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A Superpower's View of the World (Liberals Open Pandora's Box)
Der Spiegel ^ | 11/29/10 | SPIEGEL Staff

Posted on 11/29/2010 9:12:28 AM PST by Typical_Whitey

251,000 State Department documents, many of them secret embassy reports from around the world, show how the US seeks to safeguard its influence around the world. It is nothing short of a political meltdown for US foreign policy.

(Excerpt) Read more at spiegel.de ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: braking; clintonscandals; cultureofcorruption; democratscandals; documentdump; espionage; obama; obamaforeignpolicy; obamalegacy; obamascandals
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Liberals have called for full disclosure for years especially during the Bush Admin, now Obama and his liberal left-wing nuts have gone and opened Pandora's Box. There should be a full investigation into how and why this happened. Obama should take accountability, he has made the USA less safe in the world. Never before in history has a Superpower lost control of so much sensitive and classified information. The accountability for this failure falls squarely on this President.
1 posted on 11/29/2010 9:12:30 AM PST by Typical_Whitey
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To: Typical_Whitey

Agreed. And I don’t believe for a second that Bradley Manning leaked all of this information by himself.


2 posted on 11/29/2010 9:14:23 AM PST by jpl (Our forebears really gave their lives so we could be groped by bureaucratic retards at the airport?)
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To: Typical_Whitey
Also see: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2634356/posts
3 posted on 11/29/2010 9:15:41 AM PST by MelSmith
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To: Typical_Whitey
Look at all these wonderful diplomatic, and statecraft achievements on the “O” watch!!!

Aren't we lucky?

This is what you get when you choose emotion over substance and DEMONSTRATED character and experience!!

Where will this “O” fiasco leave us?

4 posted on 11/29/2010 9:16:26 AM PST by SMARTY (Conforming to non-conformity is conforming just the same.)
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To: jpl

I wonder how the Media is going to run and help their wonder boy Obama now? Somehow they will make this all about Bush..... I am already hearing snippets about how this is caused because Bush made all the departments share information after 911... .This will be the lefts excuse mark my words...

If republicans fail to hold Obama accountable over this then they will become the whipping boys for it.


5 posted on 11/29/2010 9:17:58 AM PST by Typical_Whitey ("It doesn't matter how smart you are, unless you stop and think".... Thomas Sowell)
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To: Typical_Whitey

I think.... well, I can’t say what I actually think... but it involves:

Gay tiff

Soon to meet an untimely end

maybe three months

heart attack?
car accident?
drug overdose?
suicide?

okay, probably less than three months...10 days?

Anyone want to start a pool?


6 posted on 11/29/2010 9:18:07 AM PST by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: Typical_Whitey

I feel so much better knowing these people run our country. :(:(:(:(:(:(


7 posted on 11/29/2010 9:18:20 AM PST by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: Typical_Whitey

This is Smart Diplomacy at its best.


8 posted on 11/29/2010 9:19:06 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: nolongerademocrat
Anyone want to start a pool?

I'll take that action. Obama needs a fall guy, so that this doesn't get traced up the food chain as to how someone that low down got access to this much unencrypted information. So Manning will remain alive to face a show trial and them be shuttled quietly off to jail. He will remain alive long enough to plead guilty to everything. After that, ten days would be a good estimate. But he will be closely guarded until he can sing his song and distract all attention from The One.
9 posted on 11/29/2010 9:23:33 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Typical_Whitey
I bet the price of those Obama bumpersticker scrapers will go up.

;-)

10 posted on 11/29/2010 9:24:20 AM PST by PATRIOT1876 (Language, Borders, Culture, Full employment for those here legally)
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To: Typical_Whitey

Someone on another website said that in Holland, they are saying that a US soldier leaked the info. I can’t imagine that a US soldier would have that high a security clearance, but I was curious. So I went online to read news in the Netherlands.

Although this has nothing to do with wikileaks, and it’s over two years old, I certainly found it interesting and scary!

Radical Imam Works for Defence Ministry

THE HAGUE, 23/05/08 - A radical Islamic preacher has been hired by the government as a computer expert. Jamal A., alias Abu Ismail, thus gained access to the ICT network of the defence ministry, De Telegraaf reported yesterday.

The preacher is associated with the As-Soennah mosque in The Hague. He serves as right-hand man to its controversial Syrian Imam Jneid Fawaz who cursed filmmaker Theo van Gogh shortly before he was assassinated in November 2004.

Abu Ismail has confirmed that he regularly carries out work for various government organisations on a temporary basis, according to De Telegraaf. “I have worked not just for Defence, but also for other government institutions.”

