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Los Angeles County Has Banned Plastic Bags, Levied 10 Cent Tax On Paper (as a model for Kalifornia)
Business Insider ^ | 11/17/2010 | Gus Lubin

Posted on 11/17/2010 9:09:37 AM PST by WebFocus

Los Angeles County passed a major ban last night on plastic bags, according to the LA Times.

Beginning in July, 67 large supermarkets and pharmacies will stop providing plastic. By 2012, the ban will cover 1,000 local stores.

They will also charge a 10-cent surcharge for paper bags.

Although the ban will affect only the unincorporated areas outside L.A., it's seen as a model for the rest of the California -- as will be the lawsuit that might follow.

Outside of California this idea seems years away at best. But it could only help local businesses, which wouldn't have to buy thousands of bags each month from China.

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KEYWORDS: green; losangeles; plasticbags; tax
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1 posted on 11/17/2010 9:09:50 AM PST by WebFocus
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To: WebFocus

LA County has a $500 million+ budget deficit and they’re spending time and resources on outlawing plastic bags! They can carry their groceries home in the same hand basket in which they are going to hell.


2 posted on 11/17/2010 9:12:08 AM PST by La Lydia
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To: WebFocus
Outside of California this idea seems years away at best. But it could only help local businesses, which wouldn't have to buy thousands of bags each month from China.

And I'm sure it'll be a great help to the customers, who now apparently have to either fork over a dime or try to carry the goods out of the store in their arms??

3 posted on 11/17/2010 9:12:19 AM PST by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: WebFocus

ORIGINAL STORY HERE :

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-plastic-bags-20101117,0,1602701.story

L.A. County passes sweeping ban on plastic bags

The ordinance, which by 2012 will cover 1,000 stores in unincorporated areas, also will require supermarkets and pharmacies to levy a 10-cent surcharge per paper bag. Proponents see it as a model for California.

The ban, which goes beyond ordinances adopted in Malibu and San Francisco, most directly affects 1.1 million people who live outside the county’s incorporated cities. But anyone shopping at stores in such areas would encounter the new rules.

Opponents suggested they might go to court to try to block the ban before the first phase takes effect in July, when 67 large supermarkets and pharmacies must stop providing disposable plastic bags. By January 2012, the ban will cover 1,000 stores throughout the county. The ordinance also seeks to keep shoppers from turning to paper bags as an alternative by requiring stores to levy a 10-cent surcharge per paper bag.

The goal, officials say, is to get people to adopt reusable bags made of cloth or durable plastic that can be wiped clean. An exception is being made for produce bags that keep raw vegetables and meats from being contaminated by other groceries.

CLICK ABOVE LINK FOR THE REST OF THE STORY.

READ THE PLASTIC BAG ORDINANCE HERE :

http://documents.latimes.com/la-county-plastic-bag-ban/


4 posted on 11/17/2010 9:13:27 AM PST by WebFocus
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To: WebFocus

So how will people that ride the bus get their groceries home? They’ll have to pay 10 cents extra for paper bags.

Another tax on the poor.


5 posted on 11/17/2010 9:14:16 AM PST by Brookhaven (Voter Fraud is Treason)
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To: WebFocus

Who gets the dime per bag? More government revenue...


6 posted on 11/17/2010 9:16:19 AM PST by edcoil (Today, we start fixing stupid.)
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To: WebFocus
They are trying to force californicos to use "reuseable" bags which have already been shown to carry diseases.

Buy a supply of your own plastic bags and carry a few in your pocket/purse when you go shopping.

7 posted on 11/17/2010 9:16:19 AM PST by Ben Mugged (Your refusing to accept the facts doesn't change the facts. Matt Dillon)
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To: WebFocus

PeaPod will have a resurgence.


8 posted on 11/17/2010 9:16:20 AM PST by wilco200 (11/4/08 - The Day America Jumped the Shark)
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To: Brookhaven

RE: So how will people that ride the bus get their groceries home?


I guess they will have to buy a permanent grocery bag or two ( not the plastic one’s, but the more sturdy one’s ).


9 posted on 11/17/2010 9:16:22 AM PST by WebFocus
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To: WebFocus

I wonder what the untended consequences of this will be?


10 posted on 11/17/2010 9:17:28 AM PST by ColdOne (Repeal Healthcare......NO COMPROMISE.......ever!)
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To: WebFocus

We can now look forward to the importation of illegal workers from countries whose women specialize in the weaving of raffia baskets and horsehair ‘borrals’, work that native Americans won’t do.

