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Kill ObamaCare using this excerpt
najmp ^ | October 28, 2010 | Henry J. Aaron, Ph.D./upchuck

Posted on 11/07/2010 1:33:15 PM PST by upchuck

There have been several articles here on FR and elsewhere espousing the legislative repeal of ObamaCare. Now that the Republicans will have a majority in the House come January, this idea has some appeal. However we all know that nobama will veto any attempt to repeal, or even modify, his "signature legislation." And that we won't have the votes to override.

There is another way however. Dr. Henry Aaron explains this method in the New England Journal of Medicine. I have excerpted the essence here. The bolding is mine:

Customarily, substantive legis­lation “authorizes” spending, but the funds to be spent must be separately “appropriated.” The ACA (ObamaCare) contains 64 specific authoriza­tions to spend up to $105.6 billion and 51 general authorizations to spend “such sums as are neces­sary” over the period between 2010 and 2019. None of these funds will flow, however, unless Congress enacts specific appropriation bills.

In addition, section 1005 of the ACA appropriated $1 billion to support the cost of implementation in the Department of Health and Human Ser­vices (DHHS). This sum is a small fraction of the $5 billion to $10 billion that the Congressional Budget Office estimates the fed­eral government will require between 2010 and 2019 to im­plement the ACA.

The ACA ap­propriated nothing for the Inter­nal Revenue Service, which must collect the information needed to compute subsidies and pay them. The ACA also provides unlimited funding for grants to states to support the creation of health in­surance exchanges (section 1311). But states will also incur sub­stantially increased administrative costs to enroll millions of newly eligible Medicaid beneficiaries. Without large additional appro­priations, implementation will be crippled.

Thus Congress (specifically, the House) can just sit on its hands and watch ObamaCare wither on the vine. What could be easier?

Here's the link to Dr. Arron's article (.pdf). This excerpt begins on page 1686.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: obamacare
No need to hassle with killing the beast when you can more easily starve the beast.
1 posted on 11/07/2010 1:33:18 PM PST by upchuck
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To: upchuck

I would also freeze the White House budget and chop it drastically. Enough elite extravagance. We don’t havethe money for it, they said they’d reign in wasteful spending, but they spend more of what we don’t have. Chop the purse strings, defund the White House.


2 posted on 11/07/2010 1:36:17 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: upchuck

Bump


3 posted on 11/07/2010 1:38:38 PM PST by Jim 0216
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To: upchuck
The Republican house majority is justified to use any legal means at its disposal to destroy this monster known as Obamacare. I fervently hope they will ignore the howls from the left and do just that.
4 posted on 11/07/2010 1:38:50 PM PST by luvbach1 (Stop Barry now. He can't help himself.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
...defund the White House.

The current junket to India, at outlandsih expense and opulence, is a prime example of what must be cut if it can be cut.

5 posted on 11/07/2010 1:41:32 PM PST by luvbach1 (Stop Barry now. He can't help himself.)
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To: upchuck

It’s going to be hilarious listening to the commie ‘RATS whining about the GOP “killing jobs” by defunding ObamaCare. It wasn’t about health care! It was about jobs for the communists in the SEIU.


6 posted on 11/07/2010 1:41:51 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer ("In God We Trust", everyone else must show proof of citizenship.)
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To: upchuck

I think we’ve all said that Obamacare must be defunded.

That could be a complex business. But if any of the current departments or agencies use any of THEIR funding to implement it in any way, then they should be defunded, too, as much as necessary. The prospect of losing their funding should make any agency hesitate to act on implementation.


7 posted on 11/07/2010 1:43:03 PM PST by Cicero
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To: upchuck

For better or for worse, it’s always about the money. Every single aspect of our society is run by money. The Republicans control the House. If the federal government or (to a large degree) state governments do something (anything) bad in the next two years, the proper admonition will be “Follow the money” — and it will lead to Republicans who approved the badness. And those are the people we need to “talk to”.


8 posted on 11/07/2010 1:43:12 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: upchuck
"Hillarycare" died a quick death; Romneycare is dying on the vine; obamacare is much worse and much more expensive than either of those...oh, and they didn't have "death panels" either.


