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GOP control of House could revive the F-22 fight
AJC/Political Insider ^ | 11/13/2010 | Jim Galloway

Posted on 11/13/2010 5:47:29 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld

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To: Non-Sequitur
What about those who say the Department of Education and the Post Office = JOBS. It's that simple for them, too.

And I AGREE with them. The Post Office and Schools should be PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS with no government involvement anymore. Sell them off.
21 posted on 11/13/2010 7:26:11 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld
A deal and a compromise should be made. If the Department of Defense can expeditiously and quickly conclude this war, then money will be available for F22’s and F35’s. If the war drags on as the stalemate that it clearly is, then no money will be available.

The AF has purchased enough F22’s for the time being. We can't put more eggs into that 500 million each basket. Instead of stimulus spending I would have much preferred the money be spent on defense, but now we are out of money to spend and cuts are necessary.

22 posted on 11/13/2010 7:26:51 PM PST by Tea Party Reveler
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To: rmlew
I'm not going to disagree with your technical details, I am sure they are correct. And I am also concerned about the budget cuts and how to keep our technical edge in space, military and other high tech areas. But there are some overriding concerns.

The national debt is killing us more effectivly than any foriegn military can right now. It is our number one national security issue. The focus needs to be on cutting the debt.

The congressman feels he can "pay for" the extra F-22s with cuts to other programs, but there are two problems with that. The first is that if he actually attempts this, then the movement to cut earmarks and pork is dead already, because if he gets his pet project brought back from the dead, then all cooperation is off the table for other cuts to anyone else's pet project. Second, if he can pay for this project with budget cuts in other areas, then we can also not spend the money at all and reduce the deficit even more.

23 posted on 11/13/2010 8:05:49 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Non-Sequitur

How do military salaries and benefits stack up against the private sector? I don’t know, but as an anecdote, the people I’ve known who were in for a while seemed to be doing quite well vis-a-vis their neighbors. The GI Bill could certainly be too generous. Our servicemen are (generally) great folks, but in the current environment they might also be overpaid, just like any other government employee.


24 posted on 11/13/2010 8:17:27 PM PST by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: Non-Sequitur
All federal employees? Including the military?

Jimmy Effin' Peanut Farmer did it to me when I was in the military.

Double digit inflation, our dollar plumeting, making living in Europe even more unaffordable, and good old Peanut D!ck says "let us set the example by holding the line on military wages."

25 posted on 11/13/2010 8:31:28 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

The F-22 will be in the next Congressional budget like I’ve been saying for over a year now...since I’ve known the Dims would lose Congress.


26 posted on 11/13/2010 8:41:12 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

$120 mill sounds a little low. The numbers I’ve heard that Rand has put together have stated that to restart production and build another 75 planes would come in at over $200 mill per copy. Heck, a guy can spend a day seeing India on that kind of money.


27 posted on 11/13/2010 8:57:04 PM PST by bereanway (I'd rather have 40 Marco Rubios than 60 Arlen Specters)
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To: Vince Ferrer

we need to keep it on the back burner for the time being with the understanding that it will be produced again some day. perhaps they can call it the phoenix then ? It’s the baddest fighter jet of all time and it’s ours. You don’t let that go. You improve upon it.


28 posted on 11/13/2010 9:34:45 PM PST by RC one (WHAT!!!!)
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To: Tea Party Reveler

I wonder how much money we would have for F22s if we pulled out of Korea? Japan maybe?


29 posted on 11/13/2010 9:39:37 PM PST by RC one (WHAT!!!!)
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To: RC one

The US needs to have a presence there to deter North Korea and China.


30 posted on 11/13/2010 10:47:46 PM PST by ari-freedom (Islam is at war against America, while America is at the mall.)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

Unfortunately, thanks to the Democrats and Obama... the F-22 production line was shut down.

So to get it back up and running would cost quite a chunk of change... on top of the cost of each extra fighter.


31 posted on 11/13/2010 11:04:21 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Viking2002

Well, a starting GS-1 makes $17,803 (pre-tax).

That’s pretty close to Wal-Mart wages already.

Here’s the 2010 GS pay table:
http://www.opm.gov/oca/10tables/pdf/gs.pdf


32 posted on 11/13/2010 11:08:30 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Trod Upon

Here is the 2010 military pay chart. Mind you, this is for people whose job is to potential *DIE* for you.

http://militarypay.defense.gov/pay/bp/paytables/Paytable_2010.pdf

(the table shows monthly salary, not yearly)


33 posted on 11/13/2010 11:13:29 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: reefdiver

Honestly in the grand scheme of things our fighting forces are of 2ndary important to our nuclear arsenal. If we can’t preserve and upgrade our stockpile and their delivery systems(missiles) it really won’t matter what fighter jets we got.


34 posted on 11/14/2010 3:27:42 AM PST by Monorprise
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
And I AGREE with them. The Post Office and Schools should be PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS with no government involvement anymore. Sell them off.

So why should we resume production of the F-22 just because it means jobs? Shouldn't the private sector be generating those as well?

35 posted on 11/14/2010 6:08:26 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: ClearCase_guy
We have nukes. If a war starts while we take a hiatus from strong defense spending, I say we use 'em.

Yeah, but the UFO guys keep switching them off or retargeting them in the silos; Ours AND the enemy's.

36 posted on 11/14/2010 7:07:34 AM PST by InternetTuffGuy
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld
If obama and the dims are correct and the United States is a declining power, then we don't deserve to have the finest aircraft and the world's best weapons systems. The Chinese do.

Canceling the F-22 and eventually building the lower performing, lesser capable F-35 only makes sense. We should surrender our superiority now, rather than use it when we need it, like the good little one world progressives we should strive to be.

After all, why have an assault weapon when a slingshot will do the same job? Besides, assault weapons make people feel uncomfortable and that's just wrong. Haven't learned anything from the lessons our history has tried to teach us?

37 posted on 11/14/2010 7:28:49 AM PST by GBA (Not on our watch!)
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To: Non-Sequitur
So why should we resume production of the F-22 just because it means jobs? Shouldn't the private sector be generating those as well?

The private sector does not buy F-22s.
At least, not without a great expansion of the 2nd Amendment.
38 posted on 11/14/2010 7:59:01 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Just noticed your user name. heh heh


39 posted on 11/14/2010 8:01:12 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
The private sector does not buy F-22s.

So...it's up to the government sector to create jobs by buying weapon systems that the Pentagon may or may not need?

40 posted on 11/14/2010 9:19:53 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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