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Barack Obama joined Muslim prayers at school, teacher says
The Australian ^ | November 08, 2010 | Anne Barrowclough

Posted on 11/07/2010 6:10:15 PM PST by kingattax

AS a schoolboy in Jakarta, Barack Obama attended Muslim prayer sessions with his classmates against the wishes of his mother.

The US President's former grade three teacher said that Mr Obama - who was known as "Barry" when he attended the Menteng One school in Jakarta - studied the Koran and went to classes on Islam, despite the objections of Anne Dunham, a Roman Catholic.

The teacher's recollections will add to speculation about Mr Obama's links to Islam during his much-anticipated visit to Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, as part of his ten-day tour of Asia.

(Excerpt) Read more at theaustralian.com.au ...


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1 posted on 11/07/2010 6:10:20 PM PST by kingattax
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To: kingattax

Obama believes in Obama, no one else.


2 posted on 11/07/2010 6:13:48 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: kingattax

I thought his mom was an atheist?


3 posted on 11/07/2010 6:14:03 PM PST by DBrow
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To: kingattax

Really? Like we didn’t already know that.

We may not know ‘who’ he is but we do know ‘what’ he is.


4 posted on 11/07/2010 6:15:14 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS= Obama's Mosque, taxes, painful death. Is this what you want?)
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To: kingattax

just some crazy right wingers here saying again he’s a Muslim. Move along.
Nothing to see here...


5 posted on 11/07/2010 6:15:20 PM PST by TigerClaws
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To: kingattax

His mother was a commie.


6 posted on 11/07/2010 6:15:20 PM PST by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: kingattax
If I recall recent news, on this current trip to Asia, Obama decided not to enter the Golden Temple of the Sikhs. The reason, apparently, was that by entering a place of worship which is important to the Sikh religion, Obama might appear to be a member of another religion (Islam). Makes no sense, but there it is.

Of course, I do believe that Obama is also planning to enter a mosque on this trip because, apparently, by entering a place of worship which is important to the Islamic religion, he will not in any way appear to be a member of that religion. Why would anyone think that??

7 posted on 11/07/2010 6:15:47 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: kingattax

“School” = Harvard


8 posted on 11/07/2010 6:17:12 PM PST by bigbob
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To: ClearCase_guy

He was in a mosque while in Turkey.


9 posted on 11/07/2010 6:17:55 PM PST by HollyB
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To: Cheetahcat

Marxism is a religion posing as a political movement. Islam is a political movement psoing as a religion..


10 posted on 11/07/2010 6:20:56 PM PST by SC_Pete
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To: kingattax

I suppose if Obama goes to Indonesia and they throw a party for him the way the Catholics do when the Pope comes to town then....


11 posted on 11/07/2010 6:21:37 PM PST by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: SC_Pete

“Marxism is a religion posing as a political movement. Islam is a political movement psoing as a religion..”

Excellent thank you!


12 posted on 11/07/2010 6:23:11 PM PST by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: kingattax
...studied the Koran and went to classes on Islam, despite the objections of Anne Dunham, a Roman Catholic.

His hippie mother may have been raised Catholic, but she most certainly didn't object to teaching Barry Islam because it conflicted with her own religion. She was probably objecting to him being taught any religion at all.

13 posted on 11/07/2010 6:23:18 PM PST by GenXFreedomFighter (If you disagree with me, you're a big fat racist, sexist meanie who eats babies.)
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To: DBrow

I also thought Ann Dunham was an athiest. In fact, I have never before read anything about her being a Catholic, or for that matter, being a Christian of any denomination.

I have read, however, that the school Obama attended in Indonesia was a Catholic school. I just assumed it was because it was the best school for an American child to be attending while in Indonesia.


14 posted on 11/07/2010 6:24:12 PM PST by Gumdrop
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To: kingattax

Barry’s mother was not a Catholic. He was sent to the Catholic school because it was where Westerners went, although he was registered as a Muslim and thus did not have to take part in Catholic religious instruction. His stepfather (and his mother, presumably) moved him to a madrassa after a year or so because they felt he wasn’t getting enough Islamic religious instruction.


15 posted on 11/07/2010 6:25:13 PM PST by livius (W)
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To: DBrow

>I thought his mom was an atheist?

Heh.

>despite the objections of Anne Dunham, a Roman Catholic.

They forgot to say she was a “staunch” Roman Catholic.

If reporters were methodical, we’d be in it much deeper.

