Posted on 12/09/2010 7:56:44 AM PST by spirited irish
Hitler used whatever he could to deceive and seduce a people because of what had taken place at the Treaty of Versailles. There is nothing 'new' under the 'sun', what hath been will be again. I even read some of pious religious affiliations attempt to made natural selection godly. Stalin was a bloody murderer and he did not much care who he slaughtered, even those that did the heavy lifting in paving the road for him to take absolute power.
The entire argument here is to conflate evolution through natural selection and atheism, make an argument that is guilt by association and the fallacy of an appeal to consequences; and to attempt to support that insipid argument with outright LIES and historic inaccuracies.
Guilt by association? Ha... I suppose only a common person would take issue to drape anything Christ like anywhere near Hitler. I suppose anything is acceptable to prop up an old notion now called 'natural selection'...
That is what the creationist is reduced to. Pitiful. Most Christian faiths have no problem at all with acceptance of science, including evolution, paleontology, plate tech-tonics, radioisotope decay, astronomy, and all the other fields that creationists cannot let stand untroubled, because they ALL conflict with what they would prefer to believe about the natural world.
Oh, without doubt the masses are more than willing to accept the 'social justice' theory of natural selection.... BUT a good number of them will project Mary as not coming from that self same primordial pot of steaming pond scum. Time is coming wherein The Creator will make known all the mysteries hidden to the so called science of the age of this earth and just why it was He place the 'soul/spirit' into that flesh vessel. Christ's tongue is said to cut both ways, to the right and to the left. Some of these high minded evolutionists are going to be dumped out of their highly state subsidized estates.
I don’t believe your “quotes”.
AMD: Appeal to consequences is a logical fallacy.
Spirited: If that is the case, then you make a liar and hypocrite of yourself everytime you point out that creationists are liars, lying being a consequence of creationist beliefs.
Ideas have consequences, for as a man believes, so he does.
AMD: Stalin rejected Darwinian evolution as being too capitalistic and embraced Lysenkoism-Lamarkianism instead.
Spirited: The underlying implication of your intellectually-truncated claim is that Lysenkoism is the cause of much evil. That is true because ideas do have consequences, hence “Appeal to consequences is a logical fallacy” is emminently irrational.
AMD: Hitler was a creationist who believed in fixed kinds and that man was directly created by God
Spirited: Wrong. Hitler was a “blood and soil” occult pagan who made a dark pact with his satanic overlord. He was a cold-blooded psychopath who epitomized the term, “moral relativist,” and a self-confessed Big Liar. His word is as truthless as Stalins and you would do well to not resort to it as proof of “truth.”
AMD: but obviously the characterization of him as being an ardent atheist/Darwinist is incorrect, that was not what he was selling his particular brand of crazy under. He said he thought he was doing the work of the Almighty Creator.
Neither was Stalin an embracer of Darwin’s theory. Teaching natural selection made you an enemy of the revolution in Stalin’s Soviet Russia
Spirited: There is a distinct lack of critical analysis in your claims, AMD.
Your reasoning is very shallow, confused and directed by willful ignorance and vanity.
Atheism is a term relative to who or what is disbelieved. Early Christians were labeled atheists because they disbelieved in pagan deities.
Evolutionary Materialists and New Age spiritists (pantheists) are both types of naturalism, which means that some aspect of creation is held to be the Supreme Reality and creator of all that is. For materialists, undivinized irrational matter and energy are the Supreme Reality; for New Agers it is divine Christ Consciousness, the Force, etc.
Hitler was an occult pagan. Even the liberal mouthpiece, NatGeo confirms this. When individuals such as Hegel and Hitler spoke of a God, like today’s New Agers, they were not speaking of the transcendant God the Father Almighty but instead of some blood and soil or pantheist conception....an immanent “one with nature” God-force conception.
The same holds true for Marx’s “historical necessity” conception-—a cleverly disguised immanent god-force notion.
Evolution, natural selection (predestination), time, chance, and determinism (fate) are also cleverly disguised immanent god-force conceptions.
