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Imprisoned Iranian Ayatollah Offers Hanukkah Greetings to Jews
Weekly Standard ^ | Dec. 11, 2010 | Stephen Schwartz

Posted on 12/11/2010 7:00:37 PM PST by nuconvert

The name of Iranian ayatollah Seyyed Hossein Kazemeyni Boroujerdi is little known outside his own country, which is unfortunate. Ayatollah Boroujerdi has been held in Tehran’s notorious Evin prison since 2006.

Boroujerdi, aged 50, is an heir to a distinguished Shia clerical family. He was born in Tehran and educated in the Shia religious center of Qom. Like his father, Grand Ayatollah Seyyed Mohammad Ali Kazemeyni Boroujerdi (1924-2002), Boroujerdi preaches the pre-Khomeini interpretation of Iranian Shiism, which calls for religion to be kept apart from politics. His health has been badly affected by the conditions of his imprisonment, yet he has continued, from his cell, to denounce the regime of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Unlike the competing clerics who challenged the ruling duo in last year’s challenged balloting, Boroujerdi has become a consistent champion of secularism. He has declared, “the regime is adamant that either people adhere to political Islam or be jailed, exiled or killed. Its behavior is no different from that of Osama bin Laden or Mullah Omar.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ayatollahboroujerdi; boroujerdi; hannukah; hanukkah; iran; israel; jews; religion; stephenschwartz; waronterror

1 posted on 12/11/2010 7:00:45 PM PST by nuconvert
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2 posted on 12/11/2010 7:04:55 PM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert

Yes, the concept of Supreme Leader, Assembly of Experts, Council of Guardians, etc. are all a perversion of Shi’ism cooked up by Khomeini. Rule by the religious establishment has had its predictable effect over the past thirty years. mosque attendance is at its lowest in that country’s history. When the regime goes down, mullahs will be decorating lampposts across the country.

It’s just unfortunate the guy looks exactly like Paul Krugman.


3 posted on 12/11/2010 7:21:34 PM PST by sinanju
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To: sinanju

“When the regime goes down, mullahs will be decorating lampposts across the country.”

I hope you’re right. I also hope that many members of the Basij are hanging right alongside the mullahs.


4 posted on 12/11/2010 9:46:32 PM PST by MplsSteve (Governor Mark Dayton? That's so incredibly alarming, don't you think?)
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To: nuconvert
Hi Jews...wazzup?


5 posted on 12/11/2010 10:28:30 PM PST by AndrewB (FUBO)
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To: nuconvert

A light shinning in the darkness.


6 posted on 12/11/2010 11:47:46 PM PST by Armaggedon
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To: Armaggedon
A light shinning in the darkness.

I get the impression that is at least somewhat common for dissidents and protesters in Iran to express pro-Jewish opinions, shout pro-Israeli slogans, and the like.

I don't think it can be just because they know it pisses off their illegitimate leaders. There has to be something deeper than that, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to grasp just what it might be.

7 posted on 12/12/2010 12:53:51 AM PST by Stultis (Democrats. Still devoted to the three S's: Slavery, Segregation and Socialism.)
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To: Stultis

There was a thriving Jewish population in Persia since before Christ. Same in Egypt and the Arabian peninsula. Sadly most of these wonderful communities have been driven out by radical Islam. Same with the Christians of various description such as Coptic, Armenian, etc. I’m not terrible literate on the subject but have picked it up here and there. Now I want to go pick grapes for the Israelis but am too old. :-(


8 posted on 12/12/2010 5:17:40 AM PST by Mercat
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To: AndrewB

Nice photo. You can be sure he doesn’t look that well anymore since his imprisonment.


9 posted on 12/12/2010 6:12:09 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Armaggedon

Indeed.


10 posted on 12/12/2010 6:32:56 AM PST by GVnana (I'm a Mama Grizzly)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
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If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.

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the operative word being imprisoned.

11 posted on 12/12/2010 6:40:22 AM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

Thanks nuconvert. And wow:
Unlike the competing clerics who challenged the ruling duo in last year's challenged balloting, Boroujerdi has become a consistent champion of secularism. He has declared, "the regime is adamant that either people adhere to political Islam or be jailed, exiled or killed. Its behavior is no different from that of Osama bin Laden or Mullah Omar."

12 posted on 12/12/2010 8:03:16 AM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: SunkenCiv; All

>>>>”He was born in Tehran and educated in the Shia religious center of Qom.”<<<<

Whilst Boroujerdi is a so-called “secularist”, any Shia Cleric who has or has had any formal education in a Shia seminary, particularly “in the Shia religious center of Qom”, in Iran, must know that Shia Islam, like Sunni Islam, is about what is called Political Islam.

Islam and Politics are inseparable. Take a very close look at its history & doctrine.

