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Republicans ponder big loss in California
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 11/4/10 | Joe Garofoli,John Wildermuth, Chronicle Staff Writers

Posted on 11/04/2010 11:25:19 AM PDT by SmithL

alifornia Republicans woke up Wednesday with a political hangover. Nationally, they celebrated the GOP's taking control of Congress, but their dismal showing in California gave them a lingering headache.

Many of them wondered how they missed the national wave - and differed on which direction to go next.

They lost nearly every statewide office, drubbed by double digits in most of the races. Meg Whitman couldn't win the governorship despite straddling the political middle and spending a record $160 million. Carly Fiorina couldn't roust Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer, despite tacking right and exploiting Boxer's low approval ratings.

For months, party officials boasted that their ticket was its most diverse ever. It included a pro-choice former corporate executive (Whitman); an anti-abortion ex-CEO (Fiorina); a pair of very conservative legislators (Tony Strickland and Mimi Walters); a not-so-conservative Latino who had been appointed to the job he sought (Lt. Gov. Abel Maldonado); and a charismatic African American former NFL player turned businessman (Damon Dunn).

All of them lost....

Democrats' registration

Part of the reason, as Fiorina said in her concession speech Wednesday in Irvine, is that "we could not overcome the (2.3 million) registration advantage the Democrats have, particularly in Los Angeles."

Whitman started making in-roads among Latino voters by spending $12 million in Spanish-language advertising and outreach. But any goodwill evaporated in October after Whitman struggled to handle revelations that she had employed - and fired - an undocumented immigrant as her housekeeper for nine years.

"It's a white party" in an increasingly diverse state, said Robert Huckfeldt,... "What you saw in this election was a lot of partisan voters coming home to their party."

Every Republican paid for the Legislature's agreement to raise taxes as part of the 2009 state budget deal. "It damaged the brand,"

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2012midterms; bluestate; ca2010; cagop; calgop; damondunn; fiorina; goldenstate; maldonado; megwhitman; rino; whitman
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1 posted on 11/04/2010 11:25:23 AM PDT by SmithL
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To: calcowgirl
"It shouldn't surprise Republicans that when they stand for nothing, the voters cease to stand with them," said Rep. Tom McClintock,
And there you have it.
2 posted on 11/04/2010 11:26:46 AM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

What’s to ponder? Republicans can not win national elections n California. It’s a money pit. Let nature take it’s course.


3 posted on 11/04/2010 11:27:58 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: SmithL

California has crossed the tipping point where way too many voters are on the public teat—either dependency programs or public workers. The dwindling productive class is no longer in control of its own destiny if it stays in California. They will be taxed to death until the Ponzi scheme finally grinds to a halt at some point within the next decade or two. Then, of course, they will scream for a federal bailout to keep the scam going. That is the battle we have to be ready for.


4 posted on 11/04/2010 11:28:31 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard
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To: SmithL

Every Republican paid for the Legislature’s agreement to raise taxes as part of the 2009 state budget deal. “It damaged the brand,”

Now that is rich..what do they think Moonbeam is going to do?
Idiots


5 posted on 11/04/2010 11:28:45 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty 60)
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To: SmithL

Well, I can think of at least three reasons.

Arnold.

Arnold.

And Arnold.

The Terminator has presided over an absolute disaster. Worse than Gray Davis.

Ultimately, you can blame this one on Karl Rove, who persuaded Bush not to back Bill Simon when he won the primary against their chosen left-wing Republican. Then they put a DC RINO in charge of the California party. Then they jumped in and stuffed Arnold in as their designated candidate after real conservatives removed Gray Davis from office.

Why should Californians think that Republicans can fix their mess? How’d Arnold do at that job? Thanks, Karl. Great job losing that unique opportunity to turn California around.


6 posted on 11/04/2010 11:30:16 AM PDT by Cicero
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To: SmithL
The headline should read...

TEA PARTY LOSES BIG IN CUBA!

7 posted on 11/04/2010 11:30:33 AM PDT by paul in cape
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To: jwalsh07
What’s to ponder? Republicans can not win national elections n California. It’s a money pit. Let nature take it’s course.

Agreed - and the GOP should stop throwing good money after bad. I don't know why the party would waste another dollar running ads in that state; it's beyond hope.

8 posted on 11/04/2010 11:30:44 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: SmithL

AHNOLD The Gubernator.

His legacy - GOP vincibility.


9 posted on 11/04/2010 11:30:49 AM PDT by ZULU (No nation which tried to tolerate Islam escaped Islamization.)
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To: jwalsh07

The same can be said of Connecticut. We are still walking dead here!


