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N.J. approves Camden plan to lay off 180 cops
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | 11/30/2010 | Matt Katz

Posted on 11/30/2010 5:10:53 PM PST by Kid Shelleen

Camden will lay off nearly half of its police officers and a third of its firefighters while eliminating positions in every city office, according to a layoff plan approved Tuesday by the state.

The 383 total layoffs represent about a quarter of the city's work force, and touch all corners of city government, from 15 positions in the municipal court to 20 police dispatchers.

(Excerpt) Read more at philly.com ...


TOPICS: US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: camden; donutwatch; leo; police

1 posted on 11/30/2010 5:10:55 PM PST by Kid Shelleen
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To: Kid Shelleen

There goes the neighborHOOD. Camden has been a toilet for years WITH all those employees. What difference will it make?


2 posted on 11/30/2010 5:18:53 PM PST by LeonardFMason
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To: LeonardFMason

It will make a great difference if your azz is hanging out the window of a 3 story building that is on fire and the closest fire station is closed.

This will cost lives at some point in time.

A police officer calling for back up with half the force gone.

It isn’t a pretty picture, but they will make do, Just hope it isnt’ a relative that pays the price.


3 posted on 11/30/2010 5:36:57 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer

Sounds like their azzes are not needed.

’ Camden’s long economic meltdown began with the loss of its industrial base more than a half-century ago. The city is so lacking in taxable property that its revenue only covers about a quarter of the city budget. ‘


4 posted on 11/30/2010 5:42:39 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: Kid Shelleen

Camden has been a dead city for years. No one’s gotten around to burying it. This isn’t going to make any difference.


5 posted on 11/30/2010 5:49:36 PM PST by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: Venturer

Well you know what, folks have a way of adapting. Fire station closed? Start a volunteer company just like most small towns across the country do. As good as “career fire fighters” and a whole lot less cost.


6 posted on 11/30/2010 5:49:49 PM PST by technically right
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To: Venturer

any cuts from the welfare rolls...? never mind.


7 posted on 11/30/2010 5:50:17 PM PST by itsLUCKY2B (?Borders, Language, and Culture.?)
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To: Kid Shelleen

While the elected morons who caused the problem suffer nothing.


8 posted on 11/30/2010 5:59:35 PM PST by chiefqc
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To: Kid Shelleen

While the elected morons who caused the problem suffer nothing.


9 posted on 11/30/2010 5:59:41 PM PST by chiefqc
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To: technically right
You think a bunch of inner-city thugs are going to start a volunteer fire department?

"Dayum! Ol' boy house is burnin' like a mutha----er! Man I ain't puttin' that b!tch out!"

10 posted on 11/30/2010 6:04:26 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (The Republic of the United States of America)
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To: Venturer

Two things about Camden:
1. You don’t need any cops, because there are no innocents to protect.
2. If there’s one thing Camden desperately needs, it’s a roaring fire.


11 posted on 11/30/2010 6:05:46 PM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Venturer

Amen,two sons that are Philly firefighters here.First day they did brown outs a child died.A child died.


12 posted on 11/30/2010 6:10:28 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: Venturer

Uh....have you been to Camden? Several jobs have required that I work in the city. It has large unihabited areas. It is blighted and deteriorating. If you had a relative there, if I had a relative there, my advice would be to pack up and leave.


13 posted on 11/30/2010 6:21:39 PM PST by LeonardFMason
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To: fatima
a child died.A child died.

Which is why you need to understand that good government needs to be nurtured and maintained. That is not happening in Camden.

14 posted on 11/30/2010 6:28:01 PM PST by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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To: Venturer

Less taxes equal less deaths. People go to work in bad weather, to earn money to pay taxes. Snow, rain, long commutes. Fishermen have to go to sea twice as much, because half of their earnings have to go to direct and indirect taxes. People have to work construction in the winter, rain and snow to earn pay to pay taxes. Truckers drive longer, drive when tired to make miles to get paid to pay taxes. People drive cabs at night to pay taxes. Taxes kill.