In fact, Shia Islam was brought about, specifically, for political reasons in its inception in the 7th century Arabia & later on, formally, circa early 17th century in Iran.

In fact, SUNNI Muslims can be & are often more SECULAR.

Boroujerdi, must know it without a doubt.

Whether Boroujerdi wants to or has wanted to deviate from the mentioned Islamic political ideoloy is a separate matter. His followers are not sufficient in numbers to make or have made a difference any way.

Actually, I would blame Shia clerics such as Boroujerdi for the mess in Iran. They influenced key political figures in Iran such as the Shah at the time, who in his faith in Islam, as well as other matters, became indecisive to take action against not the radicals, but those who truly believed in the CORE of Islamic doctrine, ideology, history & teachings, including its prophet Mohammad’s actions.

Let’s call a spade a spade, and not window-dress it to make it more acceptable.


13 posted on 12/12/2010 9:30:26 AM PST by odds
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To: nuconvert
What Imammy say aloud, "Happy CHannukah, Here's some cute little toys for your lovely children, we no want to kill you. Here's Taqiyya I mean truth of religion of peace.We will burn your land, I mean I mean you have the right to such beautiful land."

Meanwhile nice Imammy thinking: When we kill all steenkin Joos and infidels from all countries especially America, ha, it has almost fallen; we will make beeg wasteland like once was because no arab knows how to farm, we get dhimmi's from America soon, stupid idiots actually believe our lies, muahahahaha"

What Immamy says,"Yes, my friends, my cousins, we shall have peace in our time, How do you say in you language, oh yes, 'shalom.'"

What Imammy is thinking:"Children of peeg cannibal Jew Infidels!" Ugly cannibalistic arab eating scum brats! They will all be our slaves when Abu Hussein Obama,muslim brotherhood, liberal Joos and liberal scum A*cough*mericunz that fool Chavez and so many more eating our propaganda by the day...first Oklahoma, first New York mosque then ALL submit to our lies.

Immamy continues with deadly thoughts:Muahahha May allah drink the blood of these ugly infidels and drink the poisonous lies we feed them until they are drunk with our demonic ways then the plan comes to fruition and our midget one eyed shriveled armed Caliphate finally appears. *farts rather loudly*

"Dad burned Maccabees, may all Joo children suck the dry teat of poisoned goat milk until allah kills them all."

What Immay says aloud:" *ahem* LOVELY Dreidals for ALL Jewish children in all land. Such fun game!"

What Immamy is truly thinking:* I hope the timers are working or Achamuud will be dead suicide bomber*


14 posted on 12/12/2010 9:30:59 AM PST by Karliner (Now this is not the end. .... But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning, Churchill 1942)
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To: odds; FARS

Thanks odds.


15 posted on 12/12/2010 9:39:31 AM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: SunkenCiv; FARS

You’re welcome.


16 posted on 12/12/2010 10:22:50 AM PST by odds
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To: odds; All; Spunky; ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1035rep; 2ndDivisionVet; 4woodenboats; 5Madman2; ...

AntiMullah broke this story worldwide and translated relevant points into English.Ayatollah Boroujerdi and the late-Ayatollah Montazeri, both were anti-Khomeini clerics.

Grand Ayatollah Montazeri was ousted from succeeding Khomeini for this reason and Boroujerdi has suffered unspeakable hardships where starvation and witholding of his vital medications have beconme an ongoing effort to hasten his death. (Ayatollahs cannot be formally executed but if they happen to die......!).

Also read other archives to refresh your mind of some other details.

http://noiri.blogspot.com/2007/07/ayatollah-boroujerdi-appeals-to-pope.html

http://noiri.blogspot.com/2009/12/grand-ayatollah-dies-and-perhaps-also.html

http://noiri.blogspot.com/2009/12/good-expansion-on-my-article-about.html

http://noiri.blogspot.com/2009/06/ahmadinejad.html

http://noiri.blogspot.com/2009/06/sundaymonday-iran-news-live-update.html

http://noiri.blogspot.com/2007/09/good-overview-of-islamic-republics.html

http://noiri.blogspot.com/2007/06/why-iranians-are-not-risking-life-and.html

http://noiri.blogspot.com/2006/12/irans-security-apparatus.html


17 posted on 12/12/2010 1:49:15 PM PST by FARS (Be healthy, happy and thrive)
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To: FARS

Thanks FARS.


18 posted on 12/12/2010 2:10:29 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: FARS; SunkenCiv

Of course they all wanted Democracy in Iran ... After all, nobody heard people shouting: “We Want Democracy ... Death to the Shah” ..

Although, plenty heard: “Allah_o_Akbar.. Death to the Shah” ..

No doubt & thanks to the Mullahs in Iran & Co., who brainwashed people over the decades/centuries, in the first place.

