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BREAKING: Obama got all Cís and Dís in college and law school
HillBuzz ^ | October 10, 2010 | hillbuzz

Posted on 12/03/2010 5:14:08 AM PST by econjack

Edited on 12/03/2010 11:44:38 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Here’s a piece from Jennifer Rubin calling Obama out on the ignoramus that he is.  Rubin hits hard with:

He displays contempt for Americans who don’t agree with his flawed policies, in effect instructing them to shut up. But his arrogance is both unwise (these people vote!) and undeserved.

--continued--

Obama was a C or D student in college who was passed and promoted aggressively because he was a smiling, biracial, man with a weird name who more likely than not played up on his Muslim upbringing in Indonesia in all of his college admissions essays and other course work. That’s the sort of thing Columbia and Harvard JUST LOVE…so we can’t imagine he ever hid any of that. It’s what made him interesting to the academic elite…this little brown boy raised in the jungles of the Pacific, mentored by Frank Marshall, with that Kenyan last name.

They just ate that stuff up.

There’s a reason Obama won’t release those transcripts…or any of the other dozens of documents he spends millions of dollars concealing. Historians will eventually find them all, and one day in the future when all of us are long dead future Americans will have a better, if not ever fully accurate, picture of who the 44th President of the United States was.



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I'm not sure I buy the C-D grades thing. However, I have long speculated that someone in the MSM would pose the story in the manner presented here. That is, ask why he would spend millions hiding his grades and his past. With his ego, he would have blasted those grades everywhere if they were all A's and B's. Now the logic is that he did get lousy grades, he's not very bright (which is consistent with what we're seeing now), and he was "passed along". If he doesn't defend himself, it gives credence to the position that he did poorly in college and law school. It will be interesting to see if he even attempts to change that perception.
1 posted on 12/03/2010 5:14:10 AM PST by econjack
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To: econjack

You obviously don’t understand how this works.
There is NO CHANCE WHATSOEVER that any white professor at Occidental, Columbia, or HLS between 1979 and 1993 would have given a person of the African-American persuasion who was an “out” socialist a “C” or a “D”. It is inconceivable.

It is barely possible - and I do mean BARELY - that a brave rebel would have given him a “B”. But not likely.

I’m certain Barry was an “A” student - simply because the system would not allow him to be anything else.


2 posted on 12/03/2010 5:16:55 AM PST by Jim Noble (It's the tyranny, stupid!)
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To: econjack

The thing about Ivy league is once you get in, you have to do very little work to pass. It’s soooo expensive they don’t want little Timmy failing. To get an A is probably as difficult as it is in a state school, maybe.


3 posted on 12/03/2010 5:17:07 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: econjack
I completely buy the C and D grades. The only reason he probably didn't get all Cs and Ds is because some of his professors inflated his grades because of who and what he is. If he were truly based on merit, there is no question he would have failed out. That is what he is hiding. And he is being aided and abetted by the media who wants to maintain the illusion that he is smart (keeping in line with the age old narrative that all liberal Dems are brilliant and all conservatives and Republicans are dumb as dirt).
4 posted on 12/03/2010 5:18:41 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard
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To: Jim Noble

exactly


5 posted on 12/03/2010 5:18:58 AM PST by babble-on
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To: econjack

The main problem with Barry BamaRamaDingDong’s records is he applied as a FOREIGN student. That info can never get out.


6 posted on 12/03/2010 5:19:10 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: econjack

He’s probably more concerned with the actual course titles.
90 credit hours in “victimology, socialism, and I hate America”.


7 posted on 12/03/2010 5:20:03 AM PST by G Larry (When you're right, avoid compromise!)
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To: econjack

I bet his SAT or LSAT scores are hidden better than H-bomb secrets.


8 posted on 12/03/2010 5:20:39 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: econjack
I hate to say it, but this is America and I am not going to take a rumor as his grades.

That being said his actions show me that he is so far out of any President on his ability to run this country, one he is not very bright or the later he hates America, he is a racist, mixture of Black Theology with roots he is proud of from his father's faith and his mother's communism.

9 posted on 12/03/2010 5:21:18 AM PST by scooby321
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To: econjack

Most folks in the media don’t care and will refuse to question Obama or his staff about his grades.

We know virtually nothing about Obama’s past as the media has refused to do similar reporting like they did with Clinton, Kerry, Bush, Gore, etc.