10 posted on 11/04/2010 11:31:00 AM PDT by cameraeye (A happy kufir!)
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To: SmithL

To our good conservative friends in California:

Please get out while you can...


11 posted on 11/04/2010 11:31:19 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: SmithL

That’s what you get when you nominate extreme right wing tea party types like Meg Whitman and Carly Fiorina instead of moderates like Arlen Specter and Michael Bloomberg.


12 posted on 11/04/2010 11:31:19 AM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (Worst. Post-Racial. And Post-Partisan. Agent Of Hope And Change. EVER.)
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To: SmithL

John and Ken talk radio show became a bash Meg Whitman
every day, every hour event. I had to stop tuning in. They claimed not to like Brown either, but most of their rants were against Whitman.


13 posted on 11/04/2010 11:32:37 AM PDT by psjones (u)
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To: SmithL

Republicans ponder big loss in California

A more appropriate headline would be: Californians ponder future losses without Republican leadership.


14 posted on 11/04/2010 11:32:44 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: SmithL

Why did the NRSC spend 8 million on moderate Florina, alone. That money could have helped the ground game in NV & CO.


15 posted on 11/04/2010 11:32:44 AM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
From Mark Steyn:

“In California, Barbara Boxer and Jerry Brown have beaten Carly Fiorina and Meg Whitman, two Republican candidates tailored for the Golden State, professional, centrist, and without any of that establishment-disturbing Tea Party craziness like certain lady candidates in Delaware and Nevada. And they both lost. I think we're seeing in California the limits of the democratic process in a Big Government state. The statist workforce and the dependency class can outvote the productive class. And, given the number of Californian small businesses who'll be ordering the U-Haul in the morning, that electoral gap will only widen in 2012 and beyond. California is Greece: The arithmetic does not allow for meaningful correction. The question is whether Texas and other non-insane states will volunteer to play Germany to Sacramento's ouzo-swiggers.”

http://www.steynonline.com/content/view/3564/

I think we're perilously close to this situation in Oregon and Washington too.

16 posted on 11/04/2010 11:32:47 AM PDT by mojito
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To: SmithL
Well geee.... What else was on the ballot? Oh yeah, legal weed. I don't see how that could skew an election.

< /SARC>

17 posted on 11/04/2010 11:33:09 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Fear God and Government - especially when one tries to become the other!)
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To: SmithL

There is no excuse for conservatives to stay in CA to serve as hosts to the exploding number of tax-sucking parasites who have infested their state. Take your money to a state that is sensible. There are many to choose from.


18 posted on 11/04/2010 11:33:48 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: SmithL

Some say we need more “moderate” candidates. Meg Whitman was a very consistently moderate candidate.

Some say we need more “conservative” candidates. Fiorina toed all the marks for a conservative.

So I don’t think it is the moderate vs. conservative question that is at play here.

I think the biggest factor is union politics. Large, heavily funded, very active in the voting effort.

Perhaps factor number two is illegal voting.


19 posted on 11/04/2010 11:34:06 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: cameraeye

Feeling your pain in Northeat Ct.


20 posted on 11/04/2010 11:34:15 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: SmithL

CA has their corrupt dem machine of unions and paid-for politicians in place, they’re ready for the rapid descent into becoming north Mexico.

They might as well elect leaders of drug cartels next.


21 posted on 11/04/2010 11:34:35 AM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: SmithL
unions, illegal aliens and their supporters and a variety that depends on gov’t hand outs has done in the state. the parasites are now overwhelming the host and they will soon both be finished.
22 posted on 11/04/2010 11:34:35 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: SmithL
But, but, but...I thought we need to nominate RINOs to WIN!

/rove

23 posted on 11/04/2010 11:34:39 AM PDT by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: SmithL
FWIW, it may not have mattered. I live in NYS. I know Pubbies who voted for Pubbies on the state and local level, and voted for two 'Rats for Senate because said Pubbies expect those two 'Rats to bring home a big, fat bailout for NYS. So much for principle, eh?

Note to the rest of the nation: Before your pols sign off on any state bailouts, you should take a DANG good look at just what kind of ruinous fiscal malfeasance you'll be aiding and abetting...

24 posted on 11/04/2010 11:34:45 AM PDT by mewzilla (Still voteless in NY-29. Over 400 roll call votes missed and counting...)
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To: Le Chien Rouge

This was not a Republican loss in California.

This was the end of California as Californians have known it.

They will run out of money—and then Governor Brown can explain to them why material things are not really important.