I suspect Montazeri & so be it Boroujerdi will eventually have a massive party in some place with Khomeini et al, even by default.

Thanks FARS.


19 posted on 12/12/2010 2:39:59 PM PST by odds
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To: All

http://noiri.blogspot.com/2010/07/house-in-tehran-islamic-iran.html

KHAMENEI’S SECRET LIFE (in case you missed it)

http://noiri.blogspot.com/2010/01/full-english-version-of-khameneis.html


20 posted on 12/12/2010 2:57:02 PM PST by FARS (Be healthy, happy and thrive)
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To: nuconvert; All

Very wise sounding for someone that is the product of Islamic education.

He seems to understand a principle concerning belief. You cannot force anyone to believe anything. You can only prescribe or proscribe behavior, and not that easily. Oh yes, at the point of the sword you can make someone “say” they believe (or don’t) something, but you can’t change what they really believe inwardly.

Beliefs (any beliefs) are personal and cannot be coherced.

Now what I’m about to write is NOT a slam on Roman Catholics.....When Constantine turned Christian, eventually “Christianity” was made the state religion of Rome. This filled the “churches” with many, many people that didn’t trully believe...they just wanted to get along or advance. It was the worst thing that ever happened in Christian history. It laid the ground work for the horrors done in the name of Christ in later years.


21 posted on 12/12/2010 3:12:07 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: MplsSteve
I hope you’re right. I also hope that many members of the Basij are hanging right alongside the mullahs.

It will be a bloody civil war. The Basij tend to be recruited from among the rural poor. Being a thug enforcer is all they know how to do. They have no skills that would allow them to exist in a free Iran at their current standard of living, and will fight to preserve their positions.

22 posted on 12/12/2010 3:13:51 PM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: FARS

>>”Grand Ayatollah Montazeri was ousted from succeeding Khomeini for this reason”<<<

As you know, Montazeri studied under Khomeini for years before Khomeini took power in Iran in 1979 with the help of Montazeri.

Montazeri wasn’t ousted during at least first 6 yrs after Khomeini took power. Montazeri actually supported Khomeinist regime until he was so-called ‘ousted’ a couple of yrs before Khomeini died, and was put under ‘house arrest’ .. wow! how sad ... Montazeri was ousted because it was all a political struggle between the two factions of the same ISLAMIC REGIME.

These are facts, and you know it. Whether you want to spin it that way or not that is you choice.

As for Boroujerdi, too bad. I hope he is released, but he should know his kind & his religion/sect.

My memory is very refreshed. Perhaps we should refresh our collective memory about those innumerable Iranians, who have died, precisely, because some rather remember & justify the actions of some idiot such as Montazeri or even Boroujerdi over others.

Am truly sorry FARS, but I expected something more impartial & accurate from you, not the usual mainstream pro (reformist) IRI spin.


23 posted on 12/12/2010 3:15:19 PM PST by odds
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To: odds

IIRC, Boroujerdi’s father had the same secularist views, and was also a confidant of the Shah. The Shah would be driven to Qom to meet with the elder Boroujerdi.


24 posted on 12/12/2010 4:03:03 PM PST by Fred Hayek (FUBO! I salute you with the soles of my shoes.)
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To: Fred Hayek

>>>”IIRC, Boroujerdi’s father had the same secularist views,<<<

The Constitution of Iran during the late Shah specified the Shia (twelvers) Islam (Jafari school of theology). Specifically, the Monarch & the heir to the throne had to be Shia Moslems.

The Constitution of Iran became even more Islamic, per above, after the Shah was overthrown in 1979 (when Khomeini took power) - more Islamic laws have been since enforced.

Notable is that the much vaunted & admired “Grand Ayatollah Montazeri” actually wrote the Islamic Constitution of Iran after the Shah was overthrown, and when Khomeini took over.

Whatever Boroujerdi or his father was teaching for their ‘secularist views’ to the Shah didn’t work. It was all pie-in-the-sky.

The late Shah of Iran has been buried in Egypt since his death in 1980.


25 posted on 12/12/2010 5:57:13 PM PST by odds
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To: FARS

Thanks for the ping!


26 posted on 12/12/2010 7:05:33 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: odds; All; Spunky; ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1035rep; 2ndDivisionVet; 4woodenboats; 5Madman2; ...

Pro-reformist? Me? IRI spin?? Where did you get that? There are no more fervent an anti-Islamic Iran regime proponents than Alan and myself. However, there are repentents, like Montazeri and Boroujerdi (the latter, already an Ayatollah, never supported Khomeini) who turned against Khomeini as his weirdness turned ever more rapacious. And ruled by ignorance as does Obama.

That does not mean I forget and forgive, specially when Rafsanjani, Moussavi, Khatami and Karoobi etc., and their Green movement were all part of the Khomeini administration and all have rivers of blood on their hands.