She’s whatever they’re pimping him as.


16 posted on 11/07/2010 6:25:13 PM PST by ROTB (Without a Christian revival, we are government slaves, or nuked by China/Russia during armed revolt.)
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To: SC_Pete

“Marxism is a religion posing as a political movement. Islam is a political movement psoing as a religion.”

That’s a quote worth remembering.


17 posted on 11/07/2010 6:25:58 PM PST by EverOnward
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To: DBrow
"I thought his mom was an atheist?"

It's all a pack of lies ... but we can use them if he insists it's all true.

"His mother did not like him learning Islam, although his father was a Muslim. Sometimes she came to the school; she was angry with the religious teacher and said 'Why did you teach him the Koran?'" said Effendi."

Hmmpphhh ... so why'd you marry a muslim?

It's all bu!!$h!t

zero's a commie, muslim, mulatto fag ... period.

18 posted on 11/07/2010 6:26:32 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: kingattax
I wonder was she a typical white Catholic?
19 posted on 11/07/2010 6:32:38 PM PST by Past Your Eyes (I'd open it myself but I don't have any thumbs.)
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To: kingattax

I hear he snuck out to go to Koran class too


20 posted on 11/07/2010 6:37:39 PM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: kingattax


They moved his statue...
21 posted on 11/07/2010 6:38:37 PM PST by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: DBrow

She was an atheist.


22 posted on 11/07/2010 6:46:00 PM PST by Venturer
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To: SC_Pete

That is spot on. I have to remember that...thanks for sharing that thought!


23 posted on 11/07/2010 6:46:58 PM PST by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: kingattax
Barack Hussein Obama Sr was a black Muslim from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya. The Communists saw the Muslims as a pathway to taking over nations in proximity to Saudi Arabia. The Old Soviet Union wanted to use the Muslims to take Middle Eastern oil away from the West. Barack Hussein Obama Sr was a Marxist Communist dupe as is obvious from his paper entitled “Problems Facing Our Socialism.” Obama jr's entire family was Communist, from his father and mother to his grandparents on his mother's side. They were all useful tools with no idea they were being used, as are the Muslims, to wage a war against Capitalism in the West and especially, the United States.

Dinesh D'Souza's book The Roots of Obama's Rage,spells out how Barack Obama jr has taken up the misguided torch for his father. It is a fantasy world from a unicorn farm and the hatred of the Muslims for the West is a part of that fantasy. This is a nightmare that will not stop because the lies that were spun by the old Soviet Union are still being spun by the citadels of education throughout the world.

24 posted on 11/07/2010 6:53:28 PM PST by jonrick46 (We're being water boarded with the sewage of Fabian Socialism.)
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To: DBrow
I thought Anne Dunham’s parents were Unitarian Protestants. How the devil was she a Catholic?
25 posted on 11/07/2010 6:54:58 PM PST by utahagen
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To: kingattax

“The Chicago Tribune mentions a description of the Dunham’s chosen church as “The Little Red Church on the Hill”. According to its own website, East Shore Unitarian Church got that name because of, “Well-publicized debates and forums on such controversial subjects as the admission of ‘Red China’ to the United Nations....” The fact that John Stenhouse once served as church president might also have contributed to the “red” label.”

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/barack_obama_red_diaper_baby_1.html


26 posted on 11/07/2010 6:55:09 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: Cheetahcat

It rings true doesn’t it? I’ll have to write that one down.


27 posted on 11/07/2010 7:00:48 PM PST by SC_Pete
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To: GenXFreedomFighter

I believe she was raised Unitarian.


28 posted on 11/07/2010 7:08:42 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Venturer

Right. Barry’s mom was an atheist, which was well known by all who knew her, and admitted by all, save Barry.


29 posted on 11/07/2010 7:10:18 PM PST by Dick Holmes
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To: kingattax

Anne Dunham, Roman Catholic? Never, she was an atheist commie sow.


30 posted on 11/07/2010 7:14:08 PM PST by Gapplega
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To: kingattax

Anne Dunham a Roman Catholic? Since when? Didn’t her parents go to the little communist church disguised as a Universal Unitarian Church?


31 posted on 11/07/2010 7:15:11 PM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA ("The View" is the new Maury Povich inspired "Fight Club in Heels")
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To: ClearCase_guy

I wanted show you the video of O at the mosque in Turkey. Watch his body language. It doesn’t change, he appears very different than normal (whatever that is).

http://en.vidivodo.com/265322/obama-tours-mosques


32 posted on 11/07/2010 7:15:26 PM PST by HollyB
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To: kingattax; kalee
Stanley Ann Dunham was never a Catholic.

