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Beating the TSA: How a determined passenger spent hours arguing his rights before being waved thru
The Daily MailOnline ^ | 23rd November 2010 | James White

Posted on 11/23/2010 12:22:45 PM PST by Tucson_AZ

It's the solution that millions of American airline passengers have been searching for - how to avoid bodyscanners and intrusive pat-downs when they fly.

Now one patient traveller has proved it is possible to bypass the high-level security measures in place at all airports, but only if you have time on your hands.

Blogger Matt Kernan recorded his epic experience as he returned to North Kentucky International Airport in Cincinnati from Paris on Sunday.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: 4thamendment; airport; airports; fourthamendment; mattkernan; obama; scan; tsa; tsapervs
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...And then came the most ridiculous scene of which I’ve ever been a part. I gather my things – jacket, scarf, hat, briefcase, chocolates. We walk over to the staff entrance and he scans his badge to let me through. We walk down the long hallway that led back to the baggage claim area. We skip the escalators and moving walkways. As we walk, there are TSA officials stationed at apparent checkpoints along the route. As we pass them, they form part of the circle that is around me. By the end of the walk, I count 13 TSA officials and 2 uniformed police officers forming a circle around me. We reach the baggage claim area, and everyone stops at the orange line. The Supervisor grunts, “Have a nice day,” and leaves.

In order to enter the USA, I was never touched, I was never “Backscatted,” and I was never metal detected. In the end, it took 2.5 hours, but I proved that it is possible.

original source: http://noblasters.com/

1 posted on 11/23/2010 12:22:55 PM PST by Tucson_AZ
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To: Tucson_AZ

He had just gotten off a plane.


2 posted on 11/23/2010 12:25:11 PM PST by elpinta (TSA: Feds gone wild)
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To: elpinta

Maybe he should brag, after he tries to get on a plane, without TSA examining him.


3 posted on 11/23/2010 12:30:33 PM PST by Kackikat (There is no such thing as a free lunch, because someone paid, somewhere.)
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To: elpinta

I know, but if you read the whole story the TSA ‘policy’ was strip-search machine or groping. Eventually, he had to do neither.


4 posted on 11/23/2010 12:30:54 PM PST by Tucson_AZ (A million seconds ~ 12 days; a billion ~ 31 years; a trillion ~ 31,000 years - now think dollars)
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To: Tucson_AZ

They have no controlling legal authority. Only intimidation of the Sheeple.


5 posted on 11/23/2010 12:31:01 PM PST by screaminsunshine (Americanism vs Communism)
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To: elpinta

He could’ve saved 2 1/2 hours if he’d just come across the Rio Grande.


6 posted on 11/23/2010 12:31:01 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: Tucson_AZ

This was AFTER he flew, got OFF the plane, and AFTER he went through customs- just to walk back into the aiport to get his baggage AND GO home!!!

Now you get groped or irradiated when you get OFF the plane and want to go home????

TSA is out of control.


7 posted on 11/23/2010 12:31:28 PM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: elpinta

I’ve never been in an airport where passengers on their way out were subject to search. This story seems a bit odd in that respect.


8 posted on 11/23/2010 12:34:18 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: silverleaf

That is all correct - apparently TSA policy is to add you to their bio-metric database via the strip-search machines - or (attempt to) abuse you if you refuse - even if you are ARRIVING by airplane into the USA.


9 posted on 11/23/2010 12:36:45 PM PST by Tucson_AZ (A million seconds ~ 12 days; a billion ~ 31 years; a trillion ~ 31,000 years - now think dollars)
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To: mvpel
International flight, from a country that has been taken over by radical Islamic muslums.

France.

So I guess they routinely check arrivals from out of the country

10 posted on 11/23/2010 12:38:03 PM PST by Syncro (Sarah Palin, the unofficial Tea Party candidate for president--Virtual Jerusalem)
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To: Tucson_AZ

We strip-Xray and/or molest people getting off a plane but NEVER inspect any cargo coming into our ports? Something seems bass-ackward here. Perhaps its just me.


11 posted on 11/23/2010 12:40:05 PM PST by surroundedbyblue
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To: Tucson_AZ
Union President John Gage called for more information on the searches including leaflets for passengers.