Madoff


9 posted on 11/07/2010 1:44:34 PM PST by FrankR (DEAR GOP: REPEAL IT, or you'll FEEL IT, in 2012!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Someone other than Congress should be determining its pay—preferably We the People.


10 posted on 11/07/2010 1:45:55 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: upchuck
This sum is a small fraction of the $5 billion to $10 billion that the Congressional Budget Office estimates the fed­eral government will require between 2010 and 2019 to im­plement the ACA.

Sounds much to small too "implement" this curse on America.

11 posted on 11/07/2010 1:46:15 PM PST by GoldenPup
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To: Secret Agent Man

Need to publish exact costs for all the White house vacations for the whole family so far, not just the O but the M too.


12 posted on 11/07/2010 1:46:34 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Liberals are educated above their level of intelligence.. Thanks Sr. Angelica)
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To: upchuck

No reason not to do both. It won’t take much to cobble up a repeal bill and send it on through to put everyone on record for the 12 election. We need to put in motion as many avenues to destroy Obamacare (and those who support it) as possible.


13 posted on 11/07/2010 1:47:28 PM PST by HerrBlucher (Defund, repeal, investigate, impeach, convict, jail, celebrate.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
I would also freeze the White House budget and chop it drastically.

That certainly needs to be done. The 0bamas dance away at 200 million a day while our country grows deeper and deeper in debt.

14 posted on 11/07/2010 1:48:09 PM PST by Rider on the Rain
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Jim wrote,

Woo hoo!! Closing in on the finish line!! Less than $2,100 to go!!


Let's git er done!!


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15 posted on 11/07/2010 1:48:20 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: upchuck

The very word: OBAMACARE turns my stomach. It was the same with Hillarycare.

I can think of only one program that memorializes an individual; The Marshall Plan, which was well deserved and did what it was intended to do. Then in stopped.


16 posted on 11/07/2010 1:48:35 PM PST by sodpoodle (Despair; man's surrender. Laughter; God 's redemption.)
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To: HerrBlucher

Please read this, it’s on topic:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2623044/post


17 posted on 11/07/2010 1:48:44 PM PST by Jerrybob
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To: upchuck

Wouldn’t the House also have to pass appropriations for the dozens of Obama czars, thier offices, their staffs, their programs and the like?

The Congress should put its foot down and just declare that if those czars won’t face congressional hearings, their offices won’t get any federal appropraitions.

If those pr*cks want to remain unaccountable, let them work for free.


18 posted on 11/07/2010 1:48:58 PM PST by Stosh
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To: upchuck

As my mother used to say at allowance time, never underestimate the power of the purse.


19 posted on 11/07/2010 1:49:06 PM PST by appeal2 (Don't steal, the government hates competition.)
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To: upchuck

Can UAW bailouts also be blocked in this way?


20 posted on 11/07/2010 1:50:01 PM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (Compassionate Conservatism? Promoting self reliance is compassionate. Promoting dependency is not.)
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To: upchuck

#1 Bill to repeal, If vetoed then continue.
#2 Defund as this suggest, But do not leave the framework period.
#3 Bill to repeal until complete.

Simple and does not leave this threat out there longer than possible, even though it is UnConstitutional


21 posted on 11/07/2010 1:50:23 PM PST by jafojeffsurf ( Return to the Constitution.)
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To: skr

No this is part of the check-and-balance power of Congress. They fund the Supreme Court and the White House.

In the past they have defunded both when issues have arisen. Haven’t done it lately, but it has been done and ought to be done again.

Executive branch enforces laws. However Congress can defund it so enforcement becomes impossible. Great for when a president wants to enforce an unconstitutional law. Supremes can rule certain things unconstitutional but Congress can defund the courts in addition to passing law that prevents Supreme Court from ruling on legal issues. Supreme court members can also be removed from the bench. It has happened, and it can be done.


22 posted on 11/07/2010 1:51:28 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: upchuck

I wonder how many good, seemingly necessary things are attached to some of the “obamacare” legislation, so the Socialist Democratic Party can claim that “the heartless Republicans” are failing to fund “such-and-such” programs for the elderly, the destitute, disabled Veterans, etc, etc, ad nauseum? I believe these sleazy, diabolical dims carefully crafted Obamacare legislation in a manner that would make it repeal-resistent on its own merits down the road. Republicans are really going to show us what they’re made of soon. If they fail to at least vigorously try to repeal it then we’ll know which ones have to go next election.