15 posted on 11/30/2010 6:32:27 PM PST by Leisler (They always lie, and have for so much and for so long, that they no longer know what about.)
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To: Kid Shelleen
Camden will lay off nearly half of its police officers and a third of its firefighters while eliminating positions in every city office, according to a layoff plan approved Tuesday by the state.

This is good, and what needs to be done across the government board.

Those left, should be ready to take cuts in income and their government pensions....Just like everyone in the private sector has done.

16 posted on 11/30/2010 6:47:15 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit.)
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To: krb

Do you live in Camden?


17 posted on 11/30/2010 6:51:45 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: fatima

Nope. Now I live in the South, which seems to be where all the other people who screw up their hometowns in the north are moving:

http://www.forbes.com/2010/06/04/migration-moving-wealthy-interactive-counties-map.html

Seriously, find Wake County in North Carolina. It’s eerily amazing how fast people are moving from places up North they messed up and are spreading their cancer.


18 posted on 11/30/2010 7:03:16 PM PST by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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To: LeonardFMason
There goes the neighborHOOD. Camden has been a toilet for years WITH all those employees. What difference will it make?

With the layoffs of the cops, maybe crime will go down.

19 posted on 11/30/2010 7:06:06 PM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: krb

Do you like it there?Hope they have firemen:)


20 posted on 11/30/2010 7:15:38 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: fatima

I *love* it here, and am trying to shoo away all the other ferners who are escaping here!

Yes, we have lots of firemen, and also lots of volunteer firemen, as well as men who would step up in an emergency to do what’s right when it counts. What we don’t need is more Northerners escaping down here and bringing with them their failed voting patterns.


21 posted on 11/30/2010 7:20:07 PM PST by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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To: krb
What's a ,ferners?
22 posted on 11/30/2010 7:28:38 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: Venturer

If the populace arms itself, they can do a damned sight better job than the police. This is Camden, after all.

Money well saved.


23 posted on 11/30/2010 7:39:19 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.8)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Camden is a place where cops don’t go ... even when they had a force or full employment ...


24 posted on 11/30/2010 7:40:43 PM PST by ReverendJames (Just A Newbie)
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To: fatima

You ain’t from around here, so y’all be ferners.


25 posted on 11/30/2010 7:43:48 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.8)
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To: MrEdd

I don’t like the way you talk,putting me down like I’m a flatlander and all the that.


26 posted on 11/30/2010 7:58:36 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: fatima
It doesn't matter what you like or don't like. As long as you pull that "it's for the children" stuff, stay the hell away from here.

Go on. Git.

27 posted on 11/30/2010 8:20:37 PM PST by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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To: krb

Don’t know if your kidding but a child died with the brownout.That stinks.”As long as you pull that “it’s for the children” stuff, stay the hell away from here.

Go on. Git.”


28 posted on 11/30/2010 8:35:17 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: fatima

Yep, you need to go on and git.

You are letting a sob story about a person (who happens to be a kid) getting killed affect your wisdom about how effective government in general is.

Government really sucks at these things, no matter how many child victims you dig up, and no matter how bad your punctuation is.


29 posted on 11/30/2010 8:44:50 PM PST by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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To: fatima

“What’s a ,ferners?”

It’s the way people say “foreigners” over in the Rawlee-Der’m area.


30 posted on 11/30/2010 8:50:39 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: krb; Jim Robinson

I get it.You don’t care if the child died .


31 posted on 11/30/2010 8:57:01 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: fatima
Really? That's the only thing you think about when you read my responses to your posts?
32 posted on 11/30/2010 9:02:03 PM PST by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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To: Rebelbase

Thank you.:)


33 posted on 11/30/2010 9:07:19 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: Kid Shelleen

Drudge had an article about Newark laying off police officers as well.

Camden has been dying a slow death since 1950 when RCA pulled up stakes and left the Delaware Valley to avoid the CIA thuggery. I’ve told you about that and how my grandfather was elected the first president of the Machinists and electrical workers at RCA and how the union bosses were unhappy with the election and tried to have my grandfather moved into management. My grandfather turned down the promotion because he liked his job and wanted to be the union president. A few months later, he and my grandmother were run down by a hit and run driver as they stood on the curb in front of their house.