To: kalee

I can’t find anything that says she was Roman Catholic.

In a 2007 speech, Obama contrasted the beliefs of his mother to those of her parents, and commented on her spirituality and skepticism: “My mother, whose parents were nonpracticing Baptists and Methodists, was one of the most spiritual souls I ever knew. But she had a healthy skepticism of religion as an institution.”

Barack Obama has said of Ann Dunham, “My mother was a Christian from Kansas.”[1][1] Earlier he had said, “I was not raised in a religious household... My mother’s own experiences... only reinforced this inherited skepticism. Her memories of the Christians who populated her youth were not fond ones... And yet for all her professed secularism, my mother was in many ways the most spiritually awakened person that I’ve ever known.”[1] And his half-sister, Maya said, when asked if their mother was an atheist, “I wouldn’t have called her an atheist,” she said. “She was an agnostic. She basically gave us all the good books—the Bible, the Hindu Upanishads and the Buddhist scripture, the Tao Te Ching—and wanted us to recognize that everyone has something beautiful to contribute.”[1] And, from another source, “She touted herself as an atheist, and it was something she’d read about and could argue,” said Maxine Box, who was Dunham’s best friend.”[1] One of her freinds said of her “She always felt that marriage as an institution was not particularly essential or importan

40 posted on Sunday, November 07, 2010 5:42:33 PM by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)

33 posted on 11/07/2010 7:16:01 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: utahagen

I’m starting to think Obama blatantly lied about his mother. And there are rules about the status of any children of a Muslim mixed marriage. It’s complicated.


34 posted on 11/07/2010 7:21:07 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: HollyB

The Position of Hands in Qiyaam
http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/handsslh.htm

Upon entering a Masjid, a person sees a multitude of different people. Some of them he sees standing in prayer with their hands clasped together on the chest. Others he sees with their hands beneath the navel. Then as he proceeds further he observes one with his hands held together just beneath the chest. Following that he catches sight of a person who seems to be merely standing there. However, when he takes a closer look, he finds that this person too is engrossed in prayer, but he has not brought his hands together. instead he has left them at his sides.

It is from situations such as these, where the questions arise, ‘Where exactly did Rasoolullah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) place his hands whilst standing in prayer?’ The following discussion will seek to determine the exact Sunnah method of keeping the hands whilst in Qiyaam. However, before all else it should be borne in mind that the debate is not regarding one method being prohibited and another permissible or Fardh but, similarly to the issue of Aameen, this one is also only concerning which is the more preferable method of holding the hands together whilst in Salaah.

Now moving on to the difference of opinions, it is worth knowing that there are really two different disputes here. Firstly. lmaam Malik’s (RA) opinion that one should leave his hands hanging at the sides of his body whilst in Qiyaam and he should not hold the hands together. As opposed to this other scholars have reached a total agreement that the hands must be held together and they should not be left loose on the sides.

Stemming from this, the second group then have a conflict of views between them as to where exactly is the most preferable place for one to grasp his hands. Should they be held below the navel, beneath the chest or directly upon the chest? The problem is however, that there are very few sahih ahadith concerning this issue and most of the reports which express the different ways of keeping the hands have all been classified as being either totally weak or with some degree of defect in their authenticity. Due to the lack of authentic narration on this subject, it makes the issue slightly more difficult than the other issues of Salaah. Nonetheless, by the end of the chapter after sound analysis and reasoning the most preferable method which could also be designated as the sunnah one, will become evident.

Opinions of the Ulama in Detail

The first difference of opinion:

lmaam Malik’s (RA) more popular opinion which is related by lbnul Qasim (RA) is that the hands should be left hanging at the sides. A secondary view of his, this time via lbnul Munzir (RA) is that the hands will be joined together and placed on the body instead. lmaam Abu Hanifah (RA), Shafi’ee (RA), Ahmad (RA) and the majority of Ulama are of the opinion that the hands should be held together and not left to hang. lbn Abdil Barr (RA) states. “There is nothing reported from Rasoolullah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) which is on the contrary to this (opinion). and this view is a/so the unanimous one of all the Companions and Tabi’een.”

