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'I blame Karl Rove'
STG News ^ | 11/3/10 | William Way, Jr.

Posted on 11/04/2010 4:30:30 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta

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To: Dr. Scarpetta
There is a singular event that shoved the Republican Senate car over the cliff. That event was the primary victory of Christine O'Donnell. This morning she used a phrase that is right on the money. That description is "Republican Cannibalism."

I personally hold Karl Rove to blame, followed closely by Senator John Cornyn. Rove is an establishment Progressive Republican of the first order.

Following O'Donnell's message of values victory in Delaware, Rove started slinging mud in her direction because he realized she was a woman that couldn't be bought & sold on a D.C. street corner.

Not me. I blame the voters.

181 posted on 11/04/2010 8:53:09 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: samtheman

Well, why she lost is a number of reasons, really.

So, the real question is: how do we get the best candidates? That’s not an easy question to answer. Rove would say, just nominate moderates or liberals in liberal states. But, that’s a bad idea for a number of reasons, not the least of which is that they usually don’t win anyway, even when they bring money to the table (see: Fiorina, Whitman).

Christine may have been a better candidate if the GOP didn’t fight her tooth-and-nail every step of the way. I don’t know if she would have accepted constructive criticism, but it might have been worth a try...in private. By criticism, I don’t mean “abandon all your positions.” I mean more Frank Luntz-type message control.


182 posted on 11/04/2010 8:54:32 AM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: bert

Of course she had a chance. Coons was a weak candidate, by design.

Rove was personally offended that the old-boy network deals had been broken up by some woman who actually believed that politics should be about principles, instead of “you run for this, and I’ll run for that this time.”

So, he (and Mike Castle) did everything in his power to ensure she would lose.


183 posted on 11/04/2010 8:58:06 AM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: MBB1984

Rove is a free agent, as entitled to his opinion as you or I.


184 posted on 11/04/2010 9:00:20 AM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: A.Hun

Two words: Harriet Miers.


185 posted on 11/04/2010 9:05:42 AM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

very conservative of her not to look in the mirror and take responsibility for her shitty campaign. She got her clock cleaned


186 posted on 11/04/2010 9:08:21 AM PDT by jern
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

You really want to live in a World where individuals can’t think, analyze and express their opinions?

How often do Conservatives win a Senate seat in a State as blue as Delaware?

How greater the odds when the Conservative candidate has a record of saying some of the dumbest things ever heard and where not just foes but even friends can not stifle laughter at some of those idiotic comments?

Rove is surely overrated but here he was right. And blameless.


187 posted on 11/04/2010 9:08:51 AM PDT by HearMe
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To: B Knotts
Christine may have been a better candidate if the GOP didn’t fight her tooth-and-nail every step of the way. I don’t know if she would have accepted constructive criticism, but it might have been worth a try...in private. By criticism, I don’t mean “abandon all your positions.” I mean more Frank Luntz-type message control.
That's a very good point.

I guess this whole thing is so frustrating that I am having a hard time dealing with it and I'm trying hard not to think that Rove actually lost this one for us.

That thought is as frustrating as the thought that Nevada is now a blue state.

And particularly frustrating is that NO ONE on Fox News called him on his behavior, not even Hannity, who pretended to, but kept it as such a "kid glove" level that it wasn't much of a criticism at all.

Rove got away with this completely, in terms of all the other media snarks out there on the so-called "right"... with the exception of talk radio, of course. But who in the "establishment" takes talk radio seriously?

188 posted on 11/04/2010 9:09:27 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: samtheman
How many DELAWARE voters said "well, I have to go with Karl Rove on this one"? Who would ever say that about Rove on any issue? How many people in America consider Rove their intellectual guide to anything? (Zero? One? Three?)
189 posted on 11/04/2010 9:12:44 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Conflict is inevitable; Combat is an option. Train for the fight.)
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To: samtheman
That thought is as frustrating as the thought that Nevada is now a blue state.

Off topic, but I don't think that's true. Rory Reid got shellacked. It's hard to defeat an incumbent, let alone the Senate Majority Leader. Angle came close, at least.

190 posted on 11/04/2010 9:13:44 AM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: B Knotts

Four words: Sonia Sotomayer, Elena Kagan.


191 posted on 11/04/2010 9:15:44 AM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: sam_paine

Please read my post # 8. it’s hard to win when your own don’t come out to vote. Further, the Rats poured Millions into Biden’s old seat, and Biden
and Obozo Hussein where ther almost every day! The Machine had every Dead Person and Illegal vote that day! Maybe we will be surprised and Christine will follow in Renaldo Maximus’s Footsteps as You so rightly point out!


192 posted on 11/04/2010 9:18:04 AM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Greatest President :George W. Bush!!)
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To: catnipman
Good post, catnipman. I certainly don't agree with all of it, and most especially don't agree that Rove was only making "predictions" (that's BS, he was a player and you know it), but in many other respects your post#60 is worth reading, remembering and bookmarking.
193 posted on 11/04/2010 9:18:19 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: A.Hun

I think the worst thing to happen to the Tea Party is the Tea Party Express.


194 posted on 11/04/2010 9:19:26 AM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: B Knotts

Check out the results at the statehouse level. Dems held both state senate and state assembly in NV.

Looks pretty blue... and pretty bleak... to me.


195 posted on 11/04/2010 9:19:48 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
Those who defend Rove are Rove.

196 posted on 11/04/2010 9:26:07 AM PDT by I see my hands (How's that ballot box thing working out for you?)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Rove clearly did not help. Time for him to go.

To go where? He doesn't old public office -- he gets paid by FNC as a political analyist, that's all. And his analysis that O'Donnell was a (far) less-than-ideal candidate to run for office in an ultra-lib state was spot on. I've been no fan of the guy ever since he told Tancredo a few years back never to "darken the doors of the WH again," but the guy knows his business.

197 posted on 11/04/2010 9:26:42 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Silly. O’Connell was a horrible capaigner who let her opponents trick her into humiliating herself. Angle was also a poor campaigner who should have been able to easily dispel silly smears, but somehow could not figure out how. On the other hand, Rand Paul and Ron Johnson proved to be very effective campaigners.

We have a new bunch of potential rising stars coming out of the Tea Party movement. Some like Paul and Johnson proved themselves in the field of battle and should be supported. Others like Angle and O’Connell proved lacking in campainging skills, so better candidates should probable be found to replace them. As simple as that.


198 posted on 11/04/2010 9:27:28 AM PDT by sanchmo
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

I don’t think Rove’s comments singlehandedly cost her the election.

But he did GREAT damage. He handed the Democrats their talking points, a devastating set of soundbites, and in my extimation DELIBERATELY undermined her campaign, in attempt to maintain the illusion that he is a strategical wizard (all for personal gain).

The man is detestable to me. It disgusted me to see his fat, piglike face as Fox commentator on election night.


199 posted on 11/04/2010 9:32:15 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears ("Words that will live in infamy: 'This is not a time for ideological purity.'" - Michelle Malkin)
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To: southphilly

I know. Telling the truth is hell.

Ask Juan Williams.


200 posted on 11/04/2010 9:34:43 AM PDT by GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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