25 posted on 11/04/2010 11:34:45 AM PDT by cgbg (No bailouts for New York and California. Let them eat debt.)
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To: psjones
John and Ken are tools....

They always have been....

When I lived in SoCal...I'd listen to them. And they swerved into the truth enough I guess...to keep listening. But they kept pissing my off...and I quit listening...long before I left SoCal.

26 posted on 11/04/2010 11:35:03 AM PDT by Osage Orange (The IRS thinks I'm made of money.............)
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To: SmithL
We have ten percent of the USA population and over a third of the USA welfare. So we have 330% of normal regarding people on the welfare dole. That is a Democrat vote.

Then you have the largest government employee union base in the country that easily out spend Whitman. They always send hundreds of millions into campaigns and buy lots of ads making emotional pleas that especially the women in our state fall for every time.

I think there is a built in automatic 39% of the vote from all the people on welfare or workfare with the government, so when there is an election, all the Democrats have to do is get 11% +1 vote. The others have to get 50% + 1 vote.

The stupidity or selfishness of the voters here almost outshine the illegal immigration problems of the state.

You have people here that vote the demise of business here and are willing to vote themselves higher taxes.
Now IMO the votes like that are from people who don't make money. As more and more leave the state that do have money, the pain will work it's way down IMO and the people of the dole will have their hands out all the way down to the dust IMO.

27 posted on 11/04/2010 11:35:06 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: SmithL

This is actually good. When California gets to be even more of a sinkhole they can’t point to one conservative to blame. Yay, epic fail!


28 posted on 11/04/2010 11:35:47 AM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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To: SmithL
We have ten percent of the USA population and over a third of the USA welfare. So we have 330% of normal regarding people on the welfare dole. That is a Democrat vote.

Then you have the largest government employee union base in the country that easily out spend Whitman. They always send hundreds of millions into campaigns and buy lots of ads making emotional pleas that especially the women in our state fall for every time.

I think there is a built in automatic 39% of the vote from all the people on welfare or workfare with the government, so when there is an election, all the Democrats have to do is get 11% +1 vote. The others have to get 50% + 1 vote.

The stupidity or selfishness of the voters here almost outshine the illegal immigration problems of the state.

You have people here that vote the demise of business here and are willing to vote themselves higher taxes.
Now IMO the votes like that are from people who don't make money. As more and more leave the state that do have money, the pain will work it's way down IMO and the people of the dole will have their hands out all the way down to the dust IMO.

29 posted on 11/04/2010 11:36:08 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: jwalsh07

I agree. This is a legitimate instance where the finger is pointed directly at the electorate. California had an opportunity to elect some very good Republican candidates. We can argue all day as to whether they were “the best” candidates, but they were very good Republican candidates nonetheless. The fact is California chose to swim in their own filth and re-elected governor Moonbeam. It’s on them.

I see no way out for California now. Therefore, NO federal bailout of California!


30 posted on 11/04/2010 11:36:52 AM PDT by Obadiah (BHO -- out the door in 4!)
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To: SmithL

Commufornia is a lost cause. May it die a slow agonizing death. Oh wait! That is what’s happening. Beam me up Moonbeam.......


31 posted on 11/04/2010 11:37:18 AM PDT by animal172 (Where are you America?)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

“California has crossed the tipping point where way too many voters are on the public teat—either dependency programs or public workers.”

You are exactly correct. California is way past the point on no return. Adding to the problem with public employees and public teat suckers is the explosion of the Mexican population who vote more than two to one Democrat. Mexican immigrants (most of whom are illegal) and their children are big time teat suckers. Somebody should ask Karl Blove how adding millions of illegal immigrants to the voter roles can possibly help the Republican party.


32 posted on 11/04/2010 11:37:26 AM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: SmithL
Look at the leadership of the Republican party in California. These are Democrats in Republican clothing. The stink you smell is the foul stench of power-hungry, self-serving, elitist who have infested the once great party that Ronald Reagan called home. Its time to take the trash out!!!!!!
33 posted on 11/04/2010 11:37:29 AM PDT by HOYA97 (twitter @hoya97)
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To: Le Chien Rouge
Please get out while you can...

As soon as I retire, I will. It will not change till the economy collaspes. I think that when all the welfare queens no longer get their welfare checks, the state will explode in violence. I hope to be gone by then.

34 posted on 11/04/2010 11:37:34 AM PDT by Mark17
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To: SmithL

Next time there’s a wave, California conservatives need to run a conservative Hispanic.


35 posted on 11/04/2010 11:37:35 AM PDT by xzins (Freep-a-thon--Anyone can do a min of $10, OR you must believe in welfare, cause someone pays for you)
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To: jwalsh07
Republicans can not win national elections n California. It’s a money pit. Let nature take it’s course.

