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Cable subscribers flee, but is Internet to blame? (Dinosaur Media DeathWatch™)
AP/Houston Chronicle ^ | November 4, 2010 | Peter Svensson

Posted on 11/05/2010 7:13:51 AM PDT by Zakeet

Edited on 11/05/2010 7:16:50 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Cable companies have been losing TV subscribers at an ever faster rate in the past few months, and satellite TV isn't picking up the slack.

That could be a sign that Internet TV services such as Netflix and Hulu are finally starting to entice people to cancel cable, though company executives are pointing to the weak economy and housing market for now.


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KEYWORDS: cable; liberalism; media; msm
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But ... who's gonna pay the cable newsers their subscriber fees if the cable companies have no subscribers?

1 posted on 11/05/2010 7:13:57 AM PDT by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

This might brighten the day of the all-TV-is-evil FReeper.


2 posted on 11/05/2010 7:15:57 AM PDT by qwertypie
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To: Zakeet
That could be a sign that Internet TV services such as Netflix and Hulu are finally starting to entice people to cancel cable...

No, I canceled cable because it's nothing but 100 channels of noise. I can detune my radio and get the same amount of intelligent content and satisfaction for free.

3 posted on 11/05/2010 7:16:23 AM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: Zakeet

Speaking just for myself...

No, the internet is not to blame. The smut is to blame, the internet just makes it easier to find something else to stare at when I sit down.


4 posted on 11/05/2010 7:16:31 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Save the liver!)
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To: Zakeet

LOL. This dummy reporter thinks its a mystery why people are cancelling cable? I can’t stop laughing long enough to type.

How about—astronomical prices for duplicate programs and crappy content? How about being charged to “rent” equipment for the privilege of paying those astronomical prices? The list goes on and on.


5 posted on 11/05/2010 7:17:25 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard
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To: qwertypie

LOL!


6 posted on 11/05/2010 7:17:36 AM PDT by RabidBartender
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To: Zakeet

Ripoff prices might explain some of the decline.


7 posted on 11/05/2010 7:17:58 AM PDT by jimt
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To: Zakeet

Heaven forbid they ever consider lowering prices for a service that obviously now has a more competitive market.

All they can do is offer sweetheart deals to new customers for a year or so while their existing customers who pay their bills every month continue to pay the higher rate.

Cable/Sat providers remind me a lot of the mortgage bailout models. Those who are most loyal and reliable get the shaft.


8 posted on 11/05/2010 7:18:27 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: Zakeet

I dropped Mediacom after 20 years for two reasons - one, it became too expensive, and two, I got tired of paying for a slew of channel that I never watched. I either watch TV off-air now or over the internet.


9 posted on 11/05/2010 7:18:48 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (If the GOP reaches across the aisle, we're gonna chop off their hands.)
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To: Zakeet

Besides, all the good tv has already been done. And 99% of it is on youtube.com! :)


10 posted on 11/05/2010 7:18:52 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Save the liver!)
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To: Zakeet

It’s simple: people can’t afford cable. If the choice is buying gasoline or paying a cable bill, most sane folk choose the gasoline.

I love the “bindle” savings scams - they save nothing. In these times, people are tightening the belt as much as they can, starting with cable.

Plus, why pay for crap, which most of TV is anyway?


11 posted on 11/05/2010 7:19:21 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA ("My buns have no seeds." - Cleo McDowell)
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To: Zakeet
1. unemployed people worry about buying food before cable

2. when someone loses their home in foreclosure, they won't be paying the cable bill

3. nearly $100 per month for dozens of channels, the majority of which are garbage is not an enticing value

12 posted on 11/05/2010 7:19:30 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Zakeet

I have been without tv for over a year and I love it! I do have Netflix. I can also pick up free internet where I live...hahahaha!


13 posted on 11/05/2010 7:19:46 AM PDT by Boardwalk
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To: Zakeet

The cable rates keep going up and the service is not all that hot. We have over 200 channels to choose from and there are nights we discover there is nothing we want to watch.

That can be a good thing, but then we are paying for it even if we don’t watch.

Currently our internet access is via the cable company but alternatives are coming so it may not be much longer before we cut the cord ourselves.

One thing that would help the cable companies, change their business model. Allow subscribers to pick and choose which channels they want. I would say there are less than 10 channels I care for out of the 200 available. Even if I had to pay for each I think it would be cheaper (of course there are both practical and legal reasons why they don’t)


14 posted on 11/05/2010 7:20:09 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (California does not have a money problem, it has a spending problem.)
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To: qwertypie

I’m not one of those, but I have little sympathy for cable compaines anyway.

They’re old school crony capitalists, enjoying their monopoly position.

Where I live, the service is lousy. And the content? 30% advertising, and the rest is mainly repeats of shows which themselves have very little actual content.