His work for the computer centre of Defence is said to have led to an investigation by the Military Intelligence and Security Service (MIVD), after which the preacher was removed, the newspaper reported.


11 posted on 11/29/2010 9:25:25 AM PST by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: GonzoGOP

Yep. How much time do you give the other guy?


12 posted on 11/29/2010 9:25:58 AM PST by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: Typical_Whitey

I fully believe that Obama wants all this “leaked” whether he publicly admits it or not because the outcome is the diminishment of the United States stauture and a move to a one-world order of business.


13 posted on 11/29/2010 11:07:53 AM PST by Obadiah (BHO -- out the door in 4!)
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To: Typical_Whitey
TRANSPARENCY

Note, I'll believe that wikileaks is impartial when they leak out Obama's long form birth certificate, his college records, and his original manuscript for his book.

14 posted on 11/29/2010 11:09:24 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: Typical_Whitey

Imagine if someone leaked Putin’s or Hu’s secret documents. Or Chavez’s for that matter. He wouldn’t do it twice, for sure.

Can’t prove it, but my gut feeling is that 0bama did this, like Clinton declassified all the nuke bomb secrets. Somehow someone way up in the power tree thinks this is a good idea.


15 posted on 11/29/2010 11:10:23 AM PST by DBrow
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To: DBrow

Exactly what I was thinking. How come there are no Russian cables here? Or Iranian-based cables, or some other thug regime?


16 posted on 11/29/2010 11:11:54 AM PST by Obadiah (BHO -- out the door in 4!)
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To: nolongerademocrat
Gay tiff?... death?....Anyone want to start a pool?...

Not until you explain wth you're talking about.

17 posted on 11/29/2010 11:16:12 AM PST by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: Typical_Whitey

Fail, after fail, after MEGA-FAIL! on Obama’s watch.
This President has been a disaster for this nation.


18 posted on 11/29/2010 11:18:13 AM PST by tcrlaf (Obama White House=Tammany Hall on the National Mall)
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To: Obadiah

“How come there are no Russian cables here?”

Vladmir would investigate the disappearance of the perp personally, and would express deep regret, like when the entire conservative wing of the Polish government went down in an airplane.

Same for Iranian secret documents.

Anybody knows you don’t mess with a superpower, and would not be looking at a jail term if caught. Or trial, for that matter.


19 posted on 11/29/2010 11:19:44 AM PST by DBrow
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To: Typical_Whitey

It will be interesting to see how old this info is - it could be stuff from the Bush years and not recent items. Either way, somehow the folks that disclose this kind of stuff should be gone after and stopped.


20 posted on 11/29/2010 11:19:48 AM PST by 21twelve ( You can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust ... another lost generation.)
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To: Typical_Whitey

Don’t you have to actually have a foreign policy to have it exposed?


21 posted on 11/29/2010 11:25:00 AM PST by edcoil ("Help the helpless, don't give a shit about the clueless.")
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To: Typical_Whitey
It boggles my mind how this can happen. Even in the Air Force classified documents were kept in a locked safe, inside a locked building, inside a secured compound...and most of them were simply technical manuals.

How does a government allow secret docuements to be posted on the internet?

It hasn't been that long ago that someone would have been tried for treason and shot for such an offense.

My last bit of wonderment is, if these international classified top secret documents can make it out to the world, then by what power or authority is the COLB kept hidden?

There are some evil doings afoot in this country, and it's time they were stopped.
22 posted on 11/29/2010 11:38:27 AM PST by FrankR (Don't let the bastards wear you down!)
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To: theDentist

How long do you think that the people who released this information will survive?


23 posted on 11/29/2010 11:41:26 AM PST by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: nolongerademocrat

Until their natural deaths.


24 posted on 11/29/2010 11:46:11 AM PST by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: nolongerademocrat

and what has their survival rate to do with a ‘gay tiff’ that you mentioned?


25 posted on 11/29/2010 11:47:14 AM PST by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: nolongerademocrat
Anyone want to start a pool?

I'm in.

I'll take (Apparent)suicide in 90 days.

26 posted on 11/29/2010 11:49:47 AM PST by Chuckster (The Department of Homeland Security is the schoolyard bully of the United States.)
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To: Obadiah

Because Wikileaks only had one source (Manning, an American).


27 posted on 11/29/2010 11:50:08 AM PST by avid (Please consider the environmental impact of not printing this posting!)
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To: theDentist

do your own research


28 posted on 11/29/2010 11:51:02 AM PST by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: Chuckster

good choice.