23 posted on 11/07/2010 1:53:21 PM PST by jiminycricket000
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To: FrankR

Excellent poster -will be re-used!


24 posted on 11/07/2010 1:58:31 PM PST by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Department of Life, Department of Liberty, Department of Happiness)
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To: upchuck

Lets also defund all of these “Charities” like ACORN, SEIU, Progress for America and any others that are out there.

IF they are such worthy causes, then let them raise their own funds...


25 posted on 11/07/2010 2:00:00 PM PST by phockthis
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To: FlingWingFlyer
*It wasn’t about health care! It was about jobs for the communists in the SEIU.*

yep, who then must vote forever Democrat to keep their jobs, just like the welfare recipients and the illegal aliens

26 posted on 11/07/2010 2:01:24 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: upchuck
Thus Congress (specifically, the House) can just sit on its hands and watch ObamaCare wither on the vine. What could be easier?

Ah! The 'do nothing' approach - the liberal mindset speaks. Beware of deception. What 'looks easy' is never easy in the end. they both fight it and starve it. - DOUBLE WHAMMY!

'Sit on your hands' approach - LOL!! How the liberals only wish that deceptive method will be taken by the R's.
27 posted on 11/07/2010 2:02:46 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: upchuck

We currently operate with no budget.

We face a “lame duck” session.

My suggestion is we pressure the “lame ducks” at the expense of their careers to do nothing.

And then in January when the 112th Congress begins if the Dems don’t want to go along the Pubbies should vote to go home and shut DC Down until they wake up.


28 posted on 11/07/2010 2:03:16 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: luvbach1

They have proven they will only ignore the leftist howlers IF WE howl louder. I keep saying this. Those that can give money to conservatives give, give, give. Not to the RNC...Zero.

Those with the gift of gab, sales and public speaking please use your gifts at town halls and anywhere appropriate. Run for office if you can.


29 posted on 11/07/2010 2:04:34 PM PST by liberty or death
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To: FrankR
Ah yes!

There is a sucker born every minute to answer the bogus call of 'look what great thing I have for you'.

From the snakes in the grass, Hillary, MITT, Bernie, O.IM.GREATObama.
30 posted on 11/07/2010 2:10:44 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: upchuck

I know I am one of the “WE the People” eliminate any spending for Obummercare and Obummer. No money to be spent on the ObummerCare. He has spent enough - take away his toys - planes, helicopter, limosine . teleprompter. hi busget is now 1.00. He has an income that he earned in 2009 of 5 million. let him spend that. Anything else he was to spend is his responsibility.


31 posted on 11/07/2010 2:24:49 PM PST by hondact200 ( Lincoln Freed the Enslaved. Obama Enslaves the Free. Obama is Americas Greatest Threat)
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To: upchuck
Related thread:

New England Journal of Medicine Inadvertently Hands House GOP the Game Plan for Starving ObamaCare

32 posted on 11/07/2010 2:26:59 PM PST by thouworm
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To: upchuck

The ‘defund it’ approach would seem to mean that the voters would have to keep Republicans as the majority in the house every year that Obamacare is not repealed.

On the one hand, as Obama goes down in flames and the RATS are abandoning his ship, floating Rats can ‘afford’ to abandon Obamacare and claim they want a NEW, IMPROVED Obamacare lite or some other equally unacceptable thing but it lets them repeal Obamacare while telling the lefties that they are going to do it better with the ‘public option intact’. On the other hand, if Nancy Pelosi is still Minority Leader in the House - she would help punish and Rat who actually did that.


33 posted on 11/07/2010 2:31:58 PM PST by ransomnote
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To: FlingWingFlyer

We need to create death panels for SEIU.


34 posted on 11/07/2010 2:32:01 PM PST by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: nolongerademocrat

I wish the FBI would start looking into SEIU.


35 posted on 11/07/2010 2:34:03 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer ("In God We Trust", everyone else must show proof of citizenship.)
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To: Texas Fossil

We currently operate with no money. Here is Obama May 23, 2009 telling C-SPAN’s Steve Scully.