Later that year RCA announced that they were closing the plant. That was the beginning of the end for Camden and it was all the result of the CIO(A). It was the CIOA before it merged with the AFL.


34 posted on 11/30/2010 9:16:35 PM PST by Eva
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To: Eva

In the late 1880 into the early 20th centruy, Newark, Camden, the cities of that part of New Jersey were known world wide as modern, wealthy, fantastic cities that were the new model of cities and wealth creation. Close to financial centers, ports, labor, land and farms. Business sprang up to make and export everything world wide.

But, the taxes, unions, government grew to consume the wealth. Marginal buisnesss, taxed, shook down into non-profit status, left, leaving fewer and fewer, but larger, buisness to have the tax burdens dumped on them , and as you pointed out, be the target of unions. Really, by then the cities were in their Indian Summer( September ) before their financial winter. In short, they were dead men walking.

Since the 60’s the cities have been welfare society cities and those that tend, or feast of the now dead carcass of once living cities. These would be the teachers unions of schools that don’t educated, police/security bureaucracy of cops, jails, lawyers of both sides that don’t have any effect on crime.

Even the police department is a dead. Keeping the older, slower, desk bound, near pensioned cops and cashing the young, cheaper street cops.

Anyways, we should of never had police at all in this country. We used to, and still do in physically most of the country have sheriffs. It is the duty of a free person to protect his own property and life. I can’t see any conservative advocating that a person should have his money taken by force, to subsidize his protection by the police which are in truth the welfare agency for crime/criminals.

From even south of New Jersey, up the coast to Maine, and that same distance west to Chicago are HUNDREDS of Camden like cites. Nothing but taxes, hacks and welfare and a few buisness creeping along like scared rabbits.

I don’t see why this shouldn’t be the soon to be fate of entire states, like Michigan, New York, California, Ohio. All the forces are there, that existed in the cities. Fleeing wealth producers, legions of tax eating employees, welfare, debts.


35 posted on 12/01/2010 6:13:20 AM PST by Leisler (They always lie, and have for so much and for so long, that they no longer know what about.)
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To: fatima
First day they did brown outs a child died.

Working fire alarms and sprinklers are far more effective at saving lives than firemen. Rather than having pensioned unionized firemen making 6 figures saving half a house from fire damage by giving it massive water damage it would be far cheaper for a city to let the occasional house burn completely down and cut the owners a check.

36 posted on 12/01/2010 7:33:12 AM PST by Reeses
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To: fatima
Pinging Jim for something like this should be an automatic 10 day suspension.

Geez.

37 posted on 12/01/2010 9:14:42 AM PST by TankerKC (Part of the Soros funded Blog Police.)
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To: Reeses
Working fire alarms and sprinklers are far more effective at saving lives than firemen.

I call B.S.

99.5% of fire death prevention is due to smoke alarms. Cheap and effective.

Sprinklers are expensive and only 0.5% of prevented fire deaths are due to sprinklers.

Insurance companies and their government lackeys are pushing sprinklers because they prevent property damage, which saves insurance companies money.

38 posted on 12/02/2010 10:33:21 PM PST by CurlyDave
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To: Kid Shelleen

In Josephine County, Oregon we had a budget crisis a couple of years ago and the Sheriff’s Department was going to take about a 20-30% cut.

Now Oregon is a shall-issue state and the the people who weren’t wringing their hands in worry just went down and got their permits renewed before the Sheriff ran out of manpower to issue them.

Somehow we survived just fine.

NJ is about as gun-unfriendly a place as exists in the US, and this could be a bigger deal there.


39 posted on 12/02/2010 10:38:45 PM PST by CurlyDave
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To: TankerKC

Jumping in on a thread should be a 90 day suspension.Add 10 days for pinging me.


40 posted on 12/09/2010 8:06:37 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: krb

Yes,Reread what you post.


41 posted on 12/09/2010 9:40:01 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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