The invisible hand will work its will on California and they will be clueless as to what is happening.


11 posted on 11/17/2010 9:18:22 AM PST by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: WebFocus

Paper is made from trees. I guess that’s okay if trees are cut down, they say there is a lot of them in the Amazon.


12 posted on 11/17/2010 9:19:34 AM PST by Beowulf9
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To: ColdOne
"I wonder what the untended consequences of this will be?"

1) folks spend more in taxes (ok, that is an intended consequence)...

2) folks use the re-usable bags and strains of E-COLI get nasty and more people get sick

3) folks use the re-usables more often and wash them more often increasing water usage and detergents in the system

Politicians. Is there anything they don't know?

13 posted on 11/17/2010 9:20:22 AM PST by SparkyBass
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To: WebFocus

So now you will have to buy $2+ made in China woven bags to tote your groceries. These bags have been proven to harbor bacteria from leaking packages and are a health hazard.
Only have 5 woven bags? No problem, make more trips to the grocery store. Using more gas.


14 posted on 11/17/2010 9:20:57 AM PST by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: WebFocus

What are people going to pick up their dogs crap with? Better star hording bags to sell on the black market!


15 posted on 11/17/2010 9:22:34 AM PST by US_MilitaryRules (Where is our military?)
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To: WebFocus
Although the ban will affect only the unincorporated areas outside L.A., it's seen as a model for the rest of the California

Interesting, the Marxist degenerate cities, populated with non producers, ride roughshod over the producers that supply their food, water and electricity.

The same mechanism that has gotten Kaliforniastan to the grand economic position it is now.

16 posted on 11/17/2010 9:23:23 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: WebFocus

I have a soccer ball bag from Sports Authority that
works great as a grocery bag (or laundry bag). Its
a large bag made from net material, can be washed,
and holds as much as you can carry.


17 posted on 11/17/2010 9:26:38 AM PST by rahbert
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To: Vinnie

Those 2 dollar bags made in China have also been proven to contain lead traces which will get into your food.


18 posted on 11/17/2010 9:27:29 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: ColdOne
There always unintended consequences of everything. Have you ever seen an area where plastic bags have been heavily discarded? I am talking about the little thin one that you get at every drive in grocery and every where you buy anything? The wind blows them up in the trees where they are out of reach and they just hang there like bizarre decorations. That is what they are trying to avoid. I don't like either thing, the tax or the trash but I have no idea what to do about it.
19 posted on 11/17/2010 9:27:47 AM PST by Ditter
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To: ColdOne
I wonder what the untended consequences of this will be?

Disease, and a decline in general health, from food poisoning, and the fact that healthful fruits and vegtables are bulky and heavy. Beer and wine will come in boxes with carry handles.

(Not a comment on consumer choice, just the facts)

20 posted on 11/17/2010 9:30:37 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: WebFocus

In following the traditions of the City of Bell, Los Angeles has found a source of income to offset their 1 billion dollar deficit due to their shortfall on the pension funds and to pay for 600 million dollar high schools.


21 posted on 11/17/2010 9:30:56 AM PST by realcleanguy
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To: Brookhaven
Well, if they would get rid of the minimum wage for kids then they could bring back grocery deliver boys with their bicycles with the small front wheel and large basket.

http://www.bicyclemuseum.net/pictures/Schwinn_Yellow_Truck.jpg

Or this:

http://triporteurs.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/p1480.jpg?w=470

22 posted on 11/17/2010 9:31:23 AM PST by BwanaNdege ("a comeuppance is due the arrogant elites" - Charles Krauthammer)
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To: La Lydia

Correct. That deficit will hit 1 billion this year


23 posted on 11/17/2010 9:31:43 AM PST by realcleanguy
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To: rahbert

RE: I have a soccer ball bag from Sports Authority that
works great as a grocery bag (or laundry bag).


Have you looked at the tag to see where it’s made?


24 posted on 11/17/2010 9:32:07 AM PST by WebFocus
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To: BwanaNdege
RE: The pictures you posted
You're not allowed to take them into the super market. Here are some suggestions...





Even Monica Lewinsky started her own bag business... See the samples below...


