Skip to comments.Doctors Will be Fined or Jailed if they Put Patients First
Posted on 10/30/2010 12:18:30 PM PDT by goldendays
Obamacare Endgame: Doctors Will be Fined or Jailed if they Put Patients First by Dr. Elaina George If Obamacare is completely implemented, doctors will no longer be practicing medicine. They will instead become the drones tasked with deciding who gets the meager healthcare crumbs doled out by the bureaucrats who have the ultimate power over patient life and death. Those who are deemed to have illnesses that require treatments which are not cost effective can expect a one way ticket to a hospice.
Like so many bills passed by Congress, there was a hidden provision in the Stimulus bill passed in 2009. It spends 1.1 billion dollars to create an important piece of the framework for the healthcare bill called the Coordinating Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research. It is based on the false premise that doctors in consultation with their patients dont have the ability to make the right healthcare choices (see executive summary). The council consists of 15 people appointed by the President. They all have one thing in commonthey are all isolated from day to day patient care; and therefore, are insulated from the real practice of the art of medicine. It makes it easy to see patients as a cost center to be controlled. With views of members like Dr Emanuel, who champions the complete-lives system, it is hard to ignore the probability that senior citizens, those with chronic illness, and the very young will be on the outside looking in. This council is another example of the people of this country being told by the government that it knows what is best for us. The framework set up by the stimulus bill merely set the stage for the implementation found in the healthcare reform bill. How can the government get doctors to participate in Obamacare thereby a) willingly destroying the doctor patient relationship, and b) betraying their Hippocratic Oath to provide treatments that they deem to be effective? Simple fear and intimidation. A second board created by the stimulus bill called The National Coordinator for Health Information Technology will determine treatment at the time and place of care. They are charged with deciding the course of treatment for the diagnosis given by the doctor. Now it becomes obvious why there has been a big push towards the implementation of universal electronic medical record use. It becomes a tool to completely control the physician and the patient. Those physicians and hospitals that choose to practice individualized patient care in consultation with their patients will be punished because they are not meaningful users of the system over time. Beginning January 1, 2013 penalties for doing the right thing for a patient will cost the doctor $100,000 for the first offense and jail for the second offense. This will have a chilling effect and may be the straw that completely breaks the foundation of good medicine the doctor patient relationship.
46% of physiciansin a survey by The New England Journal of Medicine stated that they would leave the practice of medicine if Obamacare was implemented. This will only further decrease the quality of healthcare when the 30 million more people enter the system. Maybe thats why there is a big push in the healthcare bill to increase the number of other providers such as physician assistants and nurse practitioners.
There is no question that rationing will become our future. If you add 30 million more people into a system with fewer resources how could you possibly avoid rationing?
Perhaps those members of Congress who passed this nightmare dont care since they made sure that it wouldnt apply to them.
Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research Membership
Recovery Act Allocates $1.1 Billion for Comparative Effectiveness Research
Must be repealed and guilty parties punished brutally.
I so wish someone with the skills would put together a video short of Obama, Pelosi, Biden, et.al during the healthcare debate saying that everyone saying you would be able to keep your doctor and there would be no rationing and it will be cheaper for families, And theta anyone who says otherwise is LYING FOR POLITICAL REASONS.
And then show the giant reversal where now he and they say “”Of coarse there will be rationing, what do you expect”. And outline how people are already loosing coverage and thus their doctors, and the giant jumps in premiums.
There are elderly people and many others out there that still don’t get it
It would be such a slam dunk and the material is so easy to find
Just a few decades ago, Physicians routinely worked all of their lives; even though many could have afforded a well-earned retirement. Within my group of Internists w’ subspecialties some of the partners were working full time into their 80’s then the younger doctors began to retire at 65 or left medicine altogether, with the advent of Medicare’s low reimbursement and piles of regulations.
The practice is now comprised of young, immigrant physicians. The in-house lab and x-ray facilities are closed and tests contracted out. Too much red tape and too little payment.
Assembly line medical care - they really need a union!!!!
Have you looked at Dr. Janda’s video posted above? He pretty much spells it out.
Repeal this communist POS!!
This is the provision that doomed HilaryCare.
Assisted suicide: a wealthy elite will push vulnerable people to premature death
Reasonable law for any oppressive tyrannical (or Liberal-run) State.
We have the same scam going on in canada, BC province to be exact. A committee will choose life or death for you. That’s why I know personally canadians who are crossing the border for treatment but you never almost read about it because the canadian feds have capped the stories to make their socialist utopia sound like wonderland.
