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The Chinese Coal Monster - running out of puff(??)
The Oil Drum ^ | November 20, 2010 - 11:32am | Euan Mearns

Posted on 11/22/2010 1:55:42 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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1 posted on 11/22/2010 1:55:45 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: NormsRevenge; steelyourfaith; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; tubebender; Carry_Okie; Brad's Gramma; ...

fyi


2 posted on 11/22/2010 1:57:56 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Clive; scripter; Darnright; WL-law; bamahead; carolinablonde; SolitaryMan; ...
Thanx Ernest_at_the_Beach !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

3 posted on 11/22/2010 2:03:57 PM PST by steelyourfaith (ObamaCare Death Panels: a Final Solution to the looming Social Security crisis ?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Now that they own the US government, they can always take ours—especially since our watermelon environmentalists won’t let us use it anymore.</sarc>


4 posted on 11/22/2010 2:05:08 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Obama is like a rocket scientist....who's trying to do brain surgery with a hammer.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Don’t know much about coal, but have heard peak oil since the 70s. Of course there are a lot less people in the world today and no one drives anymore...


5 posted on 11/22/2010 2:05:34 PM PST by SouthTexas (WE are the Wave)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
My girlfriend's parents live in China. Apparently they have a set date of when the government turns on furnaces/heaters for residential areas. It doesn't matter how cold it gets, you have to wait until that day or until the glorious regime decides to change that date.

My guess is, if they get constrained on coal, they'll just change that date, make it a little later, and let some people freeze until they can build up their infrastructure.

It's not like China cares much about people protesting. =/

6 posted on 11/22/2010 2:05:43 PM PST by Marko413
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Chinese coal seam fires produce more CO2 annually than all the US cars and light duty trucks.


7 posted on 11/22/2010 2:05:56 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Or they could just modernize their plants. A lot of their power plants are older, low efficiency types. Cheap to build, but expensive to operate. In prior years their major concern was just getting plants on line as quickly as possible. Start replacing older plants with more efficient plants and they could stretch their vast coal reserves a lot farther.

Also their mining technology is abysmal. Very labor intensive and as a result it wastes a lot of resources just getting the coal out of the ground.
8 posted on 11/22/2010 2:08:29 PM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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"Chinese coal seam fires produce more CO2..."

Interesting, do you have a reference...would love to share with a few of my green "friends".

9 posted on 11/22/2010 2:19:06 PM PST by Red Dog #1
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

When the day is done, China will not be able to limit its consumption of coal...they are industrializing too fast to try something like that. You’ve got to remember that many of the current coal fired power plants were built without the government’s approval (regional provinces authorized them). The same thing will happen if the government tries to limit coal consumption. China will simply import more coal from Australia and Indonesia.


10 posted on 11/22/2010 2:21:14 PM PST by NRG1973
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To: Red Dog #1

http://www.gi.alaska.edu/~prakash/coalfires/china.html


11 posted on 11/22/2010 2:23:59 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Red Dog #1

“In China alone, the figures given by various scientific groups vary in this regard. According to reports of the Beijing Remote Sensing Corporation (BRSC), Aerophotogrammetry and Remote Sensing Bureau of China Coal (ARSC) and works of Professor Guan Haiyan from China, the annual loss of coal due to coal fires in China is between 10 to 20 million tons. However, figures given by Rozema et al. in 1993 are 10 times higher which means that 100 to 200 million tons of coal are lost due to coal fires in China. Assuming these latter figures to be a realistic measure of the coal being burnt, the CO2 emitted, solely due to these fires, would amount to 2 to 3 percent of the world’s total CO2 emission due to fossil fuels. “


12 posted on 11/22/2010 2:27:10 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: NRG1973
"Chinese coal seam fires produce more CO2..." Interesting, do you have a reference...would love to share with a few of my green "friends". ====================================================== Here's one link for you...and I'm copying the key paragraph:

http://www.post-gazette.com/healthscience/20030215coalenviro4p4.asp

The Chinese fires also make a big, hidden contribution to global warming through the greenhouse effect, scientists said. Each year they release 360 million tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, as much as all the cars and light trucks in the United States.

13 posted on 11/22/2010 2:28:50 PM PST by NRG1973
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To: GonzoGOP; Paladin2; Red Dog #1
Meanwhile the Global AGW crowd will have a meeting soon in Cancun...I just posted this:

A double whammy of reality preceding the Cancun COP16 climate summit

14 posted on 11/22/2010 2:40:12 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I see no problem with the Chinese running out of coal or energy sources.

All they need to do is to consult with the American proponents of alternate (but green) energy sources and they’ll be set for life.


15 posted on 11/22/2010 2:42:10 PM PST by adorno
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To: adorno

The other fact is that their coal usage will peak and then decline, just as it happened in the west. Also, their peak coal consumption is coming around pretty soon. 20 years, and their population will be dropping, not increasing.


16 posted on 11/22/2010 2:46:48 PM PST by BenKenobi (DonÂ’t worry about being effective. Just concentrate on being faithful to the truth.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Twenty five percent of the solids (particles) in the air in the Los Angeles Basin presently comes from China.


17 posted on 11/22/2010 2:47:30 PM PST by blam
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The air is filthy here,...messes up all my fans on my computers.


18 posted on 11/22/2010 2:48:56 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Chinese Pollution Blows Into North America

"In one severe dust storm in 1998, particle pollution levels in Oregon, Washington and British Columbia soared. In Seattle, air-quality officials could not identify a local source of the pollution, but measurements showed that 75 per cent of it came from China.

"A larger fraction of the haze we see is Asian, far more than we ever dreamed," said Tom Cahill, professor of atmospheric science and physics at the University of California, Davis."

19 posted on 11/22/2010 3:01:33 PM PST by blam
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The NE Pa mines are coming back on line due to the Chinese
20 posted on 11/22/2010 3:07:53 PM PST by Tribune7 (The Democrat Party is not a political organization but a religious cult.)
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