BTW, I looked... the first two are made in China. I don't know where Monica turned to for the bags she designed.
25 posted on 11/17/2010 9:36:54 AM PST by WebFocus
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To: WebFocus

Time to buy stock in whatever corporation produces small waste-bin liners, because a spike in sales may be coming. Many of us save our plastic bags for that purpose.


26 posted on 11/17/2010 9:38:09 AM PST by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: WebFocus

Plastic is out here in Hawaii as of Jan. 1.


27 posted on 11/17/2010 9:41:35 AM PST by fish hawk
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To: WebFocus
But it could only help local businesses, which wouldn't have to buy thousands of bags each month from China.

And they can sell you more bags with their names on it that you pay anywhere from $.15 to $5.00 to purchase and provide their stores free advertising. Go ahead, ban the throw away bags, the stores will make more money selling bags that they used to give away for free.

However, most of those "eco-friendly" bags are made in China, too!

28 posted on 11/17/2010 9:47:39 AM PST by Tamar1973 (Germans in 1932 thought they were voting for change too.)
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To: WebFocus

I know what would piss them all off, while shopping buy a some Heftys kitchen trash bags and demand that your groceries be packed in them, when you get home you can re-use those bags as trash bags.

That would drive the libs standing in line INSANE!


29 posted on 11/17/2010 9:48:28 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Ben Mugged
They are trying to force californicos to use "reuseable" bags which have already been shown to carry diseases.

Not if you wash them once in a while.

30 posted on 11/17/2010 9:48:38 AM PST by Tamar1973 (Germans in 1932 thought they were voting for change too.)
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To: WebFocus

Why does everything have to be so hard?

Charge for the plastic bags and when you come back into the store bring them with you and the store refunds your money and they get recycled...just as we had returnable bottles decades ago. It was no big deal.

And do this for plastic bottles etc as well.

I’m one person who is sick and tired of people throwing these bottles out their car window ..my road is a mess.


31 posted on 11/17/2010 9:50:13 AM PST by hoyt-clagwell (5:00 AM Gym Crew)
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To: WebFocus
ULine has those bags on sale for 3-4¢ each in 1000 quantity, and they are far from the cheapest place to buy packaging. They also have what look like typical grocery sized paper bags for about 8¢ each.
32 posted on 11/17/2010 9:50:51 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Dems' response to 11/2: Do not go gentle into that new day,Rage,rage against the coming of the dawn!)
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To: Brookhaven

In fact, one other article I read mentioned that people who reuse the bags to pick up dog poop and the like, will now have to BUY other plastic bags.

Unsurprisingly, they have not thought this out.

Having said that, I hate those plastic bags and have canvas sacks I put in my trunk for the store. I would not have banned them though.


33 posted on 11/17/2010 9:51:37 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I love BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: WebFocus

Bacteria bags disease for everyone unless washed between shopping rounds.


34 posted on 11/17/2010 9:52:38 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: WebFocus

I don’t have to look. I know that most everything is
made in (ring gong) the PRC.

Are you boycotting the PRC? Good luck!


35 posted on 11/17/2010 9:57:25 AM PST by rahbert
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To: edcoil

Anyone want to place a bet that the County Supervisors whom made this law so, also have stock in the Company’s that make those $2 cloth bags they want you to buy to get you purchases home in.


36 posted on 11/17/2010 9:58:45 AM PST by DAC21
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To: BelegStrongbow
try to carry the goods out of the store in their arms??

I think my coat can carry one 16 oz. can of peas in each pocket. I think my pack pack can handle a chicken or two, sushi and some couscous couscous and if I use two of those “green” bags I can manage my whole grocery list. Life is such a breeze in CA;)

37 posted on 11/17/2010 10:05:49 AM PST by Bitsy
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To: WebFocus

String bags would get my vote...I take them along when traveling coz’ they take up hardly any room in your purse and can be whipped out if your purchase stuff. They just keep expanding, expanding and expanding as you stuff things in...and they are washable. Lots of European stores don’t provide free bags...my Mum used sturdy canvas bags, and leather bags, for toting home groceries when we lived there...and I can’t recall they were ever washed, although she sponged off obvious stains. The break down in the food chain wasn’t as prevalent then, and food wasn’t imported much as now. Maybe a partial answer to disease prevention is buy locally.


38 posted on 11/17/2010 10:09:21 AM PST by kiltie65
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Are plastic garbage bags included in the ban? How are you supposed to dispose of the household trash?

