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Soldier's sanity debated in murder case
UPI.com ^ | 12-1-2010 | staff report

Posted on 12/02/2010 11:02:10 AM PST by smoothsailing

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To: GeronL

I want him severely punished with a promotion to Corporal, a medal and at least two weeks of RR not charged as ordinary leave.


21 posted on 12/02/2010 1:23:42 PM PST by Ronin ("Dismantle the TSA and send the screeners back to Wal-Mart.")
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To: jazusamo; Girlene; lilycicero; Defend Our Marine; donna; GeronL; LibertyRocks; Owl_Eagle; WayneS; ..
There's a political angle to this which explains the rush to judgement.

From PFC Lawrence's Facebook Page...

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PFC David W. Lawrence is an American soldier from Indiana. He is the son of Brett and Wendy Lawrence. David is 20 years old.

PFC Lawrence is accused of shooting Mullah Mohebullah on Oct. 17 while guarding him in Kandahar province, Afghanistan. Mullah Mohebullah was a senior Taliban commander. The death was announced by an angry Afghan President Hamid Karzai.

"We are going to an Article 32 for a kid who is hearing voices," James Culp, PFC Lawrence's attorney, said. He also said he was concerned the Army might be rushing the case to court-martial to appease Karzai. PFC Lawrence's 706 investigation (ordered to determine whether he is mentally competent to stand trial) is expected to be finished Dec. 10. PFC Lawrence's attorneys fought to delay this week's hearing until the mental competency evaluation process was completed. The request was denied. The Article 32 hearing took place on November 29 and 30 at Ft. Carson, Colorado.

David is currently being treated with potent drugs for schizophrenia.

Less than a week before the shooting, PFC Lawrence was examined by doctors and given drugs for depression and sleeplessness. Days later, he was put on guard duty at a detention center in the Arghandab district of Kandahar province, despite having no training for it.

David told his father that he was seeing soldiers who had died in Afghanistan, including Capt. Dale Goetz. He told his father "... he could see the chaplain with only half a head remaining," Capt. Dale Goetz was a chaplain in the 4th Infantry Division for the 66th Armor Regiment’s 1st Battalion based out of Ft. Carson, Colorado. Capt. Goetz is the first Army chaplain killed in combat in 40 years. Capt. Goetz was David's friend. It was a known fact that David was closer to the chaplain than anyone else in the platoon.

This young man comes from a wonderful family, and has very loving, caring parents who are undoubtedly afraid of what lies ahead. This is going to be a lengthy battle. Costs for specialists, travels to and from Colorado and all the costs involved with repeated week long stays there, medical evaluations, and doctors are adding up.

This family needs help. Please show your support of PFC David Lawrence by making a contributions to his defense fund: United Community Bank, 19710 Stateline Road, Lawrenceburg, IN 47025. Please make checks payable to "FOB PFC David W. Lawrence" Any contribution, no matter how small is huge to the Lawrence family.

Please keep PFC Lawrence and family in your prayers.

22 posted on 12/02/2010 1:24:16 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: bigheadfred; RedRover

See post #22.


23 posted on 12/02/2010 1:26:25 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

Thanks so much for posting this, Smooth! :)


24 posted on 12/02/2010 1:28:54 PM PST by Defend Our Marine
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To: bigheadfred

That was supposed to be a funny.


25 posted on 12/02/2010 1:35:02 PM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: Ronin

That would be a fitting tribute... I mean punishment!


26 posted on 12/02/2010 1:36:15 PM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: Ronin

That would be a fitting tribute... I mean punishment!


27 posted on 12/02/2010 1:36:50 PM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: Defend Our Marine

This stinks of politics...

“The case drew worldwide attention after Afghan President Hamid Karzai issued a blistering condemnation of the killing a day after Mohebullah died.”

Read more: http://www.gazette.com/articles/soldier-108811-mental-illness.html#ixzz16zY8H1su


28 posted on 12/02/2010 1:39:51 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: GeronL

I know. I’m just in the middle of embracing my inner psychopat.


29 posted on 12/02/2010 1:43:46 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: smoothsailing; bigheadfred
The death was announced by an angry Afghan President Hamid Karzai.

Your post from facebook says a whole lot in just a few words. I wonder if this Mohebullah is in any way connected to Karzai's corrupt payola money trail. I know that's a silly question, of course he was.

