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Ending Military's Gay Ban Lets Obama Fulfill Another Clinton Promise(Cloture Vote 63 - 33)
npr ^ | December 18, 2010 12:03 pm | Ron Elving

Posted on 12/18/2010 9:32:56 AM PST by Red Steel

Nearly two decades ago, President Bill Clinton ignited the first of the firestorms that would define his presidency by announcing an end to the ban on gays and lesbians in the military.

Today, 18 years later, the U.S. Senate took the vote that means gays and lesbians will be able to serve openly in all branches of the U.S. armed forces. As the House has passed an identical bill, a final vote in the Senate will send the legislation to President Obama, whose signature will make it law and make it a signal achievement of his presidency to date.

Thus the service of gays in the military becomes the latest issue on which the agenda and fate of the last two Democratic presidents seem to be inextricably linked. As with the health care bill earlier this year, it would be fitting for the former present to be present at the signing ceremony, which should take place next week.

We have come to refer to this particular milestone in American social history as the repeal of the "don't ask don't tell" policy. It may be a curiously inverted term for the debate, but it harks back to the last time the issue consumed Washington and tells us a lot about how change happens.

Back in 1992, Clinton had promised several prominent backers he would overturn the longstanding military prohibition on homosexuality, and he tried to deliver on that promise immediately. He thought Congress and the country would go along because he had spoken of changing the policy in his campaign.

He was wrong. Resistance arose immediately within the military and among social conservatives, and Clinton soon found many in his own party deserting him in Congress. He was forced to fall back on a compromise.

The compromise had two parts. First, the military would stop trying to discover and discharge gays and lesbians. Second, those who let their orientation be known would still be subject to dismissal.

The policy was called "don't ask, don't tell." It pleased no one, but it let everyone move on. That is, after all, the essential function of a compromise. Congress codified it in 1993.

Over the years, the policy sometimes shorthanded as “DADT” made no new friends. Those who wanted homosexuality banned in the services rankled at the DADT restraints, while the gay community saw the enforced concealment as inherently shaming and discriminatory.

More than 13,500 active service members have been discharged under the provisions of this law. But beyond that, it has come to represent the persistence of gay closeting in the culture writ large. What had begun as an effort to change attitudes became a symbol of the difficulty in doing just that.

Clinton had thought he could make the break by imitating President Harry Truman, who had stunned much of the country in 1948 by ordering an end to racial segregation in the armed forces. Truman did it by fiat, simply ordering the military to integrate "as quickly as possible." Officially, the Pentagon saluted and complied. In reality, the process was labored and took years.

Still, Clinton thought the Truman model would work for him. He reasoned that the existence of gays and lesbians in the ranks was an open secret in the military and in the society in general. He thought he was not so much altering a reality as repealing a hypocrisy. But that sort of thing can get a president in trouble, too.

Saturday's vote will be called a great victory for President Obama, and indeed he can take great satisfaction in completing the policy change Clinton set in motion almost a generation ago.

The climate for this issue has warmed considerably in the interim, thanks to a long campaign by gay activists and civil rights groups and by moderating attitudes in the public and within the uniformed services — as measured in recent surveys.

But as change continues, resistance to it also persists. That is the lesson of the national elections of 2008 and 2010. And it was the lesson of the Senate votes taken this Saturday morning.

On the same day the Senate agreed to repeal DADT, it failed to break another Republican filibuster threat against the DREAM Act. This is a bill allowing the children of people who entered the U.S. illegally allowed to earn citizenship if they go to college or serve in military.

Why was DADT repealed but the DREAM Act blocked? The difference was that four Republicans were willing to buck their party's filibuster threat and vote for the repeal of DADT, but there wasn't an equivalent showing from the GOP for DREAM.

The DREAM Act was at one time a bipartisan measure, and indeed it has attracted GOP support in the House. But in the Senate it is hostage to the same tactical game by which the minority party maintains much of the power to run the Senate — the "virtual filibuster" that requires 60 votes to do anything.

It took nearly a generation to muster this many votes for gays in the military. How long will it take to find that many for the next meaningful change in the immigration laws?


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: barf; dadt; dontask; dontaskdonttell; donttell; homosexualagenda

1 posted on 12/18/2010 9:33:01 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
Thus the service of gays in the military becomes the latest issue on which the agenda and fate of the last two Democratic presidents seem to be inextricably linked.

That pretty much says it all, directly and indirectly...

2 posted on 12/18/2010 9:40:50 AM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: Red Steel

Oh, this is nice, the Military is merely a instrument of political games.

And now we will be treated to the Pat Twoomey’s of the world acting as if the whole thing never happened..nothing to see here..hey, let’s talk Globalism!