Dr. Jane Orient
Your Doctor Is Not In
She combines her experience with Medicare, her education in public policy, and a lifetime of practicing internal medicine, to detail exactly what national health care will be like, and why mixing political appointees with patient care won't produce a better system.
Highly recommended for those who are concerned about this issue, and great background information for those who'll be stuck with the task of “fixing” Obamacare.
Here is a rebuttal to Janda’s statements. Not saying which side is right, but we need to check things out before chasing rabbits down a long path.
WE NEED Congressional hearings in 2011 to fight BIG BROTHER! Any better reason to de-fund NOW than this!
You know, I really wish people would stop calling this “Obamacare.” “Care” is a word with a decidedly positive connotation, and I hate to see it attached to Barack Obama.
It is a “government health care takeover,” and that is the nomenclature we should use.
If we must use the word “care,” we need to tell it like it is and call it “Mugabecare.” The entire system is patterned after Mugabe’s government health care takeover in Zimbabwe. And by the way, thanks to Mugabecare, there are virtually no hospitals left — and the average doctor makes what translates into 32 cents a month.
"... senior citizens, those with chronic illness, and the very young will be on the outside looking in. This council is another example of the people of this country being told by the government that it knows what is best for us.
The framework set up by the stimulus bill merely set the stage for the implementation found in the healthcare reform bill.
How can the government get doctors to participate in Obamacare thereby a) willingly destroying the doctor patient relationship, and b) betraying their Hippocratic Oath to provide treatments that they deem to be effective?
Simple fear and intimidation.
A second board created by the stimulus bill called The National Coordinator for Health Information Technology will determine treatment at the time and place of care.
They are charged with deciding the course of treatment for the diagnosis given by the doctor. - Now it becomes obvious why there has been a big push towards the implementation of universal electronic medical record use. - It becomes a tool to completely control the physician and the patient. - Those physicians and hospitals that choose to practice individualized patient care in consultation with their patients will be punished..."
[There are elderly people and many others out there that still dont get it.]
Article, check out # 10, too.
Not quite what you asked for but still good..
Is this the vid where he predicts that 40% of doctors will quit if/when Zero-care starts?
EFF THEM ALL!!!
Will the new insurance cover Proctology? Because I’m going to need an Obama-ectomy by the time this is all implemented!
The ones responsible for this evil deed won’t even have to abide by it.
“Not saying which side is right, “
Which side is BO on?
I’m actually experiencing a form of socialized health care at the family clinic. Galling really. I feel for the doctors. The perk is that my assigned doctor is this wickedly attractive Polish Dr. Bakaev. So there ARE perks to this. A dazzling, handsome doctor with a Polish accent and Polish accents drive me wild.
Thanks for the ping; post; thread. OUTSTANDING!
From womb to casket they’re in your face.
Life, liberty and the pursuit and destruction of totalitarians.
3 more days!
When you put it that way. :)
There have been so many hyped up stories, that I’m wanting to get second and thirds sources for videos and statements from our side before I will believe them.
When we make outrageous claims and lift up those that make outrageous claims, we look foolish when they are later proved to have not gotten their facts straight.
AuschwitzCare with the same outcome. This must be repealed or we can all bend over and kiss our rears goodbye.
Send the link to this thread to your entire address book.
These quotes below are from Ezekiel Emanuel, and it is illustrative because this is what liberals say when they accidentally speak the truth. Remember: when you listen to this despicable SOB, and your mouth is agape because he sounds like he is fresh out of the 1943 Nazi Party, make sure you remember WHO this man is, and WHO HE IS ADVISING.
THIS IS NOT MADE UP. THESE ARE WORDS OF A MAN WHO IS A KEY ADVISOR ON HEALTH CARE TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, AND WHOSE BROTHER
ISWAS THE CHIEF OF STAFF.
Ezekiel Emanuel quote on whose life is important:
"Strict youngest-first allocation directs scarce resources predominantly to infants. This approach seems incorrect. The death of a 20-year-old woman is intuitively worse than that of a 2-month-old girl, even though the baby has had less life. The 20-year-old has a much more developed personality than the infant, and has drawn upon the investment of others to begin as-yet-unfulfilled projects.... Adolescents have received substantial substantial education and parental care, investments that will be wasted without a complete life. Infants, by contrast, have not yet received these investments.... It is terrible when an infant dies, but worse, most people think, when a three-year-old child dies, and worse still when an adolescent does."