Montazeri recanted and was set aside and basically lived thereafter under house arrest.

I was a witness to and reported the moment by moment seizure of Boroujerdi when he rose in opposition to the regime and tried to overthrow it.

Does not make him a good guy but he is less bad and when he and Montazeri realized what a huge Obama type mistake they had made, tried to take steps to correct it.

I look forward to all Iran’s street lamp posts being “trimmed” (like our Xmas trees) with mullah decorations hung by their necks including Boroujerdi but in a balanced analysis, I woud have a twinge of momentary sadness to see Boroujerdi strung up. Mostly because of his father being a fairly honorable supporter of the monarchy. As are Alan and I.

And the enemy of my enemy is philosophically my ally if not really my friend and deserves a modicum of pragmatic support.

I’m delighted by your fervor and fully support it but in a pragmatic world we have to find allies where we can - even within the hated Mojaheddin to achieve the overthrow of the mullahs we need.

You will agree that politics make strange bedfellows and like the matter of Mojaheddin, they are allies till the primary mission is accomplished and then need to be removed in phase two. Off the face of the earth if need be.

For now,like with Boroujerdi, they are a catspaw for the greater need, not a solution in themselves.

Nothing even handed or reformist about my attitudes or opinions about the clerics - only in the phrasing for practical reasons. I lost dozens of high ranking, close friends during the revolution while I was still trapped inside Iran, but as the Persians say there are times to stealthily cut off someone’s head with soft cotton wool.

cheers


27 posted on 12/12/2010 10:45:12 PM PST by FARS (Be healthy, happy and thrive)
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To: nuconvert

This is news? I don’t really care what the Muzzies do or not. THey all can take a long walk off a short pier.Who wants relations with the idiots?

And who cares who is in jail or not, and what they say? The whole country needs a shellacking, after what they have done to the whole world for the last 30 years.

Eff them royally!


28 posted on 12/13/2010 12:24:53 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/brack_obama_ipthe_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Candor7; nuconvert
"This is news? I don’t really care what the Muzzies do or not. THey all can take a long walk off a short pier.Who wants relations with the idiots?

And who cares who is in jail or not, and what they say? The whole country needs a shellacking, after what they have done to the whole world for the last 30 years.

Eff them royally!"

Astounding! And not in a good way.

29 posted on 12/13/2010 6:33:35 AM PST by Valin
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To: FARS

Thanks for the ping!


30 posted on 12/13/2010 7:05:27 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Valin
small minds

31 posted on 12/13/2010 7:42:59 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert

I really don’t understand Candor7’s kind of thinking...and I use the word thinking in the loosest sense of the word in this case


32 posted on 12/13/2010 1:50:52 PM PST by Valin
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To: Valin; nuconvert

Yes, and wahts more I do not think the bashibazooks should have a damn bit if inluence over any domestic policy. Who in hell do they think they are?

This is America, and I’ll be damned before any one of them gets to tell me that they do not need to take off a veil for a security photo due to religious reasons, for example.Political correctess is not the basis for any public policy, empirical evidence and history is..logic.

I have no intenton of having a relatonship of any sort with any muslim, unless it be on an adversarial basis.This is their community attitude, and they will have it back 10 fold.The can take their fascist political correctness and trade it in for the freedoms enjoyed by any American, or get the hell out.Thay means joining in completely with America and her culture and observing their religion within their own homes and churches. Thats where it stays, or it dies, and some of them along with it IMHO if necessary.

Welcome to the melting pot. THe pluralistic society of liberal fascism is dead, it will die so hard it will never return, rejected and unmourned by a united nation of free people.

The taqiya of wishing happy hannukah from prison is a poor joke. Who gives a $hit? About 200 million of us don’t.They play bleeding heart leftists and their media synchophants like fiddles.


33 posted on 12/13/2010 4:07:03 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/brack_obama_ipthe _quintessentia_1.html)
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To: FARS

I think you have had a very interesting life FARS.
Merry Christmas to you.


34 posted on 12/13/2010 5:02:12 PM PST by potlatch ( Life must be lived forward but can only be seen looking backward. - Soren Kierkegaard)
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To: Sola Veritas; All

When Constantine decided to use Christianity for the unity of the state, he told the Christians to get their act together and decide exactly what Christianity actually was. Thus we had the Council of Nicea and one set of theological interpretation decided on and all others declared as heracies. Oh, how many millions of disenting Christians have been murdered because of Constantine’s decision? Thankfully we have the First Amendment.


35 posted on 12/14/2010 1:38:23 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: FARS

Here are two Kind prayers for Montazeri & those others who ‘recanted’, or who will eventually recant.

The first one in Persian:

Ghoor baabaash.

The second, in English, I really couldn’t post!


36 posted on 12/16/2010 3:52:17 AM PST by odds
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