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Church Attack Seen As Strike At Iraq's Core
New York Times via Tuscaloosa News ^ | November 2, 2010 | ANTHONY SHADID

Posted on 11/02/2010 9:56:36 AM PDT by Heuristic Hiker

BAGHDAD — Blood still smeared the walls of Our Lady of Salvation Church on Monday. Scraps of flesh remained between the pews. It was the worst massacre of Iraqi Christians since the war began here in 2003.

But for survivors, the tragedy went deeper than the toll of the human wreckage: A fusillade of grenades, bullets and suicide vests had unraveled yet another thread of the country’s once eclectic fabric.

“We’ve lost part of our soul now,” said Rudy Khalid, a 16-year-old Christian who lived across the street. He shook his head. “Our destiny, no one knows what to say of it.”

The massacre, in which 58 people were killed by an affiliate of Al Qaeda, paled before the worst spectacles of violence in Iraq. Since the American invasion, tens of thousands have died here — Sunni and Shiite Muslims — and few of the deaths generated the outrage expressed Monday.

Iraq was once a remarkable mélange of beliefs, customs and traditions; the killings on Sunday drew another border in a nation defined more by war, occupation and deprivation. Identities have hardened; diversity has faded. Nearly all of Iraq’s Jews left long ago, many harassed by a xenophobic government. Iraq’s Christians have dwindled; once numbering anywhere between 800,000 and 1.4 million, at least half are thought to have emigrated since 2003, their leaders say.

“They came to kill Iraq, not Iraqis,” said Bassam Sami, who huddled in a room for four hours before security forces managed to free him. “They came to kill the spirit of Iraq. They came to kill the reason to live, every dream that you want to make true.”

Down the street was Mr. Khalid, as upset as he was anxious at a country that seems to grasp at the mirage of normalcy, fleeting as it might be, only to turn away in disgust at the resilience of violence.

“No one has any answers for us,” he said.

On the morning after security forces stormed the Syrian Catholic church, freeing hostages but leaving far more dead and wounded behind, there were no answers. Not in the statements of outrage from Iraqi leaders, themselves blamed for the dysfunction of the Iraqi state. Not from Pope Benedict XVI, who condemned the “absurd and ferocious violence.” Not from security officials, whose accounts contradicted one another’s and prompted suggestions they might have inadvertently worsened the carnage.

Most of all, not from the survivors, one of whom said the gunmen who seized the church on Sunday evening had only one task in mind.

“They came to kill, kill, kill,” Mr. Sami said.

Not even the police who stood guard at the church, its doors barricaded with barbed wire and its walls lined with roses, orange trees and a plant Iraqis call “the ears of an elephant,” knew quite what to say. One discouraged anyone from entering the shattered doors, under a portico that celebrated the glory of God “on the land of peace.”

“Blood, flesh and bones,” he described the scene. “You can’t bear the smell.”

Knots of survivors, as well as their friends and relatives, stood in the street amid bullet casings and bandage wrappers, some of them crying. The Rev. Meyassr al-Qasboutros, a priest, was among them. His cousin, Wassim Sabih, was one of the two priests killed. Survivors said Father Sabih was pushed to the ground as he grasped a crucifix and pleaded with the gunmen to spare the worshipers.

He was then killed, his body riddled with bullets.

“We must die here,” Father Qasboutros said defiantly. “We can’t leave this country.”

Some survivors echoed his sentiments.

“If we didn’t love this country, we wouldn’t have stayed here,” said Radi Climis, an 18-year-old who wore a floppy bandage on his forehead, where he was wounded by shrapnel from a grenade thrown by the gunmen.

But many others looked in disbelief when asked whether they would stay in a place still so unsettled, so dangerous.

“Why? That’s no question to ask,” said Stephen Karomi, who had come to Baghdad a day before from Qaraqosh, a troubled Christian town in the north. “Everyone wants to leave for one reason: to protect ourselves and to keep our sanity.”

Confusion still reigned Monday over what precisely happened in the attack, in which an affiliate of Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, a homegrown group led by Iraqis, claimed responsibility. An American official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said security forces made the decision to storm the church after believing that the assailants had begun killing the hostages. Had they not, he said, the toll would have been even worse.

“Our information was the hostage takers had begun to systematically execute hostages,” he said.

But Interior Ministry officials and survivors offered other accounts. One official said that 23 of the hostages were killed when two of the gunmen detonated suicide vests as security forces stormed the church. Another confirmed that account, but said that many hostages were killed soon after the gunmen, thought to number between 6 and 15, seized the building.

