heart's desire, but it doesn't change the fact that these are not the only reliable sources. In fact even the majority of syriac scholarly opinion is that the Koine Greek pre-dates the Peshitta texts. Your view that only the syriac texts are valuable is a minority view even among the Syriacs! This narrow mindedness on your part is far more nutball than anything written on prophetsofdoom or answering-islam.

[TigersEye]

You didn’t quote any concordance. You sure don’t seem able to follow any point.

[aruanan]

Christians should care. It’s not just how they slaughter the animal. It’s also dedicated to Allah as an offering. Christians may want to read the Bible to see how God feels about eating something that has been offered to idols.

Hey, I know, let's actually do that:

4So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that an idol is nothing at all in the world and that there is no God but one. 5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords"), 6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

7But not everyone knows this. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat such food they think of it as having been sacrificed to an idol, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled. 8But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.
--I Cor 8:4-8

It doesn't make any difference at all.

[TigersEye]

Your view that only the syriac texts are valuable is a minority view even among the Syriacs!

That is another deliberate distortion of what I have said. You are a very dishonest person.

[aruanan]

What is the difference between this method and the kosher method of slaughtering, say, a lamb?

No practical difference except, as of April 2001, kosher method didn't permit stunning the animal first.

[aruanan]

I think that if we unknowingly eat meat that has been offered to other gods, God will forgive us.

It's not even considered to be a sin. Eating it doesn't alienate you from God. Not eating it doesn't bring you closer to God. I Cor 8:3-10

[aruanan]

We slaughter our rabbits, chickens, ducks, and turkeys by slitting the throat and letting them bleed to death. Never heard of lethal injection, though. Do not think that would be a good thing with the addition of chemicals? It looks to me that Halal and Kosher are pretty much the same slaughter methods.

They are, except that as of April, 2001, at least, halal slaughter allowed the use of non-lethal stunning, kosher did not.

[conservativegramma]

Your comprehension is dismal.

Speak for yourself. You twist everything I say. Sort of like arguing with a liberal. Its really comical.

I said it is a 'word' for god not the 'name of God.'

Ah we're getting somewhere! That is EXACTLY the point! Allah is NOT a 'word' for god - IT IS A NAME! That is historical fact and not from Muslem sources either! Did you ever hear of the Encyclopedia Brittanica?

"Allah is found ... in Arabic inscriptions prior to Islam" (Encyclopedia Britannica, I:643)

ARE THEY MUSLEM? This is laughable. LOL! No self-respecting muslem would ever affirm that Allah was the name of a pre-mohammedan deity. NONE of the archeologists I have pointed you towards are muslem -rofl.

Well, duh, if you speak Aramaic you use the word 'allah,' or one of its many iterations.

Oh here we go again repeating more myth. TODAY that might be so, that was not the case pre-Mohammed. I asked you to show me contextual evidence. You have not done so.

I want you to show me an image of a 1st century aramaic manuscript such as the above Magdalen Papyrus which dates between 30-70 A.D. Then I want you to show me from that 1st century fragment where it specifically shows Allah being written as just a 'word' for God. Please note as well that this papyrus fragment dates to the 1st century and its not written in Aramaic - its koine Greek. And this fragment is not the only one dating to the Apostolic era - ALL of them are koine Greek - NONE Aramaic. Knock yourself out trying.

[conservativegramma]

That is another deliberate distortion of what I have said. You are a very dishonest person.

rofl. You should know, you've been deliberately distorting eveything and every link I've said and given you. Practicing projection?

Prove me wrong - post a pic of a 1st century New Testament Aramaic text showing Allah being written as just another 'word' for God.

[TigersEye]

No self-respecting muslem would ever affirm that Allah was the name of a pre-mohammedan deity.

I thought you weren't citing Muslims as your authority? LOL

[pandoraou812]

You are ignorant & a liar. Plus you twist words. I did call you ignorant & now I am calling you a simple minded ignorant fool. Just like I have said from the beginning of all the posts to you. Since you like to call names I can think of a few for you. But we aren't into personal assaults here on FR are we? Calling me Whoopi when I am white & I am not a fan of hers is an insult. Do you often call people of different races black? AS I told you and I told you more then once I don't call GOD by any other name but GOD. I told you to knock off trying to twist TigersEye's words & portray him as someone who he is not. Yes, I sure did call you ignorant etc & I stand by that & I think you are an ignorant word twisting fool who is now using race calling as insults. Again I will tell you to knock it off. I can think of a few FReepers who are no longer posting who you easily remind me of. Your posts are saved also. You are off subject on this thread too. So you hijacked the thread for your own purpose & to be a trouble maker who enjoys what she is doing. Now you are making your insults racial too. Since you do not know me & do know Whoopi so well I can only think you must be a huge fan of The View & get your talking points from those ladies. I would wish you a nice day but frankly I just wish you would STFU & get back on the subject of the thread but I doubt you can do it since you are a lying word twisting insulting person who is clearly getting off on insulting other FReepers & hijacking threads. Enjoy yourself gramma. I am just happy I don't have a gramma like you & that my children were never subjected to a person like yourself.

[pandoraou812]

Sorry I forgot to ping you & used your name. I am very sorry to have pulled you back into a thread that you clearly were done with. Funny thing is that I’ve agreed with that insulter about some of her statements but she chose to ignore those facts. I would laugh but my cold is worse.