3 posted on 12/18/2010 9:41:29 AM PST by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: Red Steel

This is the progressives/liberals/Marxist’s first step in insuring that we have to re institute the draft in order to maintain a proper force.


4 posted on 12/18/2010 9:41:42 AM PST by rocksblues (Obama, the biggest liar in the history of American politics!)
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To: Red Steel
four Republicans were willing to buck their party's filibuster threat and vote for the repeal of DADT. . . .

Names? We're taking names today.

5 posted on 12/18/2010 9:46:14 AM PST by Charles Henrickson (2012 is coming.)
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To: Red Steel

And in 2012, we will change the Congress and the President: then reinstate DADT, and throw all the queers out of the military that came out of the closet.

The only reason DADT passed is because America was still asleep 3 years ago when a lot of the senators were elected.


6 posted on 12/18/2010 9:49:49 AM PST by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: Red Steel
"...pre-World War II Germany and its quest for reviving and imitating a Hellenistic-paganistic idea of homo-eroticism and militarism.”        
Dr. Mordechai Nisan, Hebrew University of Jerusalem"
http://www.defendthefamily.com/pfrc/books/pinkswastika/html/the_pinkswastika_4th_edition_-_final.htm
 
Welcome to 1933.
 

7 posted on 12/18/2010 9:51:41 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Red Steel
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I don't have a picture of Barry doing the old soft shoe.

9 posted on 12/18/2010 9:54:08 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Merry Christmas to all of my FReeper FRiends!)
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To: Red Steel

Wow.

This is going to piss of a LOT of infantrymen.


10 posted on 12/18/2010 9:56:42 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Red Steel

Good! /s

Now our CINC can serve legally!


11 posted on 12/18/2010 9:58:25 AM PST by melancholy (It ain't Camelot, it's Scam-a-lot!)
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To: jazusamo
Murkowsi,Collins,Brown,Toomey.

WOW! TOOMEY?????????????

13 posted on 12/18/2010 10:01:43 AM PST by melancholy (It ain't Camelot, it's Scam-a-lot!)
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To: SE Mom
Just imagine openly queer marines!?!?

There goes over 200 years of honor heritage and Simper Fi literally down the poop chute.

14 posted on 12/18/2010 10:02:33 AM PST by Happy Rain ("Every Christmas the Leftist atheists become "hatetheists.")
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To: jazusamo
Toomey didn't vote on it. He has yet to take office.

Little Bobby Casey Jr. did though.

As did Do-As-Much-Damage-While-Dying Arlen.

15 posted on 12/18/2010 10:04:02 AM PST by Tribune7 (The Democrat Party is not a political organization but a religious cult.)
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To: Red Steel

Repeal DADT,Carlos Hathccok moves cross hairs.


16 posted on 12/18/2010 10:04:28 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Red Steel

I know our military just loves being used in the political games of far left wing politicians. :)

Seriously though: Gays should NOT be allowed in the military. Why? Because they fight with their boyfriends, get pissy then leak our intelligence secrets to our enemy (see Bradley Manning).


17 posted on 12/18/2010 10:05:16 AM PST by Tzimisce (It's just another day in Obamaland.)
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To: Red Steel

And when recruitment numbers suddenly dive, the MSM, if they mention it at all, will probably blame it on global warming.


18 posted on 12/18/2010 10:05:52 AM PST by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: Happy Rain
Just imagine openly queer marines!?!?

Arabs wouldn't mind accommodating them and the queers would love it!

0b0z0 is their CINC who's from the same whole cloth.

Thanks to our "fellow" Americans who voted him in.

19 posted on 12/18/2010 10:10:16 AM PST by melancholy (It ain't Camelot, it's Scam-a-lot!)
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To: melancholy; All
Just did some looking. There were more RINO's voting for cloture.

Excerpt:

"The Republicans voting "yes" were: Sens. Scott Brown (R-Mass), Susan Collins (R-Alaska), Mark Kirk (R-Ill.), Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska), Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) and George Voinovich (R-Ohio). Collins had co-sponsored the repeal bill."

Senate Achieves Cloture on DADT Repeal, Bill on Path Become Law

20 posted on 12/18/2010 10:10:25 AM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: melancholy

Looks like Toomey didn’t.


21 posted on 12/18/2010 10:11:38 AM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Thanks for the correction. I was genuinely shocked!


22 posted on 12/18/2010 10:14:21 AM PST by melancholy (It ain't Camelot, it's Scam-a-lot!)
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To: Tribune7

Yeah, I’m having my two incorrect posts removed, my post #20 is correct, I think.