Makes you wonder why it was so important to report about Bush’s past alcoholism but the complete lack of curiosity about Obama self-admitted felonious drug use.

“Junkie. That’s where I’d been headed: the final, fatal role of the young would-be black man. Except the highs hadn’t been about me trying to prove what a down brother I was. Not by then, anyway. I got high for just the opposite effect, something that could push questions of who I was out of my mind, something that could flatten out the landscape of my heart, blur the edges of my memory. I had discovered that it didn’t make any difference whether you smoked reefer in the white classmate’s sparkling new van, or in the dorm room of some brother you’d met down at the gym, or on the beach with a couple of Hawaiian kids who had dropped out of school and now spent most of their time looking for an excuse to brawl. You might just be bored, or alone. Everybody was welcome into the club of disaffection. And if the high didn’t solve whatever it was that was getting you down, it could at least help you laugh at the world’s ongoing folly and see through all the hypocrisy and bullshit and cheap moralism.”

Source: Dreams from My Father, by Barack Obama, p. 87 Aug 1, 1996

“Obama confesses to getting high in order to “push questions of who I was out of my mind.” (page 93) He cites using marijuana and cocaine, but he explicitly assures his readers that he did not use crack.(page 93).”


10 posted on 12/03/2010 5:21:30 AM PST by WaterBoard
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To: econjack

So? Dubya was a C average student as well.


11 posted on 12/03/2010 5:23:37 AM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: econjack

Obama admitted himself that he was in a “cocaine induced haze” through college.

What kind of grades do you think people in a “cocaine induced haze” make?


12 posted on 12/03/2010 5:30:07 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: MinorityRepublican

The point is no one stated this fact in the press. They made him sound like a brilliant individual...dah.


13 posted on 12/03/2010 5:30:11 AM PST by DWC (historian)
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To: Jim Noble

Excellent point.


14 posted on 12/03/2010 5:31:42 AM PST by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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15 posted on 12/03/2010 5:32:43 AM PST by mcmuffin ( . )( . ) (We're watching you)
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To: MinorityRepublican
So? Dubya was a C average student as well.

Kennedy was a C student at Haaaavad. I've seen his grades in a traveling display at the Eisenhower Museum.
16 posted on 12/03/2010 5:33:13 AM PST by crosshairs (The word for actor in Greek is hypocrite (its true).)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

He is obviously not dumb in the traditional sense. He is intelligent in the ways of a criminal or pathological liar.

His goal is to destroy the USA and it is working. One penstroke at a time. He honestly thinks that is what a president is supposed to do. Be a dictator because that is what he saw growing up. That is what makes him the most dangerous man in the country. That is why the natural born citizen requirement is in the constitution. He found a loophole and exploited it.


17 posted on 12/03/2010 5:33:36 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: central_va

You are so confused.
Both my kids went to Ivy League schools.
The vast majority of the students are workaholics, and more than half are on some form of financial assistance.
At Princeton there is NO grade inflation and the kids are graded on a curve.
My daughter worked a part time job the whole time she was there and graduated with a 3.0, working like a dog.
My son was a neuroscience major and also worked very hard for a 3.3.
The reason a lot of the kids at the Ivies get good grades is because they are very smart, super competitive, and they work hard.
Please talk about things you know, otherwise you risk sounding like you don’t know what you are talking about.


18 posted on 12/03/2010 5:34:28 AM PST by Anonymous coward (When telling lies is OK but telling the truth a crime against the state.)
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To: Jim Noble

Plus didn’t he recieve scholorships? Grades are necessary to maintain them


19 posted on 12/03/2010 5:37:13 AM PST by fml
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To: Anonymous coward
My son was a neuroscience major and also worked very hard for a 3.3.

Most don't take science as a major. History majors at Ivies are not busting their asses.

MIT, which technically is not Ivy league, is PASS/FAIL the first year. What a joke.

20 posted on 12/03/2010 5:39:27 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: econjack

This is nothing more than unsubstantiated allegations and rumors. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OBAMA EVER WENT TO ANY OF THESE SCHOOLS. If you have Any Proof whatsoever, let’s see it, this is only hyperbole on behalf of Obama.

SHOW ME THE:
Admission Records
Transcripts
Student Loan Applications
Attendance Records
Grades
Papers
OBAMA ALLEGEDLY went to Occidental and Harvard but there is ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF WHATSOEVER THAT HE ACTUALLY ATTENDED EITHER OF THESE SCHOOLS. If there is Show it to us.


