Posted on 12/05/2010 7:24:54 PM PST by Tea Party Reveler
Considering all of the hell she gave everyone on the ships she tyrannized on I’m surprised she just didn’t go missing one morning while out at sea. I guess today’s men are too weak to do anything about problems like this.
General Patton also greatly admired General Rommel. But Patton would have blown Rommel's brains out if he had the chance, and Rommel would have understood completely - and exchanged the opportunity himself, if he could.
Sides matter.
Nah, let them fight. When it’s over, the Marines buy the Navy ships for $1 and run it with half a crew(See USS Boxer LPH-4 and USS Princeton LPH-5).
One slight slap on the wrist is she is going to get a General discharge although I would have prefered a Dishonorable or Bad Conduct.
In Capt Graf's case, there may have been a modicum of preferencial treatment or plum assignments afforded her due to her gender, but I can tell you she earned her command billets. In the "black shoe" world, it's a dog eat dog competitive environment and one does not stand out for being "nice".
We Naval aviators are much more refined.
a6intruder...USNA Class of 1968
Thank god nobody has posted her pic in this thread, yet, lets keep it that way. Please?
Bligh’s original instructions included charting Torres Strait during passage. And despite not having a ship, he did.
USNA Class of 1990. Beat Army.
FYI, officers cannot be reduced in rank to the enlisted grades.
Officers like Graf SHOULD BE REDUCED TO E1. I am an honorably discharged Army Vet. Made E5, and had an unblemished record-No loss of rank and no article 15s. During my time in the service, I saw alot of fine, capable officers, and not so fine and capable officers. When I was serving on the West Coast in the late eighties, the S3 of my battalion was a rather odious, profane character(An o4/Major) who had previously served as a Battery Commander as an o3/Captain. in the same battalion. What I am about to relate transpired before I was assigned to the Bn., and from what I was told this same Officer, while serving as a Battery commander actually kicked one of his soldiers who had fallen asleep while on night duty. And this Officer, from what I heard kicked that soldier more than once. Well, the officer was relieved, and what happened was conveniently swept under the carpet, and the relieved Captain was promoted to field grade rank! He should have been courtmartialed and busted down to his od green drawers. Anyway, sorry for digressing. Graf got off luckly, just like the odious s3 of my battalion.
I beg to differ Annapolis alumnus. Graf received much more than a modicum of preferential treatment. She retained her four stripes and her pension. Considering her horrible treatment of subordinates and inept handling of ships under her command, Graf should have been demoted at least two grades to Lieutenant Commander, or even busted all the way back to Ensign. I dont deny the fact that she earned her command billetts, but her subsequent record clearly indicates that she was A TOTAL FAILURE AS A SKIPPER. You also mentioned the fact that in the “black shoe” world (Surface Navy) it’s a dogeat dog competitive environment where one does not stand out for being nice. True, but Graf’s treatment of her Officers and Enlisted people was absolutely and totally shoddy, degrading, disrespectful and downright horrible! Graf went over the line when she frequently swore at her subordinates and spat and threw coffee mugs at them. Facts that you either ignored or disregarded. I guess Sailors stick together,regardless of the circumstances, eh? Oh, for the record, I served in the Army as an enlisted man. And I was HONORABLY DISCHARGED AS A SERGEANT, so I do know something about how the military operates, even though I was never a Sailor.
If you a such a seasoned veteran, then you should know that a court martial would have been required to reduce her in rank.
Oh, for the record, I served in the Navy as an officer. And I was HONORABLY RETIRED AS A CAPTAIN, so I DO know something about how the military operates, even if I was never a Soldier.
BTW, no need to shout at me with Caps Lock on.
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The Capslock is from Military Corruption.com I didn't post a new thread but instead added the new information to the old FR Thread that brought up Holly Graf.
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Yes, Graf should have been court martialed. I neglected to mention that. Thought I made myself clear. Obviously I did not. Nobody’s perfect., Captain. Graf’s treatment of her subordinates was disgraceful, pure and simple. She was also an incompetent skipper.
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