I don’t get the thing about reusable bags breeding disease. If the food comes in cans or boxes, if your produce is put in a plastic bag, how is there disease in the reusable bag?


39 posted on 11/17/2010 10:10:37 AM PST by radiohead (Buy ammo, get your kids out of government schools, pray for the Republic.)
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To: rahbert

Bingo! Or you can sew a few bags or buy some from a local seamstress. Inexpensive, providing work for Americans.


40 posted on 11/17/2010 10:11:46 AM PST by TexNewMex
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To: Tamar1973

You wash them. I’ll carry my own plastic bags thank you very much.


41 posted on 11/17/2010 10:13:30 AM PST by Ben Mugged (Your refusing to accept the facts doesn't change the facts. Matt Dillon)
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To: ColdOne
"I wonder what the untended consequences of this will be?"

The tree huggers will come out enmasse and declare that we are destroying the Rain forest, just like they did in the 70's which brought about the plastic grocery bags in the 1st place.......

42 posted on 11/17/2010 10:21:39 AM PST by sniper63 (I am the leader of the TEA Party, I, myself am the leader of me, myself for I am the TEA Party!)
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To: WebFocus

Are these the same idiots who insisted that we replace paper bags with plastic bags, to save the trees?


43 posted on 11/17/2010 10:22:36 AM PST by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: US_MilitaryRules
What are people going to pick up their dogs crap with?

Not just for dogs. They are wonderful for little baby bombs, as well. We also use them for garbage bags in the little bathroom trash cans. The ones the guests don't see, anyway.

44 posted on 11/17/2010 10:23:23 AM PST by tnlibertarian (Hey D. C., tax increases are not spending cuts. Nor do tax cuts constitute increased spending.)
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To: sniper63
The tree huggers will come out enmasse and declare that we are destroying the Rain forest, just like they did in the 70's which brought about the plastic grocery bags in the 1st place...... their it is!!! I forgot about that one.
45 posted on 11/17/2010 10:40:14 AM PST by ColdOne (Repeal Healthcare......NO COMPROMISE.......ever!)
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To: Ben Mugged

I know some people who work at WalMart, and they say reusable bags are a nightmare, especially when customers bring ‘em in infested with cockroaches.


46 posted on 11/17/2010 10:46:06 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Now taking suggestions for a new screen name.)
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To: reagan_fanatic

Paper bags are the same. Roaches lay their eggs in the bottom folds and customers take them home where the eggs hatch.


47 posted on 11/17/2010 10:51:24 AM PST by Ben Mugged (Your refusing to accept the facts doesn't change the facts. Matt Dillon)
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To: Brookhaven

just remember that it was the consrvation LEFT that wanted to end PAPAER bags and all the trees they used. Now Calif. will be clear cutting forests again to solve this problem. Thos cloth bags have more germs and disease problems than anyone figured...that is why cloth went away in place of paper and then palstic to SAVE TEH TREES. HAH they forget why the do things like MTBE and Plastic bags.


48 posted on 11/17/2010 11:10:08 AM PST by q_an_a (a)
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To: WebFocus
Considerably more energy is required to make a paper bag than a plastic one.
Considerably more energy is required to recycle a paper bag than a plastic one.
Considerably more landfill space is required to dispose of paper bags than is needed for plastic.
And once in that landfill, the carbon in the plastic will stay locked up for a thousand years while the carbon in paper will make it's way back into the atmosphere as greenhouse gas methane.

This illustrates once again how stupid and counterproductive you end up being when you allow emotion to drive your decision-making processes instead of logic and rational thought.

49 posted on 11/17/2010 11:18:45 AM PST by Hoodat ( Don't touch my junk, Bro !)
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To: rahbert
I have a soccer ball bag from Sports Authority that works great as a grocery bag (or laundry bag). Its a large bag made from net material, can be washed, and holds as much as you can carry.

yeah, that's going to work real well with bags of chips and eggs mixed with meats, milk and bread. Then throw in some veggies and jars of condiments. Grocery shopping for 8 people is going to be just peachy. But it's California and really I could give a sh#t what they do there. I haven't been back in over 17 years except for a layover. I'm looking forward to the rest of the country being asked to bail out California.

50 posted on 11/17/2010 12:07:59 PM PST by Dick Vomer (Our President-A modest man, who has much to be modest about.)
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