21 posted on 12/03/2010 5:39:44 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: MinorityRepublican

You are suggesting equivalencey?

A C average for a Harvard MBA back in the days when that was one of the nation’s premier business degrees, is nothing to be ashamed of. Dad’s legacy status might have helped W get admitted to Harvard but it wouldn’t have helped him stay there, even Teddy K had to hire someone to try and make the grades to stay in

At least W showed some business acumen before liberal New England political genes and noblesse oblige toward Pelosi did him in

When did Barry or Moochele ever use their Harvard law degrees? Both of them gave up their licenses to avoid disciplinary action for uninvestigated actions in Illinois, BTW


22 posted on 12/03/2010 5:39:54 AM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: Anonymous coward

I think this post is closer to the truth than the post which suggests once you’re in, you can slide through. While I never taught at an Ivy League school, I have taught in the Big Ten and my experience is that very few (if any) profs let students slide through simply because they got in.


23 posted on 12/03/2010 5:40:52 AM PST by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: Anonymous coward
At Princeton there is NO grade inflation and the kids are graded on a curve

Well, I don't have current knowledge of Old Nassau, so you may (possibly) be correct.

But when "Obama" was going to HLS, Michelle Robinson was in fact a student at Princeton. Have you read the document which purports to be her senior thesis?

If you have done so, and if you believe Princeton graded blacks on a curve when she was there, you are out of your flippin' mind.

During my sojurn in various Halls, mostly vegetation covered, the lowest effective grade for an African-American student was B- ("F" equivalent). The norm was "A". Everyone who passed through that system knows this.

Perhaps it has changed, I don't know. Based on the performance we see in the White House, I doubt it.

24 posted on 12/03/2010 5:41:16 AM PST by Jim Noble (It's the tyranny, stupid!)
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To: fml
Ted Kennedy was kicked out of Harvard for cheating. The old Lion of the Senate who the Media loved and was brilliant.
25 posted on 12/03/2010 5:42:06 AM PST by scooby321
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To: Jim Noble

I was at HLS during that time period. It is theoretically possible to get onto law review with poor 1L grades, but the write on is anonymous. Likewise, almost all the grading was anonymous, except in paper classes which didn’t happen until 2d and 3d year.

Once you get into 2d and 3d year, the grading curve is even easier.

The big question would be whether he graduated cum laude or magna cum laude. That should be publicly available on a list of law school graduates or in the HLS alumni directory. If he did not then he would have been a mostly B student. I didn’t know anyone who received a C or below ever in any class. It may have happened, and Prof. Areda was known for giving 3 F’s in antitrust every year, but it was pretty hard to get poor grades. My admin. law final was definitely sufficient to prove that.


26 posted on 12/03/2010 5:43:37 AM PST by FateAmenableToChange
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To: fml
Plus didn’t he receive scholarships? Grades are necessary to maintain them

Not necessarily. I had a scholarship that was in effect as long as I was a full time student. There were no other conditions.

27 posted on 12/03/2010 5:43:39 AM PST by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: Anonymous coward

I agree with Jennifer Rubin, Barry was and is the poster boy for Affirmative Action. As Rush puts it, Barry is always the least qualified person in the room.


28 posted on 12/03/2010 5:46:01 AM PST by hflynn
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To: eyeamok
I thought he had some position at Harvard Law Review and you can see his name in the credits. I haven't checked that out, however.
29 posted on 12/03/2010 5:46:16 AM PST by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: Jim Noble

There are ... different curves ...

diversity must be preserved. It has been this way since at least the 70’s. An Ivy admission officer flat out told me I was not the right color or socioeconomic class for admission. That was the day the US Air Force gained a new officer candidate.


30 posted on 12/03/2010 5:46:20 AM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: WaterBoard
“Junkie. That’s where I’d been headed: the final, fatal role of the young would-be black man. Except the highs hadn’t been about me trying to prove what a down brother I was. Not by then, anyway. I got high for just the opposite effect, something that could push questions of who I was out of my mind, something that could flatten out the landscape of my heart, blur the edges of my memory. I had discovered that it didn’t make any difference whether you smoked reefer in the white classmate’s sparkling new van, or in the dorm room of some brother you’d met down at the gym, or on the beach with a couple of Hawaiian kids who had dropped out of school and now spent most of their time looking for an excuse to brawl. You might just be bored, or alone. Everybody was welcome into the club of disaffection. And if the high didn’t solve whatever it was that was getting you down, it could at least help you laugh at the world’s ongoing folly and see through all the hypocrisy and bullshit and cheap moralism.”