Have you ever watched a show and thought about how little actual footage wasw filmed? They show the same shots over and over; before commerical breaks to try to keep you watching,a nd after to recap in case you weren’t.

I think if you have 20 minutes of usable footage, you can make an hour long show.

And these reality TV shows? Talk about a race to the bottom!


15 posted on 11/05/2010 7:21:42 AM PDT by Pessimist
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To: Zakeet

We should be able to cherry pick only the channels we want to receive.


16 posted on 11/05/2010 7:23:08 AM PDT by 38special (AK, CA, CO, NV, WA ... WTF?)
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To: Zakeet

Last time I looked, it was $50 per month for a no-frills can of crap from the local cable provider. I would not subscribe if they paid me that much to have it on.

Only a perve pays to hear coprolalia.


17 posted on 11/05/2010 7:23:55 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Save the liver!)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

“Besides, all the good tv has already been done”

Agreed. My wife and I mainly watch Turner Classic Movies anymore. Some of the old stuff is great! Plus no advertisements!


18 posted on 11/05/2010 7:24:07 AM PDT by Pessimist
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To: Zakeet
Cable is such a screwing.
19 posted on 11/05/2010 7:24:58 AM PDT by Jim Noble (It's the tyranny, stupid!)
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To: Zakeet

I’ve always thought cable and satellite prices were too high. For one thing, channels with commercials should be essentially free just as they are over the air.

I am researching the little boxes you can buy to hook to your television to get video content over the internet. My main concern is that picture and sound quality must be compromised because of bandwidth restraints, but maybe I’m wrong.

Also, the companies that produce the various shows charge way too much, perhaps because they pay their talent way too much. I believe that you can have very compelling stories without expensive productions.

Does anyone have a box that they recommend, or any thoughts on TV and movies from the internet?


20 posted on 11/05/2010 7:27:20 AM PDT by frposty (I'm a simpleton)
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To: Zakeet

DirecTv doubled my bill without asking - from $29 to $65. For a basic package and no HD.

I called and they told me that I was out of the “offer” period. Nothing they could do.

Then they mailed me, emailed me, ran online and TV ads telling me Directv was $29 a month.

I called again and was told “not for you.”

I cancelled and don’t regret it. Been off cable for 2 years. Even FoxNews is about a day behind the news I get in print online. Why pay a premium for it?


21 posted on 11/05/2010 7:28:03 AM PDT by sbMKE
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To: Zakeet

Lower rates might help.


22 posted on 11/05/2010 7:28:55 AM PDT by dforest
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To: frposty

Look at googleTv. It’s a cable killer.


23 posted on 11/05/2010 7:29:17 AM PDT by sbMKE
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To: Zakeet
I canceled my cable a few years ago and didn't replace it with anything. If there's something I'm interested in, I Netflix it.

If it's not on Netflix, I can always pick it up on PirateBay.

My biggest problem with TV is actually the commercials more than anything else: they're too surreal and leave me feeling creeped out.

24 posted on 11/05/2010 7:29:31 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Hail To The Fail-In-Chief)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

That nails it. No more need be said.


25 posted on 11/05/2010 7:29:58 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Zakeet

It’s a combination. Cable is expensive, and their customer service is horrible. If you need something fixed, you’re just as likely to get it fixed with chicken bones, feathers, and dried blood as you are with the incompetents that the cable company sends out.

My son, he’s 27, dropped cable. He downloads entire series of programs from the internet and watches them, and movies on his home media center, (he built a linux based media center).

The only thing he misses is live sports, and he can either come over to my house or go to a bar. He’s pretty happy with the alternative to cable.


26 posted on 11/05/2010 7:30:11 AM PDT by brownsfan (D - swift death of the republic, R - lingering death for the republic.)
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To: Zakeet

It’s not the internet. The change to digital screwed a bunch of people. It requires running new coax through most older houses. plus, cable keeps going up a few dollars every couple of months.


27 posted on 11/05/2010 7:30:26 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: Zakeet

I’m hooked on Netflix; love watching old shows like Have Gun Will Travel, Route 66, Peter Gunn. Cable/satellite are dead unless they unbundle. Why pay for 256 channels of shopping shows and skank reality if you only watch Fox, football and financials?


28 posted on 11/05/2010 7:31:47 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Napolean fries the idea powder.)
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To: Zakeet

If I could figure out how to get baseball games online, I would cancel too. MLB.com wants too much money to watch games on it’s site.


29 posted on 11/05/2010 7:31:48 AM PDT by deadrock (Liberty is a bitch that needs to be bedded on a mattress of cadavers.)
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To: Zakeet

ping


30 posted on 11/05/2010 7:32:21 AM PDT by jetson
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To: Zakeet

I am seriously thinking of dropping cable. I can now access almost anything I want via an Apple Mac Mini computer hooked via HDMI to my TV. The graphics are tons better than cable, so I suspect I will drop cable soon. I was an early adopter of cell phones and have not had a land-line phone in seven years and I am perfectly satisfied.