29 posted on 11/29/2010 11:52:02 AM PST by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: nolongerademocrat

Nope, if you can’t explain your own post, I’m not going to try and figure out your thought process. Have a good day, though.


30 posted on 11/29/2010 11:53:34 AM PST by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: Obadiah

Someone here just suggested that it is telling that it is the STATE DEPARTMENT that is in meltdown. Prolly lots of dirt on Hillary! in there. This could very well remove that man’s challenge from the left. It is right out of his senate campaign play book.


31 posted on 11/29/2010 11:54:31 AM PST by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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To: Typical_Whitey
1) WHO in the Government has access to 250,000 classified documents? How is that allowed? Any access I ever had was limited to "need to know".

2) Since when does the "Freedom of the Press (1st amendment) apply to Wikileaks? They are not part of the press. Put your DoD Cyberwar capabilities to work and shut wikileaks down. DOES THE WH WANT THESE RELEASED? Is this an opening to the Bush war crimes trial?
32 posted on 11/29/2010 11:59:55 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Typical_Whitey
I still something is wrong in the Government security doctrine that allows ONE person access to hundreds of thousands of classified documents for which he could not have had a "Need to Know".

The leaked cables range up to the "SECRET NOFORN" level, which means they are meant never to be shown to non-US citizens
....snip....
It was childishly easy, according to the published chatlog of a conversation Manning had with a fellow-hacker. "I would come in with music on a CD-RW labelled with something like 'Lady Gaga' … erase the music … then write a compressed split file. No one suspected a thing ... [I] listened and lip-synched to Lady Gaga's Telephone while exfiltrating possibly the largest data spillage in American history." He said that he "had unprecedented access to classified networks 14 hours a day 7 days a week for 8+ months".


How 250,000 US embassy cables were leaked
33 posted on 11/29/2010 12:18:40 PM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: FrankR

“How does a government allow secret docuements to be posted on the internet?

It hasn’t been that long ago that someone would have been tried for treason and shot for such an offense.”

Allow is the key word, I think. This took some work and coordination to pull off.


34 posted on 11/29/2010 12:19:56 PM PST by DBrow
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To: nolongerademocrat
How long do you think that the people who released this information will survive?

This isn't the Clinton WH and I think that the F.O.B. (Friend's Of Bill) operators that shuffled over 110 souls off the planet are sitting this one out. They don't want Obozo to succeed and moreover, they know he and his cohorts are too stooooopid to get away with this stuff for very long. When the fall happens, the accompanying FALL OUT is going to be long, wet and smelly. Nobody who knows what they're doing is going to want to be anywhere near this idiot when the lids start getting ripped off. It's kind of like the reason they called the old WWII Flattops (aircraft carriers) "Bomb Magnets."

35 posted on 11/29/2010 12:22:03 PM PST by ExSoldier (Life without God is like an unsharpened pencil: It has no point.)
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To: SMARTY

> Look at all these wonderful diplomatic, and statecraft achievements on the “O” watch!!!

We should go to the Wikipedia and create an article named “List of the Obama administration’s foreign policy achievements”, and leave it completely blank. In fact, if this comes out clickable;

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_the_Obama_administration%27s_foreign_policy_achievements&action=edit&redlink=1

that will do it.


36 posted on 11/29/2010 12:24:27 PM PST by mquinn (Obama's supporters: a deliberate drowning of consciousness by means of rhythmic noise)
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To: nolongerademocrat
How long do you think that the people who released this information will survive?

Long enough to get a book deal

37 posted on 11/29/2010 12:26:58 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Typical_Whitey

Has anyone seen any info that we DIDN’T ALREADY KNOW?


38 posted on 11/29/2010 12:41:52 PM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: Typical_Whitey

“It is nothing short of a political meltdown for US foreign policy.”

This could be a very true statement, however to whatever extent it is true (political meltdown) it will be due to how little foreign governments and foreign diplomats will trust that their dealings with the U.S. government will be secure, trusted, and held in the most strict confidentially - an atmosphere that invites diplomats to be more candid with each other than they can be publicly.

While publicly many will be upset about specific leaks, but more important to all of them is “how did the Obama admin allow this to happen in the first place”.

I imagine, from hear on in, Billary will get little candid cooperation from all those nations the U.S. sheeple have been told our relations have so vastly improved with under BHO-Billary.