Hear it from the Master’s Voice:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=339qi22oXwo


36 posted on 11/07/2010 2:39:29 PM PST by plangent
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To: upchuck
No need to hassle with killing the beast when you can more easily starve the beast.

Ah! A "Death Panel" for Obamacare.

37 posted on 11/07/2010 2:44:09 PM PST by stayathomemom (Beware of cat attacks while typing!)
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To: upchuck

Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution:
“Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States .”


38 posted on 11/07/2010 2:48:11 PM PST by Walmartian
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To: plangent
Hear it from the Master’s Voice

He may be your master, but he certainly is not mine. FUBO!

39 posted on 11/07/2010 3:13:56 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: upchuck

So after he retired from baseball, Henry Aaron became a doctor? Who knew?


40 posted on 11/07/2010 3:19:41 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Secret Agent Man
Supreme court members can also be removed from the bench. It has happened, and it can be done.

That would require the Senate which we do NOT have. See me tag line.
41 posted on 11/07/2010 3:45:06 PM PST by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: ransomnote

The de-fund (not appropriating funding) approach can be done in conjunction with the symbolic repeal approach. In fact, it is the constitutional responsibility of each house member to not appropriate funds for an unconstitutional law.

The de-fund approach must be accompanied by vigorous oversight hearings of all important aspects of 0bamacare. We must examine privacy concerns with electronic medical records, rationing boards, physician penalties for non-compliance with rationing, IRS enforcement rules with detailed information on fines and penalties for non-compliance of mandates, cost analysis of subsidies for exchanges and ramifications of people taking the penalty (instead of buying insurance) as they do in MA right now.

Get Berwick and Sebelius up there ASAP and ask TOUGH really TOUGH questions! (if they don’t go, even more reason to de-fund) The Kagan SCOTUS hearings were way too soft, and I expect and demand that the House members will be sharp and incisive in their questioning. We will also need some good experts on our side to critique 0bamacare when the Marxists have their turn at questioning (someone like Dr. Janda?).

Once we have some good videos of these hearings, they will go viral (that will be our job). The MSM will no longer be able to write the narrative of government shutdown like they did in 1995 with Newt vs Clinton.


42 posted on 11/07/2010 4:16:51 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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To: Cicero

“That could be a complex business. But if any of the current departments or agencies use any of THEIR funding to implement it in any way, then they should be defunded, too, as much as necessary. The prospect of losing their funding should make any agency hesitate to act on implementation.”

Agreed. But our pitch can be: “Defunding just postpones the Obamacare decision, which was done precipitously and with strange procedural trickery. The American people should take a breath and just wait for two years. Maybe their congressmen will have read the bill by 2012. The American people should be able to decide in 2012 whether to repeal it or not. In the meantime, defunding just puts things on hold so the American people can decide in two years.”

That’s a softer line that’s harder to attack than defunding. And, it makes the rats run on Obamacare AGAIN in 2012. That’s the last thing they want to do.


43 posted on 11/07/2010 4:41:10 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: FlingWingFlyer

So far during this administration the FBI has proven themselves to be virtually useless in matters that involve Obama.


44 posted on 11/07/2010 5:33:02 PM PST by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I understand that, but where’s the check and balance on Congress when it comes to them paying themselves? When my business slowed down, I had to take a pay cut; the same should happen to them when the economy fares badly.


45 posted on 11/07/2010 5:44:05 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: upchuck
Thus Congress (specifically, the House) can just sit on its hands and watch ObamaCare wither on the vine. What could be easier?

The down side to just "sitting on its hands" is that the bilthy fastards on the other side might get back into control. At the earliest opportunity this piece of trash needs to be eliminated.

46 posted on 11/07/2010 6:32:29 PM PST by RobinOfKingston
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To: RobinOfKingston
The down side to just "sitting on its hands" is that the bilthy fastards on the other side might get back into control. At the earliest opportunity this piece of trash needs to be eliminated.

Exactly! The RINOs in Congress will argue against killing it by giving excuses. Repeal it. Get the Senators who oppose the repeal on record. Let Obama veto it. Use it against the Dims in 2012.

47 posted on 11/07/2010 10:23:33 PM PST by JimWayne
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