Ezekiel Emanuel quote on why a 25 year old gets priority over a 65 year old person:
"Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination; every person lives through different life stages rather than being a single age. Even if 25-year-olds receive priority over 65-year-olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25 years."
Ezekiel Emanuel quote his opinion that doctors take the Hippocratic Oath "too seriously":
"Vague promises of savings from cutting waste, enhancing prevention and wellness, installing electronic medical records and improving quality are merely 'lipstick' cost control, more for show and public relations than for true change. Savings will require changing how doctors think about their patients. Doctors take the Hippocratic Oath too seriously, as an imperative to do everything for the patient regardless of the cost or effects on others."
Ezekiel Emanuel quote on government empowerment to decide who gets "saved":
"Ultimately, the complete lives system does not create 'classes of Untermenschen whose lives and well being are deemed not worth spending money on,' but rather empowers us to decide fairly whom to save when genuine scarcity makes saving everyone impossible."
Ezekiel Emanuel quote on his idea of "The Complete Life System" and "attenuating" the care of younger and older people:
"When implemented, the complete lives system produces a priority curve on which individuals aged between roughly 15 and 40 years get the most substantial chance, whereas the youngest and oldest people get chances that are attenuated."
Ezekiel Emanuel quote on not guaranteeing health care to people with dementia:
"Services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed. An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia."
Ezekiel Emanuel quote on how political processes should be used to pass socialized heatlhcare:
"Every favor to a constituency should be linked to support for the health-care reform agenda. If the automakers want a bailout, then they and their suppliers have to agree to support and lobby for the administration's health-reform effort."
“If you like the doctor you have, we’ll put you in the same cell with him”. - Barry Soetoro
The Obamakill bill.
Check this article by Betsey McCaughey written in Feb, 2009.
A bunch of us here on FR were screaming and yelling about this at the time and phoning and emailing our reps but it did little good.
It’s so good to hear you have a doctor - because you are truly very, very sick;)
I have heard it. Obastard and the Rats actually think that we will be better off if some bureaucrat 2000 miles away is making decisions about our individual medical care based on some one-size-fits-all government health care plan.
I suspect that many millions of us will forgo government health care and pay for it out of our pocket to a doctor who refuses to participate in the federal health care system.
Foundation style medicine is great for the young and healthy but is horrible for patients who are old and have chronic illness. They won't pay for advanced chemo-therapies or surgeries. These systems drag their feet to get patients into treatment thus killing off the sick population. All of this amounts to rationed care and sophisticated death panels.
He is a mental case. He is speaking of human beings as belonging in data boxes. As a licensed physician - he is more suited to be an undertaker.
Wonder if he would choose the life of a 25 year-old stranger over the life of his own infant? And if he is able to choose - why should we not also be allowed to choose life for our loved ones?
This is the end game. We live free or die!!!
*snicker* I actually came in because my stress level was off the charts and I’m in therapy. He (the cute doctor) prescribes my pills now and he’s actually saved my sanity by prescribing a generic xanax. He knows what he’s doing. I actually crossed by legs (while wearing jeans) and I think he eyed me a bit briefly.
And this Monday, he’s performing my pap smear!! HeeHee.
You do know there’s FReepMail dontchyah?
And overmedicatin’ ??
And midlife cougar crises???
The Death Panels Are Real by Bradley Hennenfent, M.D., physician & economist - VIDEO
AMMO LIST: OBAMACARE’s WAR ON SENIORS & BUSINESS
Print the first 2 out if nothing else and hand them out, it’s what I’ve been doing...include the URL.
I send the entire list to those who do email.
There is no page 464 of the Stimulus bill, which is 407 pages long
Wasnt the stimulus bill like over 1000 pages long?
Here we have these people with his mindset (and don’t let anyone fool you...they all feel this way) where people less than age 15 and more than 40 will have, in the words of this hideous excuse of a human being “chances that are attenuated” .
Let’s roll that one around on the tongue just a bit. “chances that are attenuated”.
I think anyone with a half a brain (who, by the way, will be one of those with “chances that are attenuated”) can understand clearly what that means. It means if there is ONE surgeon available to either do a bypass on a 50 year old guy or to repair vascular damage on a 21 year old who cracked his car up while doing ecstasy, then the jackass on ecstasy gets to live.
We know this, because there will be rules in place. Inflexible rules, backed up by the power of the federal government to levy a first offense fine for non-compliance of $100,000 and a second offense punishable by incarceration. (Note: This description of “The Complete Lives System” by Dr. Mengele’s kindred spirit, Dr. Emanuel, is not in the law. Yet. But his OWN words illustrate his mindset...)
