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Podesta: Obama Can Use ‘Armed Forces’ to Push Progressive Agenda (WTF?!?)
The Blaze ^ | 11/18/10 | Jonathon Seidl

Posted on 11/18/2010 10:10:08 AM PST by My Favorite Headache

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To: Religion and Politics

“Wow. Unbelievable. Two more years and out they go. That is unless the “powers of the President” can be used to cancel elections and/or ignore their results.”

Or attempt to overturn them.

“Soros’s Role in Kenya Chaos”

“...Following Kenya’s disputed elections of December 2007, activists funded by Soros’ Open Society Institute demanded that the election be overturned. The country erupted into violence, leaving more than 1,100 people dead and some 350,000 homeless. Thousands were injured, tortured, mutilated and raped...”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2625777/posts


141 posted on 11/18/2010 11:21:03 AM PST by 444Flyer ("The contest for ages has been to rescue liberty from the grasp of executive power." -Daniel Webster)
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To: jazusamo
Podesta should pay more attention to history.


This one is more instructive...


142 posted on 11/18/2010 11:21:44 AM PST by Paine in the Neck (Napolean fries the idea powder.)
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To: TommyDale

A two-thirds vote of both houses (i.e., both the Senate and the House of Representatives) is required to overturn an executive order.


143 posted on 11/18/2010 11:23:02 AM PST by TommyDale
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To: Clock King

self ping


144 posted on 11/18/2010 11:25:02 AM PST by Outlaw Woman (Lock & Load-Coming to a Neighborhood near you)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Perhaps Podesta should really take a good look at both the blue/red map and the new governor controlled state maps and think long and hard on what he says. No way states like Indiana, Texas, and a whole bunch of others would ever allow this to happen without having a say in matters.


145 posted on 11/18/2010 11:25:18 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: ConservativeChris

I’m saying that it doesn’t have to come to shooting. Communists only resort to shooting during the “normalization” phase. And that doesn’t usually come until the avenues for resistance have already been mostly closed off through covert operations that don’t appear to be illegal.

That’s what I think Podesta is talking about. He’s not going to tell soldiers to shoot. The country’s not quite ready for that yet. First he’s got to demoralize the military - which is being done right now as the elements of Article 92 are being written out of courts-martial proceedings and as soldiers are being trained to look only at the lawfulness of their particular specific orders.

I once gave a variation of this example, which was not well-received at all by the people arguing against Lakin: Soldier A is ordered to move the prisoners to the “shower” area. Soldier B is ordered to turn on the “shower”. Soldier C is told to remove the dead bodies from the “shower” area. What soldier’s individual orders were unlawful? Whch orders could be disobeyed and on what justification?

The military’s answers to those questions determine exactly what Obama can do through our military. What I hear the military “experts” saying does not reassure me in the slightest. They apparently have not learned at all from WWII. The minute regulations are so Lilliputian that a soldier is never allowed to see the big picture and evaluate the net result of him following his individual, “lawful” orders.

Another approach that Podesta/Obama/Soros can have is to incite the public to rebellion/resistance. And if we the people ever resort to shooting/rebellion, whoever is POTUS can call in the military to put down the rebellion.

I asked a military friend of mine whether SCOTUS was evading the eligibility issue because they feared riots and he said no, riots wouldn’t be a problem. He said in the bigger cities where the riots would occur, the military could be called into a martial law scenario and establish order in no time.

It was a comfort at the time he said that, but it also made me realize that if a soldier’s friends and relatives just happen to be on the wrong side of a “riot” - like maybe resistance to the TSA stuff or whatever unconstitutional move Obama makes next - soldiers will not even have time to think about who they are suppressing.

In that event, all bets would be off, unless each soldier had already planned out ahead of time what they would do if called to quash a rebellion in the area where they knew they had friends and loved ones. But how would that be different than the Shiite forces deciding which areas of Baghdad they will refuse to really patrol? See what a mess we’d be in?

This is why the bigger issue of a Constitutional president and the ability of the people to hold their government to the rule of law and the Constitution is so vital. If we ever reach this level of confrontation the nation will be sunk. I’m afriad we’re getting there faster than any of us thought possible even just a year ago.


146 posted on 11/18/2010 11:25:29 AM PST by butterdezillion (.)
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To: 444Flyer

“Remember, you are the 1st Marines! Not all the Communists in Hell can overrun you!”~Lt. Gen. “Chesty” Puller

How many Chesty Pullers do we have today?