The second difference of opinion:

Following this dispute number two is regarding the exact portion of the body upon which the hands should be positioned after locking them together. lmaam Abu Hanifah (RA) and Abu lshaaq Al Marwazi (RA) from the Shafi’ees assert that to tie the hands together below the navel is Sunnah. lrnaam Shafi’ee’s (RA) view is to lock the hands together and hold them beneath the chest according to the books, Waseet and Kitabul-Umm (books on Shafi’ee fiqh). This is also Imaam Shafi’ee’s (RA) most popular opinion and the one followed by his school of thought. A second and more unusual view of his is that the hands should be situated directly on the chest. This is mentioned in the book Haawi. As for Imaam Ahmad, he holds three different opinions: One is similar to that of lmaam Abu Hanifah (RA) – lbn Habeerah has said this to be his more popular opinion. The second opinion is the same as lmaam Shafi’ee’s (RA) view and the third is, the Musalli has a choice between placing them beneath the navel or on the chest because both of these methods are derived from ahadith.

The Differences to be found in the Narrations and their reasons:

Ulama state that there are no sahih ahadith which could substantiate lmaam Malik’s opinion of leaving the hands to remain at the sides. Some have stated the reason for him holding that opinion, to be absolute fear, awe and reverence of Almighty Allah; that once a person is stood before Him, he forgets to bring his hands together and they are left to hang at the sides. Whatever the case maybe, they do have a few reports which outline some Sahaahah leaving their hands hanging loose whilst in the standing posture of Salaah. Although these reports are not mentioned here, they can be found in the book Musannaf-Ibn-Abi-Shavbah.

As opposed to this, there are a number of narrations which establish Rasoolullah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) joining the hands together, although they then vary as regards to where the hands were exactly placed. One very confused narration is that of Wa’il Ibn Hujr (RA) which is found in a number of books. He reports,

“I performed Salaah with Rasoolullah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam), (in which) he placed his right hand on the left one. upon his chest.”

This particular report is from S’ahih-Ibn-Khuzamah. The version mentioned in Musnad-ul-Bazzar instead of the term. ‘upon his chest’ has the words. ‘near his chest’ and the one found in Musannaf-Ibn-Abi-Shavbah contains the statement. ‘beneath the navel’. The first two reports, apparently establish the Shafi’ee’s point of view and the third one is in favour of the Hanafi’s opinion. It should be remembered, however, that all three reports do contain some type of a weakness or another, therefore, they will all have to individually undergo an analysis in order to deduce the reasons for the weaknesses and their levels. Furthermore, can any of the three stand as evidence or not, will also be determined.

Analysis of the First Contradictory Version:


35 posted on 11/07/2010 7:21:37 PM PST by Chickensoup (Try Dodd and Frank for robbery and treason.)
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To: HollyB

The Position of Hands in Qiyaam
http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/handsslh.htm

Upon entering a Masjid, a person sees a multitude of different people. Some of them he sees standing in prayer with their hands clasped together on the chest. Others he sees with their hands beneath the navel. Then as he proceeds further he observes one with his hands held together just beneath the chest. Following that he catches sight of a person who seems to be merely standing there. However, when he takes a closer look, he finds that this person too is engrossed in prayer, but he has not brought his hands together. instead he has left them at his sides.

It is from situations such as these, where the questions arise, ‘Where exactly did Rasoolullah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) place his hands whilst standing in prayer?’ The following discussion will seek to determine the exact Sunnah method of keeping the hands whilst in Qiyaam. However, before all else it should be borne in mind that the debate is not regarding one method being prohibited and another permissible or Fardh but, similarly to the issue of Aameen, this one is also only concerning which is the more preferable method of holding the hands together whilst in Salaah.

Now moving on to the difference of opinions, it is worth knowing that there are really two different disputes here. Firstly. lmaam Malik’s (RA) opinion that one should leave his hands hanging at the sides of his body whilst in Qiyaam and he should not hold the hands together. As opposed to this other scholars have reached a total agreement that the hands must be held together and they should not be left loose on the sides.

Stemming from this, the second group then have a conflict of views between them as to where exactly is the most preferable place for one to grasp his hands. Should they be held below the navel, beneath the chest or directly upon the chest? The problem is however, that there are very few sahih ahadith concerning this issue and most of the reports which express the different ways of keeping the hands have all been classified as being either totally weak or with some degree of defect in their authenticity. Due to the lack of authentic narration on this subject, it makes the issue slightly more difficult than the other issues of Salaah. Nonetheless, by the end of the chapter after sound analysis and reasoning the most preferable method which could also be designated as the sunnah one, will become evident.