This physician in the video who said he spoke in front of hundreds of members of congress on this already knows what is going to be done. According to him, he will examine the patient, enter diagnosis codes (probably ICD-10 codes) which will then query the government for appropriate treatment, which he will then be REQUIRED BY LAW to follow. Required by penalty of law, backed up by fines and incarceration.
It may not be evident that there will be rationing, but there will be. Rationing will take place in a variety of ways. In much the way I believe the government is limiting the 2nd Amendment rights of gunowners by restricting the availability of both guns and ammunition in a variety of ways, our access to health care will be limited.
Today, if you have certain indications on a mammogram, a biopsy is set up immediately, speed is of the essence. You may even get a cutting edge Breast MRI exam, which is an excellent modality for resolving questions on those indications. It works well, and is getting better. The profit motive is there for hospitals and imaging centers to provide the service at levels people and clinicians want.
The plan of those who want nationalized healthcare is to make it unprofitable, to the point where services will not be immediately available. Now, you might be able to get a breast MRI in a matter of weeks. In the future, they may agree to allow breast MRI, but will simply reimburse so little that hospitals and imaging centers will be unwilling or unable to provide the patient with an MRI in less than six months.
When reimbursements are cut in a variety of ways, this affects the entire healthcare industry (yes...it is an industry, and a profitable one. Which is good for consumers) By cutting how much gets paid, there is less money to hire technologists to run the scanners and radiologists to interpret them. So, the first thing to go will be the hours of operation. Instead of running 24x7, they will be open 8 hours a day, Monday through Friday. Boom. A large part of bandwidth is going to disappear, and the wait time will go from weeks to months.
Then, the amount of money available for system maintenance and software/hardware upgrades diminishes, there is more unexpected downtime, and great technologies like breast MRI are never developed. (I use breast MRI as an example, but there are hundreds, no, thousands of examples. Breast MRI is just one...) Dissatisfaction on the part of patients increases due to long waits and unnecessary time taken off work (for those who will be lucky enough to actually have a job)
But the biggest effect will be that care will be delayed. Things that were curable and treatable will become incurable and untreatable due to the progression, and these people will fall into the “attenuated chances” pool. You will, in the words of this Piece of Crap in the White House, be given a pill and told there it little that can be done.
Do I sound angry? DAMN RIGHT. I AM angry as hell. We have the best healthcare in the world, bar none. Capitalistic forces drive it, but it is there. These marxists in power despise capitalism, and are going to destroy the quality of the system by removing its evil underpinnings.
Basically, they are going to turn it into Soviet style healthcare.
So, that 50 year old guy who needs a surgeon...well, he is $hit out of luck. Unless his name happens to be Dr. Emanuel or Senator Kennedy. Then, they won’t have to follow the rules, because we “need” those people.
They are more important, the government says so.
You might be right.
Geez, you’re lucky. I had to get the old latex glove treatment a few years back as a young guy, and I got the woman reputed to be the Dragon Lady of the hospital...:(
Recently, I had to go for therapy on my shoulder, and when I walked into the therapy department, I was impressed by the attractiveness and friendliness of the er...young female physical therapists who were buzzing around. I thought “Hey...this might not be too bad...”
They assigned a guy who looked like Fabio to me...:(
When I related that to my wife, she laughed at me and said “You fool! Don’t you know only the real old crittery guys get those girls? It helps motivate them and keeps them coming back! YOU don’t need no ‘motivatin’!”
Aww, remind me to personally meet your wife one day.
I cannot see how the Federal Government could outlaw a private primary care doctor contracting with patients directly.
Much like the VIP concierge plans that exist now.
Of course - the government will become the only licensing agency.
Heh, she’s a good’un...:)
They can, and likely, will. This was one of the problems they had up in Canada, they outlawed private practice of medicine and imaging to force everyone into the government run system and avoid people doing end-runs around it. They do have private practice, but it is publicly funded. So, if you are a doctor, you are paid by government money. You don’t play by their rules, you don’t get paid.
I fully expect that will be the same here when this is completely implemented.
Of course, Canada had such intractable issues with availability of imaging (big surprise there) that they have begun to allow private imaging centers to begin opening again to alleviate the backlog.
Nothing like allowing money to incentivize behavior. Funny how that works...Thomas Sowell, in his great books, goes on at length on why it works so well, and why free-market capitalism will kick the crap out of centrally controlled government every single time.
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