The judge running this hearing only had to delay it two weeks, I'm going to join bhf in screaming.

30 posted on 12/02/2010 1:46:30 PM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: smoothsailing; jazusamo
Thanks, smooth. I've known some of the particulars of this case for a while.

SCREAM WITH ME

I guess I forgot to mention Curt and James were already in the closet...

31 posted on 12/02/2010 1:48:11 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: smoothsailing
How do you "murder" a Taliban commander?

At best, you either punish him for murders committed, or prevent him from murdering by venting his thick, empty skull.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

32 posted on 12/02/2010 1:58:44 PM PST by The Comedian (Government: Saving people from freedom since time immemorial.)
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To: The Comedian

It’s the same chickensh** game where the US Government thinks they are the sole possessor of the right to deem what is an act of war. And what is murder. And there is no guideline to follow. Just the whim of the day.


33 posted on 12/02/2010 2:46:53 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: bigheadfred; GeronL

I think he was kidding, although I’m not sure. In any case, he has a lawyer, and it’s the lawyer who decides what to plead.

I think I might go crazy too, if I was stuck in Afghanistan and my superiors ordered me to keep the chamber empty in my weapon and never to shoot back at someone just because they happened to be shooting at me.


34 posted on 12/02/2010 2:50:39 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: Cicero; GeronL
I think he was kidding, although I’m not sure. In any case, he has a lawyer, and it’s the lawyer who decides what to plead.

Since when do you have to lawyer up for making a joke on an open forum?

LOL

35 posted on 12/02/2010 2:57:40 PM PST by bigheadfred (STAND IN THE CORNER AND SCREAM WITH ME...)
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I wonder if this Mohebullah is in any way connected to Karzai's corrupt payola money trail. I know that's a silly question, of course he was. The judge running this hearing only had to delay it two weeks, I'm going to join bhf in screaming.

I'm with you. What is it about this particular muzzie mullah that got Karzai's bloomers all twisted?

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Press Release
October 19, 2010

President Karzai Orders Probe into Killing of Afghan Detainee in Kandahar

President Hamid Karzai has ordered security agencies to investigate the killing of an Afghan detainee who was allegedly shot dead by Coalition forces in Arghandab prison in Kandahar.

Reports from Arghandab indicate that coalition forces entered a prison around 9:30 pm on Sunday evening and shot dead a detainee named Mullah Mohibullah.

President Karzai has instructed all security agencies and the local officials in Kandahar to investigate the incident and its circumstances and report on its findings to the President’s Office.

http://www.president.gov.af/


36 posted on 12/02/2010 4:40:48 PM PST by smoothsailing
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Other Afghans who were there said they were not sure if the detainee was trying to escape at the time that he was killed. Local elders said the detainee was a local Taliban commander named Hajji Mohammed who had given a different name, Mullah Muhibullah, to the Americans.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/20/world/asia/20kabul.html?_r=1


37 posted on 12/02/2010 4:59:02 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

It didn’t take Karzai any time at all to start screaming like a castrated pig. I would have thought he’d meet with American commanders before going bonkers.


38 posted on 12/02/2010 5:18:11 PM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo; smoothsailing; Girlene
Ok, people. Maybe this is something. According to the article:

Lawrence, 20, is charged with premeditated murder for allegedly killing Taliban commander Mullah Mohebullah in his cell Oct. 17, hours after his capture.

Looks like he was a "new" arrival. But according to this:

Four key Taliban figures detained in Quetta swoop

They had this guy in 2007. Somehow they failed to recognize the threat he posed, even though it appears he was a top aide to Omar or, some deal was made with Karzai. There is an opium connection. There is the Pakistan connection.

My guess is, they let this guy go, he is responsible for more deaths of our troops, captured once again and our boys called BS probably figuring he would be released AGAIN and organized a hit.

39 posted on 12/02/2010 5:37:03 PM PST by bigheadfred (STAND IN THE CORNER AND SCREAM WITH ME...)
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To: jazusamo
There's another angle here besides Karzai, as if that wasn't bad enough.

"Open Society Foundations" has popped up in one of the articles I've run across. So now there's a George Soros connection.

40 posted on 12/02/2010 6:20:57 PM PST by smoothsailing
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