Opinions of the Ulama in Detail

The first difference of opinion:

lmaam Malik’s (RA) more popular opinion which is related by lbnul Qasim (RA) is that the hands should be left hanging at the sides. A secondary view of his, this time via lbnul Munzir (RA) is that the hands will be joined together and placed on the body instead. lmaam Abu Hanifah (RA), Shafi’ee (RA), Ahmad (RA) and the majority of Ulama are of the opinion that the hands should be held together and not left to hang. lbn Abdil Barr (RA) states. “There is nothing reported from Rasoolullah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) which is on the contrary to this (opinion). and this view is a/so the unanimous one of all the Companions and Tabi’een.”

The second difference of opinion:

Following this dispute number two is regarding the exact portion of the body upon which the hands should be positioned after locking them together. lmaam Abu Hanifah (RA) and Abu lshaaq Al Marwazi (RA) from the Shafi’ees assert that to tie the hands together below the navel is Sunnah. lrnaam Shafi’ee’s (RA) view is to lock the hands together and hold them beneath the chest according to the books, Waseet and Kitabul-Umm (books on Shafi’ee fiqh). This is also Imaam Shafi’ee’s (RA) most popular opinion and the one followed by his school of thought. A second and more unusual view of his is that the hands should be situated directly on the chest. This is mentioned in the book Haawi. As for Imaam Ahmad, he holds three different opinions: One is similar to that of lmaam Abu Hanifah (RA) – lbn Habeerah has said this to be his more popular opinion. The second opinion is the same as lmaam Shafi’ee’s (RA) view and the third is, the Musalli has a choice between placing them beneath the navel or on the chest because both of these methods are derived from ahadith.

The Differences to be found in the Narrations and their reasons:

Ulama state that there are no sahih ahadith which could substantiate lmaam Malik’s opinion of leaving the hands to remain at the sides. Some have stated the reason for him holding that opinion, to be absolute fear, awe and reverence of Almighty Allah; that once a person is stood before Him, he forgets to bring his hands together and they are left to hang at the sides. Whatever the case maybe, they do have a few reports which outline some Sahaahah leaving their hands hanging loose whilst in the standing posture of Salaah. Although these reports are not mentioned here, they can be found in the book Musannaf-Ibn-Abi-Shavbah.

As opposed to this, there are a number of narrations which establish Rasoolullah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) joining the hands together, although they then vary as regards to where the hands were exactly placed. One very confused narration is that of Wa’il Ibn Hujr (RA) which is found in a number of books. He reports,

“I performed Salaah with Rasoolullah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam), (in which) he placed his right hand on the left one. upon his chest.”

This particular report is from S’ahih-Ibn-Khuzamah. The version mentioned in Musnad-ul-Bazzar instead of the term. ‘upon his chest’ has the words. ‘near his chest’ and the one found in Musannaf-Ibn-Abi-Shavbah contains the statement. ‘beneath the navel’. The first two reports, apparently establish the Shafi’ee’s point of view and the third one is in favour of the Hanafi’s opinion. It should be remembered, however, that all three reports do contain some type of a weakness or another, therefore, they will all have to individually undergo an analysis in order to deduce the reasons for the weaknesses and their levels. Furthermore, can any of the three stand as evidence or not, will also be determined.

Analysis of the First Contradictory Version:


36 posted on 11/07/2010 7:21:47 PM PST by Chickensoup (Try Dodd and Frank for robbery and treason.)
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To: Chickensoup

Incredible, thanks for your post.


37 posted on 11/07/2010 7:25:29 PM PST by HollyB
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To: Blood of Tyrants

FALSANI:
What do you believe?

OBAMA:
I am a Christian.

So, I have a deep faith. So I draw from the Christian faith.

On the other hand, I was born in Hawaii where obviously there are a lot of Eastern influences.

I lived in Indonesia, the largest Muslim country in the world, between the ages of six and 10.

My father was from Kenya, and although he was probably most accurately labeled an agnostic, his father was Muslim.

And I’d say, probably, intellectually I’ve drawn as much from Judaism as any other faith.

Read more: http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/11/obamas-interview-with-cathleen.html#ixzz14enJ8JpR


38 posted on 11/07/2010 7:25:29 PM PST by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: Chickensoup

We are all sheeple. in their religion you can’t switch to being a christian after being a muslim or else they will get you. so hes a agent of deceit


39 posted on 11/07/2010 7:26:03 PM PST by truthbetold11 (truthbetold11)
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To: HollyB
Very interesting. Thanks.