He said: 'TSA must act now — before the Thanksgiving rush — to ensure that TSOs are not being left to fend for themselves.'


Yes, Mr. Gage, the problem is obviously the ignorance of the flying public, not the procedures themselves. They just need to be informed that the 4th Amendment doesn't apply to air travellers.
12 posted on 11/23/2010 12:42:21 PM PST by The Pack Knight (Laugh, and the world laughs with you. Weep, and the world laughs at you.)
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To: screaminsunshine
They have no controlling legal authority.

I agree. This should be tested in court.

The ACLU sues over just about anything. Why aren't they suing over this? Oh...that's right...this affects law-abiding citizens, and the ACLU doesn't defend their rights.

13 posted on 11/23/2010 12:43:46 PM PST by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: Tucson_AZ
Backscatted

Interesting. Is the the scat that comes from the backside?

14 posted on 11/23/2010 12:46:07 PM PST by SERKIT (TSA-Form 2 Lines: Irradiation or Humiliation)
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To: mvpel

I think I’m going to have to research this a bit further.


15 posted on 11/23/2010 12:52:46 PM PST by jazminerose (o)
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To: Tucson_AZ

mark


16 posted on 11/23/2010 12:55:15 PM PST by SweetCaroline (He is the Antichrist that denieth the Father and the Son. 1-John 2:22)
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To: Tucson_AZ

Has ever one forgotten about http://history1900s.about.com/od/1900s/a/typhoidmary.htm Typhoid Mary? What about the STD’s that could be transmitted through body fluids...after they’ve had their hands on your private parts.


17 posted on 11/23/2010 12:57:13 PM PST by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, retired Military, disabled & Seniors)
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To: B Knotts
The ACLU sues over just about anything. Why aren't they suing over this? Oh...that's right...this affects law-abiding citizens, and the ACLU doesn't defend their rights.

Who needs the ACLU? Where's the conservative equivalent? maybe the Thomas Moore Law Center?

18 posted on 11/23/2010 1:07:51 PM PST by cll (I am the warrant and the sanction)
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To: cll

It’s just an observation. What if the Border Patrol was doing this to illegal aliens? The ACLU would sue in a second.


19 posted on 11/23/2010 1:15:09 PM PST by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: Tucson_AZ; ExTexasRedhead; null and void; Nachum; blackie; Rushmore Rocks; LucyT; Candor7; caww
The Supervisor grunts, “Have a nice day,” and leaves.

He was fortunate. Americans who complain about the TSA or these procedures are apparently now called "domestic extremists:"

DHS and TSA - making a list, checking it twice

Snip: (referring to what appears to be an administrative directive):

It labels any person who “interferes” with TSA airport security screening procedure protocol and operations by actively objecting to the established screening process, “including but not limited to the anticipated national opt-out day”  as a “domestic extremist.” The label is then broadened to include “any person, group or alternative media source” that actively objects to, causes others to object to, supports  and/or elicits support for anyone who engages in such travel disruptions at U.S. airports in response to the enhanced security procedures.

20 posted on 11/23/2010 1:15:34 PM PST by MamaDearest
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To: Tucson_AZ
It's the solution that millions of American airline passengers have been searching for - how to avoid bodyscanners and intrusive pat-downs when they fly.

It's simple: get elected.

21 posted on 11/23/2010 1:34:23 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("I'd rather lose fighting for the right cause than win fighting for the wrong cause." - Jim DeMint)
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To: jazminerose; mvpel

“I think I’m going to have to research this a bit further.”

You may find the procedure has been in place for several years. Assume international travellers have not been subject to an effective security “search”. Should we then let them get on a domestic flight without any U.S. security check?

If international travellers only had access to the public sidewalk after passing through customs, there would be no issue and those of us coming home with no intention of connecting with a flight wouldn’t have to take off our shoes, etc.


22 posted on 11/23/2010 1:38:39 PM PST by frog in a pot (Wake up America! You are losing the war against your families and your Constitution!)
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To: Tucson_AZ

I want it to just go away before I have to fly again, darn it!


23 posted on 11/23/2010 2:06:14 PM PST by LUV W (Atlas has shrugged)
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To: frog in a pot
If international travellers only had access to the public sidewalk after passing through customs

Here at SeaTac you have the option of the "public sidewalk" or search before entering secured area.

