Posted on 11/17/2010 6:21:28 AM PST by USALiberty
A series of two-page spreads asks questions ("Have I told you that you are creative?") across from short tributes. He writes of Georgia O'Keeffe: "She helped us see big beauty in what is small: the hardness of stone and the softness of feather." His most controversial choice may be Sitting Bull, who defeated Custer at Little Bighorn: ("A Sioux medicine man who healed broken hearts and broken promises.")
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I stand corrected on the Northern Cheyenne. Maybe it was the horse Comanche that survived the battle. Many moons ago I lived next to Hardin Mt and the battle field. I know the federal gov’t committed on of their first coverups at the Battle of the Little Bighorn. Many soldier artifacts were found many miles away from “Custer’s Last Stand”. They ran for cover and the Indians systematically hunted them down and mutilated them so they could not enter the “Happy Hunting Ground”
Andrew Jackson was a southerner, wasn’t he? And he was the driving force behind the expulsion of the Cherokees - witness his famous statement about Marshall enforcing his decision regarding the Cherokees.
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He was a southerner by culture - but he was a statist in ideology, and a totalitarian by nature. Being southern is damn sure no guarantee of quality. To our shame we produced not only Andrew Jackson, but also James Earl Carter and William Jefferson Blythe Clinton. It is not all Sequoyah and Jefferson.
Sorry, I don't believe anything that Chivington said about Sand Creek.
And by 1864, there had been long-running skirmishes and warfare on the Plains.
Try looking at the history of the Nez Perce for what happens when a tribe is pushed to the limits.
The vast majority of southerners were not officers in any government, Sherman Logan. You immediately resort to assumption of government force any time a group of people is mentioned. You’ve really internalized the Federal leviathan and apparently cannot envision any other means of interrelation bewteen people.
Some of us know that southerners and native tribes got along rather well, and in many instances extremely well, since they’re in our family trees. Yes, there were attacks. Neither side was innocent. Mass expulsion was fought by the people. Churches fought it, mountain people fought it.
You go right ahead and prattle on about treaties and government edicts, and those of us who descend from these people will continue to relate the histories that we know because our people who went before lived it, on a human, interpersonal scale.
Let alone the Indian Schools.
The Delaware were not the Comanche.
***You seriously think the impetus to expel the Cherokee and other southern tribes came from northerners, not the southern people who actually wanted their land?***
***BTW, Cherokees had their own civil war during ours. Units fought for both sides.***
The Cherokee fate was sealed when GOLD was found on their lands.
Many of the richer Cherokees took boats to Oklahoma along with their posessions and SLAVES. The poorer Cherokees fought a war, tried to make a treaty. Their rep was kidnapped by others who then sent their own reps who signed away Cherokee claims in the South.
Then these had to walk to Oklahoma. It was so brutal even the white militias were ashamed of what happened.
Once in Oklahoma, there was a wave of murders in which those who signed away Cherokee rights in the South were hunted down and murdered.
During the Civil War, the Cherokees were divided. Their Confederate General, Stand Watie, was the last to surrender.
Then Pro-Union Cherokees were known as “Pin Indians” as their designation was two crossed pins on their clothing.
Isn’t REAL history a bitch?
The Delaware did their share of fighting in the French and Indian War.
Nope. Only one officer was thought to possibly have fled the battleground1. His remains have never been discovered. Burial records show that those who died with Custer died in the area today known as the Little Big Horn National Monument2. To be sure, the bodies were then mutilated (mostly by women and old men, BTW), but the idea that the command "ran" is incorrect. It was a simple defeat in detail victory for the Indians (who were the ones expected to "run"...).
1Not all bodies were recovered, some were burned in the villages, others have since been found through the years. But, found on Monument land...
2There's debate on whether those found between Custer Hill and Deep Ravine (and within the ravine) may have attempted to flee the hill in the final moments, or whether they were part of a skirmish line. The discussion of suicide is another overstated topic. It likely happened, but nowhere to the degree some have insinuated.
In many cases, true . . . particularly depending on the tribe (i'm thinking specifically of the Comanche).
However, one of the darker spots on my family history is that my GG-Grandfather was with Custer at the Battle of the Washita River (which is becoming better known as the Black Kettle Massacre). The American Indians killed by The Son of the Morning Star and his men that night were almost all children, women, and the elderly.
As for butchering, U.S. Soldiers from that massacre proudly displayed the spoils of war (as did those serving under Chivington at Sand Creek) - minor little things, like tobacco pouches made from the va-jay-jays of American Indian women.
I'd say neither side had clean hands in the Indian Wars.
I thought the whole intentionally selling/giving blankets infected with smallpox had been thoroughly debunked.
Somebody want to educate me?
Chief Joseph did not say the things that are credited to him. They were invented by the recent writer of a book about him. In particular, he was no kind of ecologist.
Chief Joseph did not say the things that are credited to him. They were invented by the recent writer of a book about him. In particular, he was no kind of ecologist.
I do agree that what happened with the Indians was typical of contact with indigenous peoples in the past. Doesn’t mean it should be sugarcoated, though.
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This sort of cuts to the chase.
Frontier, existential wars are inherently ugly. The image of Rousseau’s “Noble Savage” is propaganda, but so is this drool about the Custer, Crook and BIA as avenging Christian paladins and angels of light.
As another poster noted, Sitting Bull is being co-opted by the agitator in chief to agitate. As Voltaire noted, “[h]istory is nothing but a pack of tricks that we play upon the dead.”
Yeah, they really avenged the Kelo taking, didn’t they?
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Let’s call this “a work in progress”, shall we?
Kelo was no small part of the fuel heating the tea kettle presently.
And once again, it boiled down to white encroachment on lands that had been promised to the Nez Perce.
Barbarians who fight against Christian society are by definition terrorists.
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LOL! How exquisitely jihadist.
Sorry but your comment sounds liberal - dripping with sarcasm...
***On November 29, 1864, Colorado Volunteers attacked a peaceful Cheyenne and Arapaho village camped on Sand Creek in southeastern Colorado. ***
You need to get a copy of MASSACRES OF THE MOUNTAINS by J R Dunn Jr. Written at the time when the Indian wars were winding down but before Wounded Knee.
The Indians at Sand Creek were NOT peaceful. They always came in to make peace in the winter so as to live on government rations, then would go on the warpath when the grass got tall enough to feed a war pony.
A letter written by Charlie Bent (believed to be a Confederate agent), clearly shows that ..IF the Army will treat with the HOSTILE TRIBES, the the tribe under Dull Knife will come in and treat also.
Question, If this tribe was peaceful WHY WOULD THEY NEED TO COME IN TO TREAT?
As for the killing of women and children, most of the men under Chivington’s command had family and friends butchered by these very indians that summer. A snow storm had moved in and all Indians were bundled up making the distinction between men and women impossible.
Then there is that nasty little thing like the finding of fresh white scalps of men and children, along with a blanket fringed with white women’s scalps...all in the “PEACEFUL” camp.
As for the claim the men were out hunting, their larders were full of Buffalo meat and any available buffalo would have moved toward the Palo Verde area of Texas at that time.
Read THE INDIAN WARS OF 1864 by Lt Ware.
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