I notice that in that video, the Westerners all seem to hold their arms at the sides, while the Muslims, most of the time, clasp their hands together and hold them in front of their body. Obama is the only Westerner whose body stance follows this practice.

He does this in a great many pictures. It seems to be somewhat Islamic, and is also girly. On a thread earlier today I saw a formal, posed picture of the Obamas with the head of state (and his wife) from some Southern Asian nation. Barack and Michelle had their hands clasped this way. The leader and his wife did not. Michelle looked more manly than his husband.

40 posted on 11/07/2010 7:26:59 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: EverOnward

Islam and Marxism are the essence of evil. They both pervert the natural spiritual aspiration of man into a demonic quest for unlimited power and dominion over all the earth. In pursuit of that goal, neither Islam nor Marxism recognizes any moral or ethical limits. For both, the “ends justify the means”.


41 posted on 11/07/2010 7:28:14 PM PST by SC_Pete
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To: HollyB
What's most noticeable is that his hands are clasped in the same fashion as when Hillary, ????? and himself were standing on a podium for the pledge of allegiance. The other two people had their hands over their heart.

I believe this clasping is significant. I'm going to do a little searching.

42 posted on 11/07/2010 7:28:22 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: HollyB

He is a strange ranger.


43 posted on 11/07/2010 7:30:28 PM PST by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: HollyB

I would say that he was clasping his hands like the good Muslim does.

He is totally owned.

I dont think he would bless himself with holy water at St Peter’s or genuflect in front of the Presence.


44 posted on 11/07/2010 7:30:32 PM PST by Chickensoup (Try Dodd and Frank for robbery and treason.)
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To: LostInBayport

That’s why Marxists and Islamofascists understand eachother. However, were it not for the common enemy of Western Civilization, they would be at eachothers’ throats because in each case there is only room for one true faith. Maybe there’s a way to give that some assistance. Wouldn’t that be a win/win?


45 posted on 11/07/2010 7:32:31 PM PST by SC_Pete
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To: All
"Muslim congregation, facing east, clasping hands in front"

If you saw the video and remember him on the podium, I think this is inded significant. Hardly a USA cutom during the pledge of allegiance. It's a Muslim thing.

46 posted on 11/07/2010 7:33:33 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: kingattax
The only school records, it would seem, that escaped erasing

Barry Soetoro's school registration, Assisi Primary School, (Catholic)

name: Barry Soetoro

citizenship: Indonesian

Faith: Islam

Father: Lolo Soetoro

he was later enrolled at SDN Menteng 1, an Indonesian public school.

In Indonesia, which was under tight rule in 1967, Obama clearly took on the last name of his stepfather in school registration documents. All Indonesian students were required to carry government identity cards, or Karty Tanda Pendudaks, which needed to bear the student's legal name, which should be matched in public school registration filings.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=72656

47 posted on 11/07/2010 7:34:44 PM PST by maine-iac7
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To: kingattax

I think Obama supports any belief system as long as it’s anti-western, anti-colonialism and anti-Christian.

Islam and athiesm is a perfect fit for him.


48 posted on 11/07/2010 7:36:30 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (If the GOP reaches across the aisle, we're gonna chop off their hands.)
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To: livius
His stepfather (and his mother, presumably) moved him to a madrassa after a year or so because they felt he wasn’t getting enough Islamic religious instruction.

At some point, the "WON" made a remark about how he hated his mother getting him up at 4 every morning. When asked why, he said it was to study American schooling - now why would that be necc. when he was enrolled in a Catholic church where westerners were schooled.,

However, 4 in the morning just happens to be the time muslims have to get up to observe the first call to prayer - the one that "O" still can recite in perfect dialect and calls 'the most beautiful sound on earth..."

it's the little slips of tongue that can trip one up - SOME DAY

49 posted on 11/07/2010 7:43:09 PM PST by maine-iac7
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To: GeronL
I hear he snuck out to go to Koran class too

He didn't have to sneak - he wrote in one of his books that he got in trouble with his mother because it was reported that he was acting up in Koran class - making faces.

Take note whenever he mentions either the Bible or the Koran.

The Bible is NEVER the HOLY Bible, but the Koran is ALWAYS the "HOLY KORAN"

How many non-muslims do you know refer to the Koran as the "HOLY" Koran?

50 posted on 11/07/2010 7:48:06 PM PST by maine-iac7
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