It's hard not to laugh out loud knowing that was written by Bill "I was born a poor black chile" Ayers.

31 posted on 12/03/2010 5:47:45 AM PST by Paine in the Neck (Napolean fries the idea powder.)
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To: Anonymous coward
Oh really?

"In 1966, 22% of Harvard undergraduate students earned A's. By 1996, that figure rose to 46%. That same year, 82% of Harvard seniors graduated with honors.

In 1973, 31% of all grades at Princeton were A's. By 1997 that rose to 43%. In 1997, only 12% of all grades given at Princeton were below the B range.

Source: American Academy of Arts & Sciences.Evaluation and the Academy: Are We Doing the Right Thing?

32 posted on 12/03/2010 5:51:42 AM PST by Leisler (They always lie, and have for so much and for so long, that they no longer know what about.)
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To: econjack

Come on now.Don’t you know that Barack Obama is America’s first affirmative action president?

Let’s hope he’s the last.


33 posted on 12/03/2010 5:51:52 AM PST by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: econjack

Just because HE claims to be a Law School Lecturer at Harvard and a couple people agreed, does not make it so. I WANT TO SEE REAL ADMISSION RECORDS, and TRANSCRIPTS, until then it is just an UNSUBSTANTIATED ALLEGATION, and under HERESAY RULES would not even be allowed to be brought up in ANY COURTROOM IN AMERICA without Proper Documentation.


34 posted on 12/03/2010 5:52:16 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: Paine in the Neck
It's hard not to laugh out loud knowing that was written by Bill "I was born a poor black chile" Ayers.

Exactly. Also, who writes their autobiography before they turn 40 having done absolutely nothing that is noteworthy. Answer: A self-absorbed ego maniac.

35 posted on 12/03/2010 5:52:22 AM PST by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
What kind of grades do you think people in a “cocaine induced haze” make?

It depends on their connections, and their skin color. I would say 0bama got lots of A's and B's.

36 posted on 12/03/2010 5:53:51 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Looter guy, looter government.)
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To: scooby321

Ted getting kicked out, made him immediately available for the draft, right into the Army. The Korean War was on, and of all things, Ted was stationed as a clerk typist in the US Embassy in Paris for his tour. Supposedly no one saw him much.


37 posted on 12/03/2010 5:55:14 AM PST by Leisler (They always lie, and have for so much and for so long, that they no longer know what about.)
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To: scooby321

Yep. On a Spanish test no less which easier to learn than English. But Daddy Joe pulled some strings and he got back in.


38 posted on 12/03/2010 5:55:14 AM PST by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: scooby321

I forgot about that, the only standards the left seems to have are double-standards


39 posted on 12/03/2010 5:55:44 AM PST by fml
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To: Anonymous coward

I back you up...one of my kids went to an Ivy and she worked her butt off. She did quite well, but it did not come easy.


40 posted on 12/03/2010 5:55:54 AM PST by Pharmboy (What always made the state a hell has been that man tried to make it heaven-Hoelderlin)
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To: hflynn
At the first debate between pubbie Presidential candidates, each person should present for public examination:

1) Birth Certificate

2) All school transcripts

3} All past records

4) Demand that the demonRAT candidate be forced to do the same thing

41 posted on 12/03/2010 5:56:44 AM PST by USS Alaska
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To: central_va

I find what you say about the Ivy League very interesting. My only connection to those schools comes from the film and tv series “The Paper Chase.” What I remember SO vividly in the movie was how incredibly hard those kids worked. It was very impressive. Now either times have changed or the movie was exaggerating. Probably the former.


42 posted on 12/03/2010 6:00:29 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: FateAmenableToChange; econjack

It doesn’t matter what his grades were at HLS. Because the President of the HLR is a student elected position (i.e., popularity contest) Professors appointed the editors.


43 posted on 12/03/2010 6:00:33 AM PST by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: eyeamok

Where is WikiLeaks when we need it?


44 posted on 12/03/2010 6:01:15 AM PST by Tom D. (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. - Benj. Franklin)
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To: econjack

Real question is what did he score on his LSAT’s?