31 posted on 11/05/2010 7:38:44 AM PDT by devane617 (NEVER feed your cats canned Tuna fish. Mercury poisoning.)
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To: Zakeet

Where to begin.

Might I suggest:
http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/welcome.aspx

Type in your address, and it will tell you what over-the-air channels are available in your area, and what type of antenna you will need. In my area, I get over 30 local stations, including ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox and others.

Occassionally you can find a USB TV tuner on Woot.com for $50 that turns your PC into DVD, so you can record games, shows and movies and then stream them across your home network.

Now, with Netflix, I get unlimited streaming of movies.

And, finally, with Hulu - I can get the various series I want to watch, when I want to watch them.

The Apple iTV module connects to your TV, and enables your TV to tie into your home network for the cost of $95.

So, tell me again why I should be paying Dishnetwork and/or Comcast cable $65/month for stuff I can get for nearly free?


32 posted on 11/05/2010 7:41:49 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

Cable had gotten up to $125/month when I canceled. It wasn’t remotely worth the money. The box rental fee was really terrible. $3.50 for a normal box, an additional $7.50 since it was a digital cable box and another $7.50 for the DVR feature. ...and add $1/month for a cheap remote that you had to have since they would shut off the remote control feature on the box if you didn’t rent a remote. Then you add sales taxes and franchise fees on top. It was nearly $25/month just for equipment.

I put three digital tuners in my computer and use Windows Media Center as a DVR connected to my Xbox. It’s a better DVR solution than the cable box. Xbox now has Netflix and ESPN programming. Hulu is coming after the first of the year.

The few cable shows I care about can be seen online or purchased through Amazon on Demand.

The only things I have missed are NASCAR and NFL games, which aren’t available on the ESPN streaming service.


33 posted on 11/05/2010 7:43:39 AM PDT by MediaMole
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To: DEADROCK

You should be able to watch all sports at channelsurfing.net


34 posted on 11/05/2010 7:53:50 AM PDT by Boardwalk
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To: Zakeet

My wife still wants to keep it, but I’d just as soon cancel: Nothing but trash. Simply freak show, degrading, poorly produced trash. I’d be all for keeping the service if I could just pay for maybe three to five channels of my choosing.

It’s like a flat rate buffet where 90% of the food tastes horrible, and another 8% is actually spoiled or toxic.

It’s become like airplane travel has become.


35 posted on 11/05/2010 7:54:05 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: abb
Ping to more bad Newser news
36 posted on 11/05/2010 8:04:56 AM PDT by Zakeet (Like the wise Wee Wee said, "We can't be broke ... we still have checks in the checkbook.")
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To: Zakeet

I spend more time streaming Netflix movies/tv programs than watching regular tv/cable.

Main reason: regular tv/cable has too many damn commercials and Netflix has ZERO.

There are not many ‘local’ channels accessible over-air or even in the ‘basic’ cable line-up. And I have cable internet, which is less expensive than area DSL or satellite or mobile. So, I have to keep cable and the cable requires a minimum of ‘basic’.

I do add the extended plus HD box, so my cable tv + internet is moderately expensive.


37 posted on 11/05/2010 8:05:46 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Zakeet
A similar article ran in Atlanta, decrying the loss of cable subscribers. I attribute it to several things, among them

1. In hard economic times, cable is not a necessity, it is an expensive luxury;

2. The programming substandard on most channels.

3. Service is poor - and their attitude is worse. "We'll be there between 2 and 6, so take a half day off work and cool your heels - you're lucky we even deign to respond."

4. Internet alternatives such as Hulu, or watching shows on DVD provide alternative.

38 posted on 11/05/2010 8:17:28 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: Zakeet

Newspapers, magazines, over-the-air TV, and now cable TV are feeling the effects of their empty words and programming coming back to haunt them.

American’s don’t want fluff anymore and it shows with the way they are voting with their wallets.


39 posted on 11/05/2010 8:18:00 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Zakeet

I’ve thought about canceling since everyone streams their shows a fe days after first airing anyways. But I really don’t want to go without Sox/Celtic/Bruins coverage, which is all local cable. If there was a way to get around that Id’ leap in a heartbeat.


40 posted on 11/05/2010 8:18:35 AM PDT by mquinn (Obama's supporters: a deliberate drowning of consciousness by means of rhythmic noise)
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To: Boardwalk

I went to that website just now and immediately get hit with with porn spam disguised as chat messages in the lower right-hand corner. No thanks.


41 posted on 11/05/2010 8:22:17 AM PDT by mquinn (Obama's supporters: a deliberate drowning of consciousness by means of rhythmic noise)
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To: frposty
Does anyone have a box that they recommend, or any thoughts on TV and movies from the internet?