39 posted on 11/29/2010 1:16:49 PM PST by Wuli
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To: Wuli

Apart from the political disaster aspect...
I have been reading some of the accounts of what has been leaked and I have to say I’m unhappy about any Iraqui or Afghani operatives that may have been uncovered but.....
As for the diplomatic dance of bullsh*t- I’m glad its over. The Saudis? HaHa, watch your tent bro, it’ll be going up in smoke soon. All the European high nosed jerks? Now you know how even the U.S. leftist elite truly feel about you- Naked Emperors!
The funny thing is, to hear these dimmocrat foreign policy wonks talk in private, you’d think they were Republicans!


40 posted on 11/29/2010 2:29:32 PM PST by Anonymous coward (When telling lies is OK but telling the truth a crime against the state.)
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To: Anonymous coward

“The funny thing is, to hear these dimmocrat foreign policy wonks talk in private, you’d think they were Republicans!”

They are just as much in the business of selling an appeasing side, in public, to foreigners - while they believe something else in private, as they are selling themselves to the domestic masses yearning for a new entitlement, while they insure the legislation for it greases enough of their own business, sectarian and political interests. The Dims are two faced in all they do because it’s all about power while they pretend its about selfless “public service”.

I wonder how many deals with foreigners for Billary will be scuttled by the leaks (Billary - the corrupt dynamic duo that peddles themselves - for some kind of compensation, now or later - as a single geopolitical influence selling enterprise).


41 posted on 11/29/2010 3:51:02 PM PST by Wuli
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To: Typical_Whitey

I read somewhere on the internet earlier today or was it sunday, that Wikileaks consulted with THEWHITEHOUSE and OBAMA encouraged them not to release some records and yetWikkileaks released some records that Odumbo did not want leaked. ODUMBO is the source of all the leaks - it is part of his plan


42 posted on 11/29/2010 4:06:17 PM PST by hondact200 ( Obama is Nuckin Futs!!! Obama has the Lead Touch unlike the Midas Touch of Gold)
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To: hondact200

I agree with that... the loons on the left have been trying to tear this country down for years.


43 posted on 11/29/2010 4:58:00 PM PST by Typical_Whitey ("It doesn't matter how smart you are, unless you stop and think".... Thomas Sowell)
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To: toldyou

It might not be the same guy, but I think you’re on the right track.


44 posted on 11/29/2010 6:55:25 PM PST by optiguy (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.----- Ronald Reagan)
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To: optiguy

I worked for the airlines prior to 9/11 (retired now).

The guys who worked for the onboard kitchens didn’t speak English...the cleaners were also foreign...we had our suitcases and handbooks stolen from a “secured” area for months/years prior to 9/11.

Stolen items included our handbooks which contained layouts of planes, codes for every “secured” door in every city throughout the world, information where the cockpit keys were kept on every plane...

Made me sick to realize how easy it was to pull off the 9/11 attack after years of their planning..

And here the Netherlands employed a radical Muslim to work with defense information.

What is everyone thinking? ARGH!


45 posted on 11/29/2010 7:39:05 PM PST by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: Tzimisce; Typical_Whitey; ConservativeMan55; JulieRNR21; Cindy; Smartass; MeekOneGOP; ...

46 posted on 11/29/2010 9:33:22 PM PST by Seadog Bytes ("Smart Growth"... isn't.)
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To: Seadog Bytes

Thanks for the ping!


47 posted on 11/29/2010 9:58:15 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Typical_Whitey

That new diplomacy (Obama/Hillary Clinton) soft power isn’t working out so they thought they would kick-start the re-set button since they have failed so miserably. By releasing the documents, this administration hopes to show the world how bad America is, and by the token show how noble this administration has been. Go figure, a win-win for those who hate America and they can enhance their political standing at the expense of their political opposition, e.g., the military and conservatives.


48 posted on 11/29/2010 10:46:37 PM PST by Jumper
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To: toldyou

...”I can’t imagine that a US soldier would have that high a security clearance, but I was curious.”...

Young US soldier at center of WikiLeaks probe

http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Young_US_soldier_at_center_of_WikiLeaks_probe_999.html

...”As a low-ranking intelligence analyst, he had access to a vast archive of sensitive documents on the military’s classified computer network, SIPRnet or the Secret Internet Protocol Router Network.”.....


49 posted on 11/30/2010 1:54:45 AM PST by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote! DeMint, 2012)
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To: Cheerio

Sandy “pants and socks” Berger, for one. But somehow I don’t think it was him. And admittedly 250k is a big number to carry in your underwear.


50 posted on 11/30/2010 4:02:00 AM PST by Moose Burger
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