“We received orders to raid the church, so when we did, they blew themselves up and killed many, but they had already killed a number of civilians before the raid, those cowards,” said Jihad al-Jabiri, a senior official in the Interior Ministry.

Several survivors said that many of the casualties occurred when the gunmen entered and began firing randomly — at people, church icons and even windows. They described a ferocity on the part of the gunmen, some of them speaking in dialects from other Arab countries, as though the very sight of the church’s interior had enraged them.

“They seemed insane,” said Ban Abdullah, a 50-year-old survivor.

Her daughter, Marie Freij, was shot in the right leg as the gunmen entered. She lay in a pool of her own blood for more than three hours.

“I thought I would make it, but even if I didn’t, I was in the church, and it would have been O.K.,” she said from her bed at Ibn al-Nafis Hospital.

Before the gunmen entered, Rafael Qutaimi, a priest, had managed to herd many of the other survivors into a back room, where they barricaded themselves behind two bookshelves.

“Peace be upon you, Mary,” some prayed. “God in heaven, help us,” others muttered. In time, the gunmen learned they were there. Unable to break in, they hurled four grenades inside through a window, killing four and wounding many more, survivors said.

Mr. Sami was lucky. He escaped from the back room without any visible wounds. But on Monday, he listed his friends who had died the day before. Raghda, John, Rita, Father Wassim, Fadi, George, Nabil and Abu Saba.

“A long list,” he said simply. He shook his head, growing angry. “Why was Father Wassim killed? I don’t know. Why was Nabil killed? I don’t know.” He turned silent, and his eyes softened with the trace of tears.

Duraid Adnan contributed reporting.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911mosque; catholicsiniraq; iraq; sectarianism
Symbols mean things, but I think as yesterday's sectarian strife in Iraq indicates, they often mean more outside of the U.S. than they do to many Americans.

The symbols, the icons, the church and the worshippers themselves were an affront to these al-Qaida terrorists, but in American, there is another religious institution, a mosque known to many of these same terrorists as the 9/11 mosque. It also is a symbol and an icon to them.

Quoting from the posted article:

"Several survivors said that many of the casualties occurred when the gunmen entered and began firing randomly — at people, church icons and even windows. They described a ferocity on the part of the gunmen, some of them speaking in dialects from other Arab countries, as though the very sight of the church’s interior had enraged them."

1 posted on 11/02/2010 9:56:41 AM PDT by Heuristic Hiker
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To: Heuristic Hiker

I have a feeling this kind of sh!t never happened when Saddam Hussein ran the place.


2 posted on 11/02/2010 10:02:43 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Let the Eastern bastards freeze in the dark.")
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To: Heuristic Hiker
Nearly all of Iraq’s Jews left long ago, many harassed by a xenophobic government. Iraq’s Christians have dwindled; once numbering anywhere between 800,000 and 1.4 million, at least half are thought to have emigrated since 2003, their leaders say.

Where are pompous, democrat a-holes like Tom Hanks and Jon Leibowitz on this particular fact?

It is jerks like Tom Hanks who were stating that America went to war with Japan in WWII and recently with Saddam's government in Iraq "because they look different than we do."

The barbarity of Al Qaeda and other Wahhabist followers is what yields the intentional murder of innocent people due to religious differences.

Where are the Hollywood elite and other democrats on this?

3 posted on 11/02/2010 10:07:07 AM PDT by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them.)
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To: Heuristic Hiker

I think if you want episodes like this to stop all you need do is rein in Iran. However, no one wants to talk about it let alone stop them.


4 posted on 11/02/2010 10:23:37 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: Heuristic Hiker
As we see all the times, when a Western country does something that displeases the Muslims (no minarets, no burka, cartoon depicting Muhammad,...)the Muslim nations through its media/mosques organize to protest that action. Here we have had news of slaughter of 2 million Christian Sudanese, burning of churches in Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan, Indonesia, Iraq, and this latest massacre in the Iraqi church; NOTHING FROM OUR PUBLIC OPINION MAKERS TO GALVANIZE ANGER AND ORGANIZE PROTESTS!
5 posted on 11/02/2010 10:24:49 AM PDT by phobia-dude
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To: Alberta's Child
I recall in the 1993? when we were preparing to bomb Iraq for invading Kuwait, our CNN reporter was in the downtown Baghdad plaza filming and talking to the Iraqi public, and it was just around Christmas time. He showed vendors selling Christmas trees, and shops all decorated with Santa & nativity scene, and even a bunch of people singing Christmas carol as if you were in any western country.