I have a ROKU box (roku.com) to stream Netflix. It will also stream Amazon VOD and a few others. The number of 'channels' is growing. I have HS Cable Internet, so bandwidth is not a problem. You need as a minimum about 1.5Mbps to stream video to your TV.

I have a WDTV (Western Digital TV) box that plays various video formats (AVI, WMA, MPEG) on my TV, via USB attached hard drives.

The newer Roku box is about $60. The newer WDTV is about $120.

There are several other boxes that are coming available. Google is working with Logitech to provide GoogleTV.

The big problem now, is that the networks see $$$ and are trying to play hardball even with decades-old content. They are jacking up the prices of their licensing. Thus, even the network cooperative, Hulu, is having problems sustaining content.
42 posted on 11/05/2010 8:27:28 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Zakeet
This is timely. I actually JUST dropped cable the other day.

I signed up for a "triple-play" discount deal when my wife and I moved into our apartment. It was running ~120 per month for Internet access (with the speed upgrade), phone service, and TV. The discounted year just ended, and we received notice that our bill was going up to ~150/month.

We realized that we watch TV on cable MAYBE once per week, and use the phone for faxing MAYBE once per month. All of our other media comes through our PlayStation 3 courtesy of Netflix and Hulu Plus. On top of that, the TV that we do watch is available on Hulu the next day.

It was a no-brainer. We canceled the TV and phone, and kept the internet. Bill came down to $65/month. If I really want a "landline" for faxing, I can get the lowest Vonage plan for $9.99/month.

The worst part of all this is that you can get the local cable company (Optimum Online/Cablevision) on the phone in < 10 mins for regular customer service, but to turn off the cable, you need to talk to someone in the "disconnect department," which has > 40 minute wait times. They must really be hurting.

43 posted on 11/05/2010 8:28:55 AM PDT by billakay
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To: sbMKE
Then they mailed me, emailed me, ran online and TV ads telling me Directv was $29 a month.

Cox Cable is similar. They have all kinds of special pricing deals and bundles for new customers.

We existing customers get sKrewed -- full price, no specials, no deals, only occasional short-term free viewing of premium channels. If we do bundle 3 or more services (not the ones I have, of course), we might get a $10 discount on our billing.
44 posted on 11/05/2010 8:30:42 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: qwertypie

Yes it does please me. Thank you for noticing.


45 posted on 11/05/2010 8:30:42 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Pessimist

***Agreed. My wife and I mainly watch Turner Classic Movies anymore. Some of the old stuff is great! Plus no advertisements!****

Amen to that!

Now, on a regular channel they have part of the tv screen filled with advertisements for other shows they want you to watch during the week during the program broadcast you are watching.

I still remember when AMC was worth watching as they had one break in the middle of the movie broadcast and that was all. Now a two hour movie lasts three hours because of advertisements.

TNT used to have movies! Now it is mostly cop shows over and over and over again.

Back years ago Turner had seven minute blocks of advertisments. Why seven minutes? If you wanted to tape a movie and put the VCR on hold during advertisements, the VCR wouldautomaticly shut down after six minutes!
Now they cover the lower corner with advertisements for other shows.

TCM Rules!


46 posted on 11/05/2010 8:36:25 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I visited GEN TOMMY FRANKS Military Museum in HOBART, OKLAHOMA! Well worth it!)
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To: devane617
I am seriously thinking of dropping cable.

Just over 2 years ago, I dropped the landline telephone. I don't make many calls. I was being charged $25 per month plus a minimum of $5 for any long distance (like to the adjoining town).

I went with a pre-paid cellular and couldn't be happier. Just yesterday I renewed it (I have several hundred minutes built up and they carry over) at a total cost of $77 for 15 months of service.

If cable keeps raising their prices, I may drop back to basic + Internet, as I have Netflix streaming.
47 posted on 11/05/2010 8:37:20 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy

I have already dropped back to basic and use hulu/netflix for hd tv shows/movies. it works great. I can’t imagine that cable will exist in a short few years. everything will morph to the internet....works for me.


48 posted on 11/05/2010 9:08:00 AM PDT by devane617 (NEVER feed your cats canned Tuna fish. Mercury poisoning.)
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To: randog

“No, I canceled cable because it’s nothing but 100 channels of noise.”

Same here. The rate of commercials seems to have tripled over the past few years as well.


49 posted on 11/05/2010 9:12:13 AM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: EEDUDE

I canceled DISH this past week and have enjoyed spending more time with the kids and wife.

The MIL came in last night and was upset that we did not have TV so that we could The Ohio State Buckeyes. I told her that they were off this weekend.


50 posted on 11/05/2010 9:19:32 AM PDT by Dacula (Life is good!)
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