24 posted on 11/23/2010 2:22:39 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Why are TSA exempt from their own searches?)
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To: MamaDearest

I do not need to go though a TSA security check to discover I am a domestic extremist.

Anyone who believes inn the Constitution and works for its restoration is an extremist.

I I had my way for a day, the people would go to every TSA station in the country, hook up high pressure fire hoses and drive them out of every airport like greased pigs.


25 posted on 11/23/2010 2:27:57 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_ipthe_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: frog in a pot

It is well known that Muslim women flying into the US do not even have to show their FACES, much less be groped or x-rayed! We do not know who or WHAT is under those burkas.


26 posted on 11/23/2010 2:30:07 PM PST by 2harddrive
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To: Tucson_AZ
I know, but if you read the whole story the TSA ‘policy’ was strip-search machine or groping. Eventually, he had to do neither.

The TSA does NOT require security checks for arriving passengers. He did not beat the TSA, he beat the NKI exit strategy. Instead of having to exit through the secure area per the airport plan, he was escorted through the secure area by security.

27 posted on 11/23/2010 2:30:43 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: silverleaf
This was AFTER he flew, got OFF the plane, and AFTER he went through customs- just to walk back into the aiport to get his baggage AND GO home!!! Now you get groped or irradiated when you get OFF the plane and want to go home???? TSA is out of control.

Per the airport plan, he had to go through the security area to get to his bags and exit the airport.

28 posted on 11/23/2010 2:32:09 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: jazminerose

Here:

http://www.cvgairport.com/terminals/abroad.html


29 posted on 11/23/2010 2:33:36 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: sionnsar
Here at SeaTac you have the option of the "public sidewalk" or search before entering secured area.

I think I can hear the construction of a new sidewalk at NKI already!

30 posted on 11/23/2010 2:36:38 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: MamaDearest
They didn't have to do this, they already have us on their "list"....

Ergo the Canadian Free Press article after the the 1st Tea Party in 09' that they were "their" and taking pictures of "us"... Yes that young lad with the short hair clean cut just running around taking pictures of everyone he could, saw it with my own eyes.....

31 posted on 11/23/2010 2:43:53 PM PST by taildragger ((Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: mvpel

“”I’ve never been in an airport where passengers on their way out were subject to search. This story seems a bit odd in that respect””.

In Atlanta, all arriving international passengers must go through TSA even the ones with Atlanta as final destination since the airport does not have a separate corridor for you to walk to baggage claim. Let us hope the designers of the new international terminal solved that problem.


32 posted on 11/23/2010 2:48:24 PM PST by Phil
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To: taildragger

I can think of a reason to get the names of TSA protestors as opposed to mere Tea Partiers. No doubt there was intelligence gathering on the Tea Parties. But all you had to do was show up, wave a flag, listen to s speech, and “Remember in November.” A TSA protester is head and shoulders above that. They are willing to take on the risk of a direct confrontation with tyrannical authority, with a strong possibility of immediate adverse results. In short, they have the intellect and hero spirit to become leaders of the resistance. They are special, and knowing who they are is an advantage to the tyrants and would justify extra effort in identifying them. The only way I can think of to beat that devilish ploy is to overwhelm it with the Spartacus defense. If we don’t act all as one, it will be way too easy for them to peel us off individually.


33 posted on 11/23/2010 3:02:03 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Phil

Thanks for the information, I had a feeling it had something to do with the airport layout.


34 posted on 11/23/2010 3:06:44 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Tucson_AZ


35 posted on 11/23/2010 3:07:55 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: B Knotts

Imagine the situation if large numbers of travlers follow the same scheme. Insist on the right of free passage. Remain calm but firm. Tie up huge numbers of TSA agents and local police.

The system can’t handle that. It would’t take many doing that is force change.


36 posted on 11/23/2010 3:16:36 PM PST by meatloaf
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To: frog in a pot; jazminerose; mvpel

If he just arrived into the country from overseas, he should have had his passport with him.

That said, an international flight from Paris, France lands in Cincinnati?