I agree with you, under Saddam there was FORCED tolerance that muzzled the foaming at the mouth Islamic militants. Now its free for all.

6 posted on 11/02/2010 10:34:35 AM PDT by phobia-dude
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To: phobia-dude
This whole "War on Terror" was exposed as a fraud back in 1990 when you had the U.S. launching a massive military campaign against one of the most tolerant Islamic governments in the Middle East (Iraq) -- on behalf of one of the most radical Islamic nations in the world (Saudi Arabia).

What a joke.

7 posted on 11/02/2010 10:40:06 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Let the Eastern bastards freeze in the dark.")
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To: Prole
Thank our government who is allowing the Wahhabi to spread their hateful theology. Republicans and Democrats on the take from the Saudis allowed that poisonous hate against us to be preached even in the US federal prisons. This one fact infuriates me to no end. As we are not allowed to carry a bible in Saudi Arabia, or build a church, the Saudis bribe our worthless politicians to allow them to proselyte to our prisoners, and finance building mosques in every city in the USA.
8 posted on 11/02/2010 10:40:54 AM PDT by phobia-dude
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To: Alberta's Child

You are blessed with more intelligence, and insight than most Americans. Thanks for the observation.


9 posted on 11/02/2010 10:43:28 AM PDT by phobia-dude
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To: Alberta's Child

Not disagreeing with you sadly. The mid east was a lot better off when it was run my strong men with an incentive to keep the crazies in line. We can talk about not wanting to be at war with Islam but the fact is: They don’t agree. They are in a battle to the death with us and we better wake up quick.

Democracy in the Muslim world means a 99% vote for Jihad. Let them stew in their failure for another hundred years and maybe they will be ready for a post-Islamic future. Until then containment is the only realistic objective.


10 posted on 11/02/2010 11:01:20 AM PDT by Mad_as_heck (The MSM - America's (domestic) public enemy #1.)
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To: Heuristic Hiker
an affiliate of Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, a homegrown group led by Iraqis, claimed responsibility.[...]

They described a ferocity on the part of the gunmen, some of them speaking in dialects from other Arab countries

Very odd. The report says a "hometown group" claimed responsibility but does not give any associated names or say whether the group is Sunni or Shia. Earlier reports said the police captured some of the gunmen but that is not mentioned here. Witness said the gunmen were "insane" foreigners.

Who bankrolled this operation? The US military should conduct an investigation.

11 posted on 11/02/2010 11:06:48 AM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: Heuristic Hiker; Grizzled Bear
It's gotten bumpy again this evening...

And I don't mean the weather.

12 posted on 11/02/2010 11:37:56 AM PDT by Allegra (Pablo is very wily.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Surprisingly true actually. Saddam’s regime was certainly the one with the most religious freedom in the mid-east. While a generally brutal dictator, his wrath was mostly directed at the Shiates and the Kurds, who were fighting for independence. As bad as he undoubtedly was, one would be hard pressed to argue that things are now better than the pre-gulf war days, which was fought purely because Kuwait was one of the principle suppliers of Oil to the US at the time. I personally think that the Saddam regime was way better than the present Saudi Arabia regime which is barbaric in the extreme but they are our “friends” because our economic aims coincide, though our values couldn’t be further off.

As part of the “war on terror” we have actually set off the one of the worst civil wars in the region. I pray for the souls of the dead in the church attack but also for the thousands of innocents who have died as part of the sectarian violence.

Its strange how one needs to support the “war on terror” to be called Conservative. I don’t subscribe to that since I don’t like being used by Men and their calls of false patriotism.


13 posted on 11/02/2010 12:05:22 PM PDT by kroll
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To: Alberta's Child
I am one of the few on this site that believe we should never have been in the Kuwait conflict. but the second one was a must as the war never ended and the attacks against the US and our allies were financed by Iraq.

14 posted on 11/02/2010 12:08:41 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: kroll
"As part of the “war on terror” we have actually set off the one of the worst civil wars in the region."

First the "war on a tactic(terror)" was plain stupid. That is like going to war against those that use the flanking maneuver. Wars must be fought over political ideologies such as communism and Islam.

Second... Islam(political idealogical) was going to take over Iraq anyway there was no stopping that after the first gulf war. Al Qaeda was already there in force when we got there.
All non-muslims are a target no matter what we did.

15 posted on 11/02/2010 12:23:57 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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