45 posted on 12/03/2010 6:02:17 AM PST by blackdog
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To: econjack

It has been reported that, for whatever reasons, Obama graduated magna cum laude from HLS, which means he didn’t receive C’s and D’s there.

I’m sure his undergraduate record is much more spotty.


46 posted on 12/03/2010 6:02:44 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: econjack
I'm not sure I buy the C-D grades thing

Circumstantial evidence:
Barry went to the Punahou School, which has a phenomenal reputation. Had he any sort of decent SATs, or grades, or achievement, and given his "exotic" background, he would have been an Affirmative Action free-ride shoo-in for any Ivy League College.

He wasn't. He was packed off to very so-so (and very left wing) Occidental College with no scholarship. His financial aid picture here is murky, but many think he registered as a "foreign student!" At Occidental he fell under the sway of a very left-wing, very gay advisor who passed him along to Bill Ayers, who had strong connections at Columbia, and took over as Barry's mentor. (Yes, they go back that far!)

As far as Columbia goes, he was an off-the-street sign up in The Columbia School of General Studies. General Studies is a money-making catch-all for any big university. They operate on the AAWAC principle (Admit Anyone With A Checkbook). It's a good thing. A serious student with a poor High School background can enroll in a General Studies Program at a Major U and can actually get a good education and a very good degree.

At Columbia, if one completes enough courses at General Studies, one actually gets a Columbia COLLEGE Diploma. Of course, no one knows how, exactly, Barack managed that, or exactly what courses he took, or what his grades were, or Graduate Record exam Scores were. We don't know if he took the LSAT prior to admittance at Harvard Law, or if he did, what his score was. I wager he never sat for the LSAT.

So, what we DO know about Barry academically, and it is damn little, tends to indicate that he was a very lackluster student. He does have a good command of left-wing phraseology as written for him by others, and appears on his teleprompter.

He did finish Harvard Law (where he was President of the Law Review, a ceremonial and administrative post, at which he was notorious for doing NO work and appearing at cocktail parties) and was admitted to the Illinois Bar.

We know he made false statements on his bar application, namely denying the use of any other name or alias, failing to mention a record of traffic violations, (which are not a problem if they are settled, which his were not) and drug use. We also know that he is no longer admitted to the Illinois Bar under these cloudy circumstances. (Neither is Michelle, who was set up with with the no-known girlfriends-Barry by Bernadette Dohrn.)

47 posted on 12/03/2010 6:07:03 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (America can survive a fool. It cannot survive the fools who vote for him.)
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To: Jim Noble
Michelle Robinson was in fact a student at Princeton. Have you read the document which purports to be her senior thesis? If you have done so, and if you believe Princeton graded blacks on a curve when she was there, you are out of your flippin' mind.

In my experience, both you and the poster with the hard-working Ivy kids are correct. Even when I was in college in the 1970s (our freshmen had the same mean SATs as Ivies), there were two unofficial tracks: regular and affirmative-action. The regular students took tough courses, especially the pre-meds and future-lawyer types, and basically worked all the time.

Affirmative-action cases, some of whom were ghetto refugees with criminal records, took the Black Studies and Lefty political courses, and spent a lot of time in the cars owned by the Student Activities office. I should mention that many other black students were on the regular track, having come from middle-class families and been to elite high schools; they worked their tails off with everyone else. But the other track was there. I should add that, for the non-affirmative-action students, if you were determined to be a real party-boy, you could take easy courses and survive. But you would wind up with Cs and still have to work your butt off sometimes.

The question in college was, and probably still is, how much self-respect you need in order to go to sleep at night. In Michelle and Barry's case, I'd guess not much. Yes, I read what I could take of Moochelle's Princeton thesis, and it scared me.

48 posted on 12/03/2010 6:10:30 AM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: miss marmelstein
I find what you say about the Ivy League very interesting.

Ivy league schools are completely political. Left wing political. A 'C' is so easy to get in the non-science classes, that it is a defacto pass. To get an 'A' takes work and effort, some try, some don't, most pass. If you are a minority and try just little, you get an 'A'.

The sciences are difficult, and probably require effort to get a 'C'. Most people in the sciences are hard workers so 'C' grades are rare.

49 posted on 12/03/2010 6:14:33 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Pharmboy
I back you up...one of my kids went to an Ivy and she worked her butt off. She did quite well, but it did not come easy.

What did she major in?

50 posted on 12/03/2010 6:18:13 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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