Pakistan to arm fighter jets with Chinese missiles .

Times Online ^ | 11/18/2010 | Mohideen Mifthah

[ErnstStavroBlofeld]

If you do not like my posts go somewhere else. I use a variety of sources.

[sukhoi-30mki]

Umm, there’s no point in getting personal about it. The majority of FR threads attract negative comments-which relate to the article not the poster. Posting stuff from Strategypage is equivalent to relying on an amateur blog which doesn’t care about accuracy.

[ErnstStavroBlofeld]

Well, people like my posts because you are jealous. I will continue to get posts from Strategypage until I am told from management not to

[sukhoi-30mki]

Whew I never knew I was jealous of you.

[ErnstStavroBlofeld]

I will have no further contact with you.

[spetznaz]

As Sukhoi30MKI said, StrategyPage as a source (and you used it as a source when you 'responded' to my post) is as useful as an ....well, I think you got the drift. It is a nice place to get last week's latest update, but they make a LOT of mistakes.

Anyways ...your response. So, your only counter to what I posted is that SP excerpt? Do you HONESTLY believe that Chinese technology is 'light years' ahead of Russian? Seriously? When the Chinese cannot even design an afterburning engine that does not have problems. When their aircraft RADAR technology is not up to par with what the Ruskies had in the mid-1980s. When they cannot even get the wing-folding of their SU-33 copy right (yet the Russians are finalizing on a 5th gen). When, even with stocks of Russian S-300 as well as (from wherever they got it) Patriot guidance technology, their HQ-9 is not even as good as earlier S-300 variants.

Don't get me wrong ...the Chinese are growing by leaps and bounds, and they are definitely not the same China from the mid-1970s. They are not to be underestimated.

However ESB, there is no need for hyperbole. When the Chinese perfect their WS-10 to late 1980s Russian engine standards (I hear now it is getting better, but they still had to order a new batch Russian ALs all the same), or when they can build a 4th Gen fighter that doesn't have major vibration issues, then get back to me. However, saying they are light years ahead is a lie ...it could be an ignorant lie, a stupid lie, or an insane lie. But it is definitely a lie.

You say you post from StrategyPage to educate people ....educate yourself first, and as I told Thunder90 or whatever he is called now quite a number of months back (he tends to over amplify Russian military capabilities), there is no need for hyperbole. The Chinese are getting better and better stuff, but they are not light years ahead of any higher near-peer (US, Russia, Japan) in mid to high end military technology.

Going back to your StrategyPage post ...if the Russians 'admit their stuff sucks,' yet the Chinese technology is failing them to the extent they are going back to try and get more AL engines and find out how the wing folding of the SU-33 works (even though they had one from the Ukraine), then what does THAT say about Chinese technology?

[Cringing Negativism Network]

Well if we keep sending our factories, our technology, our national wealth and our intellectual property to China as we are now.

Won’t be long, before WE are the ones trying to copy their stuff.

While they become the biggest arms factory in world history.

[Cringing Negativism Network]

“... They are not to be underestimated.”

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Frankly that’s all I see on FR, and from the people who are allegedly supposed to be leading our country and looking out for our national interests:

Underestimating our adversaries.

In every direction. But particularly, with regards to the Peoples Republic of China.

[spetznaz]

I totally agree with you. China is not to be underestimated, and they have made some VERY serious improvements over the last two decades, in particular over the last one. Their developments over a myriad of areas (ranging from phased arrays for some of their ships to armor that is not simple-rolled homogenous to tactics and training improvement) are truly astonishing. 30 years ago China was known for bicycles, rice and silly Gung Fu movies. Now they are a major regional military power, and a global economic power. Their reach extends across a good portion of the globe (I keep ranting on how the West is giving Africa to the Chinese on a silver platter, and how that will come back to haunt the West some day. The most interesting response I got for that, a year or more ago now, is that it doesn't matter because the only thing to be found in Africa is 'beetle dung.' That was from a FReeper).

In other threads I have said that some day the US will be dealt a very bloody nose by the Chinese. Not that they will defeat the US in a war, but that they do NOT have to! The sinking of a US ship (e.g. an Arleigh Burke that got unlucky) would lead to so much hue and cry back home that Viet Nam would look like a joke. With the polarization of the US (where the country is 40:40 split across the middle, with the remaining 20 swinging one way or the other, and with the degree of polarization being so stark that nothing a Dem prez can do will ever be good for the Reps, and nothing a Rep prez can do will ever be good for the Dems) ...anyways, with the polarization of the US China would not have to win. It only needs to do something of significance, and the media plus the other party (whichever the other party is) will do the rest for them. As long as China doesn't do anything stupid (like nukes), which it would not do anyways.

Thus, I am very cognizant of the threat that China will bring to bear in the future.

The only thing is that threat doesn't need to be mixed with inaccuracies.

Sure, Nile Crocodiles are dangerous beasts that kill a lot of people, but I do not need to say that they have wings, fly around, breath fire and can curdle your milk with a breath and turn you to marble with a stare!

That is the issue I have. As for China ...unless the US lifts its skirts someday China may be a bane. However, they are not even close to Russia let alone the US. 15-20 years from now ...that may be different (assuming the other countries remain stagnant, and looking at what Russian and India, the US-India-Australia, South Korea, and Japan are doing ...that may not be the case. China is slowly been surrounded. Even Viet Nam is in it, and Japan makes me chuckle at their 'helicopter carriers.').