37 posted on 11/23/2010 3:31:11 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Tucson_AZ
This was posted on the blog:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
~ U.S. Constitution, 4th Amendment

A citizen of the United States has a public right of transit through the navigable airspace.
~ U.S. Code, 49 U.S.C. § 40103(a)(2)

38 posted on 11/23/2010 3:36:49 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: metmom
If he just arrived into the country from overseas, he should have had his passport with him.

He would not have gotten through customs without it.

That said, an international flight from Paris, France lands in Cincinnati?

US Airways

39 posted on 11/23/2010 3:38:25 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: SeeSac

Yeah, he would have had to get through customs.

I didn’t know any international flights left from there. I didn’t know if it was big enough.


40 posted on 11/23/2010 3:49:55 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GailA
What about the STD’s that could be transmitted through body fluids...after they’ve had their hands on your private parts.

After decades of telling people that they cannot 'catch' STDs from toilet seats, door knobs, etc, we still have adults who think that STDs can be transmitted by pat downs?

C'mon, the grope sessions are bad enough without making us sound stupidly ignorant while objecting.

41 posted on 11/23/2010 4:36:55 PM PST by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: Eagle Eye

I did not say plain pat downs. If you listened to Rush today, some of the TSA agents are not just doing pat downs on the outside of the underclothing.


42 posted on 11/23/2010 6:00:25 PM PST by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, retired Military, disabled & Seniors)
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To: GailA

So what STDs get transmitted that way? Hmmm?


43 posted on 11/23/2010 6:08:07 PM PST by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: MamaDearest

Haven’t checked in for a few days and then I read your post. That is a shocking shade of 1935 Germany.


44 posted on 11/23/2010 6:17:20 PM PST by Oorang (Tyranny thrives where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people - Alex Kozinski)
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To: Springfield Reformer
I can think of a reason to get the names of TSA protestors...A TSA protester is head and shoulders above that. They are willing to take on the risk of a direct confrontation with tyrannical authority, with a strong possibility of immediate adverse results. In short, they have the intellect and hero spirit to become leaders of the resistance. They are special, and knowing who they are is an advantage to the tyrants and would justify extra effort in identifying them. The only way I can think of to beat that devilish ploy is to overwhelm it with the Spartacus defense. If we don’t act all as one, it will be way too easy for them to peel us off individually.

Bingo.

45 posted on 11/23/2010 6:58:13 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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To: Tucson_AZ

Kobayashi Maru


46 posted on 11/23/2010 7:13:28 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce - Karl Marx)
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To: Oztrich Boy

LOL! “I don’t believe in the no win scenario.”


47 posted on 11/23/2010 7:50:10 PM PST by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1993905/posts)
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To: Eagle Eye
So what STDs get transmitted that way? Hmmm?

Herpes is a very common infection. It is caused by two different but closely related viruses. The viruses are herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1) and herpes simplex virus type 2 (HSV-2). Both are easy to catch. They remain in the body for life and can produce symptoms that come and go.

Both forms of herpes can infect the oral area, the genital area, or both. When the infection is on or near the mouth, it is called oral herpes. Oral herpes is caused most often by HSV-1. When a herpes infection is on or near the sex organs, it is called genital herpes. Genital herpes is caused most often by HSV-2. Up to 8 out of 10 American adults have oral herpes. And about 1 out of 4 American adults have genital herpes. Millions of people do not know they have herpes because they never had, or noticed, the herpes symptoms.

Herpes is spread by touching, kissing, and sexual contact, including vaginal, anal, and oral sex. It can be passed from one partner to another and from one part of the body to another. Brief skin-to-skin contact is all that's needed to pass the virus. Because herpes may have no symptoms for years, sometimes it is very difficult to know who passed it to whom.

More info: Planned Parenthood
I figure if anyone has a vested interest in emphasizing the dangers of "unprotected" sex it's these guys.

48 posted on 11/23/2010 8:30:56 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: B Knotts

The most the ACLU will do over this is say they got X number of complaints. Their will be no lawsuit and they will have find some reason to ignore all of the passengers reports over some technicality.


49 posted on 11/23/2010 10:03:24 PM PST by matt04
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To: B Knotts

The most the ACLU will do over this is say they got X number of complaints. Their will be no lawsuit and they will have find some reason to ignore all of the passengers reports over some technicality.


50 posted on 11/23/2010 10:03:35 PM PST by matt04
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