Yep. It's an entitlement state. Leave it alone. It'll commit suicide by itself. NY state is as good as dead, too.

36 posted on 11/04/2010 11:38:00 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Cicero

Man, Karl Rove hasn’t been our friend, has he?

And yet there he is every night, his fat face on Fox News, lambasting our elected candidate AFTER she won the Republican primary here in Delaware, an act of so little class it defies description.

We got to get rid of Rove; he’s the leader of the Blue Blood GOP Ruling Class and soon we will have to do battle with that crew.

Already Trent Lott’s coming out of the woodwork.


37 posted on 11/04/2010 11:38:11 AM PDT by Fishtalk (Dance like nobody's watching; Sing like nobody's listening; Blog like nobody's reading.)
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To: Persevero
The demographics have shifted. This isn't the CA of the 1950s or even 1960s, the CA of Nixon and Reagan. Too many moochers, fewer producers. When that happens, elections are won on the basis of two words: free money.
38 posted on 11/04/2010 11:38:19 AM PDT by chimera
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
"Then, of course, they will scream for a federal bailout to keep the scam going."

But now the Republicans have the key to Obama's "stash"!

Deja vu....


39 posted on 11/04/2010 11:38:19 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: SmithL
Ponder all you want but I knew it would fail. This is the most corrupt State in the Union. State Government and now the Governor is made up of communists like beliefs. Most of court system is corrupt. California is poised for a crash beyond belief.
40 posted on 11/04/2010 11:38:28 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: SmithL

Could it be that most of the producers fled the state a long time ago?


41 posted on 11/04/2010 11:38:33 AM PDT by Califreak (November 2008 proved that Idiocracy isn't just a movie anymore)
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To: Osage Orange

Yeah, I don’t listen to them that much, especially now. I would flip over during commercial time on Hewitt’s show
and there they’d be, bashing Whitman. At least Whitman
had the guts to go on their show, Brown didnt.


42 posted on 11/04/2010 11:38:49 AM PDT by psjones (u)
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To: SmithL

California Republicans, American TeaParty supporters and Republicans in general should consider themselves fortunate that they will have no fingerprints on the fiscal disaster squarely ahead of the Moocher Republic. Sacramento, with its incestuous relationship with the public employees unions, has run out of fraudulent accounting tricks and will soon be in a full court press asking citizens in the sister states to make her whole. Let them suffer the consequences.


43 posted on 11/04/2010 11:39:22 AM PDT by dogcaller
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To: Question Liberal Authority

Same product.

Different label.


44 posted on 11/04/2010 11:39:31 AM PDT by Califreak (November 2008 proved that Idiocracy isn't just a movie anymore)
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To: Cicero
Well I remember Arnold Arnold Arnold got zero help from Republicans, conservatives or anyone else in that first big election that was against the unions.
He originally took a stand and non-Democrats punked out IMO, there was no ground swell of conservatives voting.
It was so bad that parental notification of your little girl getting an abortion didn't pass.

So though I loathe Arnold in general, he originally tried and everyone punked out.
After that he got along, which I did not like.

46 posted on 11/04/2010 11:40:24 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: mojito

“I think we’re perilously close to this situation in Oregon and Washington too”

That’s because all the nuts who destroyed CA are moving to these states. And they are bringing their state destroying ideas with them.


47 posted on 11/04/2010 11:41:01 AM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: Question Liberal Authority

Since when are people looking to shrink government, balance budgets and looking to make a state business friendly put into an extreme anything category?


48 posted on 11/04/2010 11:42:19 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: SmithL

In another thread Fox business news was talking about the Build America bonds which have become a source of state funding especially in Cali. Cali can’t borrow money on their own but these bonds have an interest guarantee by DC where the Feds pay 35% of the interest on the bond. This year Cali used these bonds for roughly 30% of the revenue side of their budget. Also a lot of bailout money has found it’s way to certain states to halp them in the short term.

California jumped from the frying pan into the fire on tuesday. They’re going to eventually default and this new congress will not be there with a bailout. Not a good place to be.


49 posted on 11/04/2010 11:42:55 AM PDT by bereanway (I'd rather have 40 Marco Rubios than 60 Arlen Specters)
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To: tennmountainman
That’s because all the nuts who destroyed CA are moving to these states. And they are bringing their state destroying ideas with them.

Lemmings always rush to the sea before committing mass suicide.

50 posted on 11/04/2010 11:43:25 AM PDT by stripes1776
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