147 posted on 11/18/2010 11:25:50 AM PST by Roklok
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To: Paine in the Neck

Absolutely agree and thought about posting that. Decided I’d get the message across with the one I posted. :)


148 posted on 11/18/2010 11:27:32 AM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: butterdezillion
AS long as no military person was ordered to do an overtly illegal action the order would be “lawful” - if you accept the arguments set forth by the military legal “experts”.

Not necessarily . . . there's a gray area there. After going over a whole program of study which included an examination of stuff like Calley and even Ollie North, we were taught to consider the whole of the action and then let our moral compass be the guide.

149 posted on 11/18/2010 11:28:35 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: MeganC

“There’s that “domestic military” Obama said he wanted.”

He’s forgetting about the REAL domestic military that will awaken the instant he tries to enact Martial Law using his panty-waste Acorn-Black Panther ‘military’ boobs. Every FReedom-loving American I know will fight his takeover at all cost.

We ain’t goin’ down easy, Mr. Zero.

GET OUT OF MY HOUSE!!!


150 posted on 11/18/2010 11:29:06 AM PST by panaxanax (IMPEACH THE MUSLIM MARXIST....NOW!!!)
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To: Travis McGee


Travis, I just started on the first volume last night. I was up reading 'til 2 am. Your setup premise is frighteningly plausible.

Get these books, folks, and start reading. It will scare you to death.

151 posted on 11/18/2010 11:29:22 AM PST by Paine in the Neck (Napolean fries the idea powder.)
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To: Roklok
How many Chesty Pullers do we have today?

Plenty. Never underestimate the quality of the men and women who serve in our armed forces.

Okay, except for the Air Force . . . they're all a bunch of fags.

152 posted on 11/18/2010 11:30:44 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Michael Barnes
I lived in Northridge during the L.A riots, I could stand on my roof and see the fires and smoke. Willie Brown got on TV and all but told his bretheren to go out and riot and cause mayham.

Those who participated were criminal thugs who were not fighting for their freedom but bent on destruction of property and some were arrested, not shot by the military. Also note that Korea town was virtually untouched due to the fact the residents took up arms. IIRC, no military or guard was even sent there because he people had it under control.

As an aside, I also lived in Northridge when the quake of 94 hit and the national guard was deployed because of the mass looting that was occurring, no one was shot.

I don't think your analogy really fits.

153 posted on 11/18/2010 11:30:55 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Moderates manipulate, extremists use violence, but the goal is the same.)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

Has the “moral compass” guide been tested in court-martial?


154 posted on 11/18/2010 11:34:02 AM PST by butterdezillion (.)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

How many Chesty Pullers do we have today?
Plenty. Never underestimate the quality of the men and women who serve in our armed forces.

Okay, except for the Air Force . . . they’re all a bunch of fags.

I had no doubt when I served from 1963-1984. No doubts about the Marines either. Not sure about the Army.


155 posted on 11/18/2010 11:36:47 AM PST by Roklok
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To: My Favorite Headache

Back in the 1930’s in Germany?


156 posted on 11/18/2010 11:37:21 AM PST by Twinkie
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To: My Favorite Headache
FWIW, some people think that it's offensive and cheapens FR.

No answer required.

157 posted on 11/18/2010 11:38:54 AM PST by duckln
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
AS I have posted before,I worked with a young National Guardsman who stated most forcefully that he would not hesitate to bayonet American citizens engaged in passive resistance;so how ready do you think he would be to fire if given the order?

ANd this is ANOTHER reason I think SWAT police teams are dangerous to liberty.

Plus you may be sure that the internet and news services will be the first things to be seized or shutdown in the event the tyrants decide the time is ripe.

All those opposing the birthers are enablers of an illegal fraudulent president.

158 posted on 11/18/2010 11:40:33 AM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: kozanne
I don’t believe that, either. But I can SURE visualize those guys with the blue helmets from the building in NY [The UN] being more than happy to ‘do the jobs Americans won’t do’.

Well they do make for easy targets:


159 posted on 11/18/2010 11:40:48 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Moderates manipulate, extremists use violence, but the goal is the same.)
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To: PATRIOT1876
Podesta is a crook if he is encouraging 0bama to circumvent the Constitution!!

Maybe the operative word here is Sedition? Or Treason. The Kenyan took the oath to uphold and protect the Constitution not subvert it for LIBBY PROGRESSIVE agenda of TRANSFORMATION. Maybe it means nothing if he is really not a legit President????
160 posted on 11/18/2010 11:43:23 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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