The same holds true for America’s Progressives and Liberal Christians. All speak of god christ but their god and christ are immanent divinized force-conceptions.
It is your pride and ignorance that has you conflating true Christianity with naturalist conceptions. And how very strange, because by your “beliefs” you are a “blood and soil” neo-pagan.
It turns out that the Enlightenment’s “isms” have not taken their zealous followers to a new and better place but back to the past.
When Paul debated Epicurean and Stoic philosophers in the Greek aeropagus, he was in effect debating today’s evolutionary materialists and evolutionary New Agers. And like you, they scoffed, jeered, and scorned him. Doubtless they called him a liar and an atheist as well.
A very wise man once noted that there is nothing new in this world; what once was will be again. And so it is that Progressivism is really regressivism and its wings have taken you back to what once was.
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O listees! Even if you are too busy to read any other pinged out articles, please read Linda Kimball's newest one. There's already an interesting discussion going on. All I can say is - I agree with her 100%, and as usual, her article is sourced with quotes and references, and written with articulate passion.
Thanks for the ping. It looks like the new age religion of scientism is about to be born.
Linda Kimball’s articles are great. Haven’t had any to ping lately.
outstanding article!
The original lie.
This has been coming for centuries and centuries. You know, there are stories from the Desert Fathers which tell of holy monastics looking to the West and seeing hordes of demons descending on the Christian East. It is telling that the author of this piece cites to two outstanding Eastern Christians to make her point.
"If we surrender to corruption, we do not deserve to be called human. But let us note that the absolutely essential task is not political liberation, but the liberation of our souls from participation in the lie forced upon us...this requires no physical, or revolutionary...measures. No. It requires from each individual a moral step within his or her power....No one who voluntarily runs with hounds of falsehood will ever be able to justify himself to the living..."
This is quintessentially Orthodox. Western Christians must understand this. Here on FR, the orthodoxy of a person's Christianity is regularly measured by one's political expressions. This is a prescription for the collapse of Christianity in the West.
Here is an anthem for all Christians!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvLzNX8MuCY
And here is the non-PC English translation:
O Lord, save thy people,
and bless thine inheritance!
Grant victory to thy people,
over the barbarians,
and by virtue of thy cross,
preserve thy habitation.
By equating Darwinism with science you give the lie to your own objectivity. The Gnostic myth of a Godless universe is the foundation of Darwinism. The very notion of evolutionary biology is incompatible with a universe created by conscious will.
You may, of course, deride creationism. By so doing you simply relegate yourself to the world of moral relativism. In that world there is no truth. Lacking truth you have nothing to offer and your science is worthless.
If, on the other hand, your science is based on a quest for the hand of God in all things you are in league with others who search for truth.
I believe my roots, and actually the roots of protestantism, to be orthodox. I get more orthodox as time passes. (With a few hold-backs, of course. :>)
Is the Pope a moral relativist?
Evolutionary biology IS science. Nothing in the theory of evolution through natural selection of genetic variation has any necessity for the universe to be Godless. That is your own hang up. Do you think the radioactive decay we observe as random is also incompatible with a universe created by conscious will?
Excellent article. Thanks for the ping!
Fellow GOP members, look at this and beware. The same sickness that has destroyed the liberals is growing in the “conservative” camp.
Remember that you are not God, and that He will be the judge.
Thanks for the ping, dear brother in Christ!
Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!
All Christians' religious roots, far enough back, are in The Church in the East.
"I get more orthodox as time passes. (With a few hold-backs, of course. :>)"
Of course you do, Padre, on both counts!:) But these matters are up to God. We pray for humility, a truly divine virtue, and to the extent our prayers are answered and we respond to God, so the eye of the soul becomes clearer and our being rises to God.
"What salt is for any food, humility is for every virtue. To acquire it, a man must always think of himself with contrition, self-belittlement and painful self-judgment. But if we acquire it, it will make us sons of God." +Isaac the Syrian." This is what Orthodoxy has always taught is "the point" of our creation. Believing as The Church teaches is a way to fulfill our created purpose. There may be others. Who knows whither the Spirit goes? Certainly we Orthodox don't.
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