23 posted on 12/18/2010 10:20:14 AM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: rocksblues
This is the progressives/liberals/Marxist’s first step in insuring that we have to re institute the draft in order to maintain a proper force.

This time, being openly gay will no longer get you a 4-F classification. You may just get 1-A and an infantry MOS. They wanted it and they will get it whether they like it or not.

24 posted on 12/18/2010 10:34:26 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: rocksblues
This is the progressives/liberals/Marxist’s first step in insuring that we have to re institute the draft in order to maintain a proper force.

And after the draft, they expect the anti-war protests.

Redux 1960's.

25 posted on 12/18/2010 10:43:49 AM PST by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: Red Steel
Mainstream democrats are already celebrating.


26 posted on 12/18/2010 10:47:35 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Only criminals, dictators and democrats fear armed citizens.")
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To: I still care

I believe they will label them “homophobes” and celebrate.


27 posted on 12/18/2010 10:48:02 AM PST by JerseyDvl (Sometimes the road less traveled.... is less traveled for a reason.)
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To: Charles Henrickson
It was six of them:

Bunch of yeasty hedge-born miscreants. (Thank you, Will Shakespeare.)

28 posted on 12/18/2010 11:00:44 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Cockered swag-bellied puttocks!)
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To: Red Steel
. . . a final vote in the Senate will send the legislation to President Obama, whose signature will make it law and make it a signal achievement of his presidency to date

Ranks right in there with his Dem-wit predecessor's most enduring legacy: Monica's stained dress.

29 posted on 12/18/2010 11:11:47 AM PST by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The usual suspects.


30 posted on 12/18/2010 11:25:16 AM PST by Wisconsinlady (DEFUND NPR, PBS, THE TSA AND THE U.N.)
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To: LomanBill

good book.


31 posted on 12/18/2010 12:08:27 PM PST by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
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To: Iron Munro

I’m a woman and there’s no way I could walk in those heels.


32 posted on 12/18/2010 12:08:52 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it.)
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To: Red Steel

Codifying open homosexuality in the military seems an odd tact for an “administration” bowing forward and bending backward to gain the favor of the world`s muslims. Last I checked, 0bama`s muslim brethren aren`t exactly down with the sodomite thing.


33 posted on 12/18/2010 12:09:22 PM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: padre35

Toomey’s a reliable social conservative vote, so I’ll disagree with his uncritical free trading when it becomess a real issue, and not whack him here, especially as he has yet to take his seat.


34 posted on 12/18/2010 12:16:18 PM PST by eater-of-toast ("It is much more important to kill bad bills than to pass good ones." -- Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Happy Rain
"Simper Fi." Good pun on what the lavender brigades want to do to the Marines and the rest of the military.
35 posted on 12/18/2010 12:19:31 PM PST by eater-of-toast ("It is much more important to kill bad bills than to pass good ones." -- Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Happy Rain

This is easily by far the worst congress in the history of our nation.


36 posted on 12/18/2010 12:27:33 PM PST by Sprite518
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To: Red Steel

This sucks but at least they can still boot people out for conduct unbecoming.

I hope.


37 posted on 12/18/2010 12:40:20 PM PST by Grunthor (Silence is golden, Duct Tape is silver.)
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To: Salvavida
And in 2012, we will change the Congress and the President: then reinstate DADT, and throw all the queers out of the military that came out of the closet.

That will be a Herculean task. The 63 senators who voted for cloture today will all filibuster DADT reinstatement, and today's 33 No votes will have to increase to 60. That means having to elect at least 27 more senators fiercely determined to roll back the homosexual agenda, every one of them with an appetite for left-wing media abuse to rival Jesse Helms. After all, it's always a more contentious position to try to remove a right once it's granted than to reject granting it in the first place. I'd expect a couple of our 33 Noes today not to care to fight it out again in the future, and of course Manchin, who didn't vote today, will be of no help. He won't want to anger fellow Rats too much.
38 posted on 12/18/2010 12:40:57 PM PST by eater-of-toast ("It is much more important to kill bad bills than to pass good ones." -- Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Red Steel

ANYONE WHO THINKS THAT GAYS IN THE MILITARY IS OK IS VERY SICK AND VERY UN-AMERICAN.


39 posted on 12/18/2010 12:58:09 PM PST by mulligan
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To: Red Steel

It should not be forgotten that the excesses and outrages of the Clintons during their tenure is what paved the way for this Communist mess Obama and the Democrats have rammed down our throats. - If anyone else says, “Oh, but the Clintons weren’t so bad, I miss them, and how I’d love to see Hillary become our President”, I think I’ll heave. Hillary’s a worse Socialist than Bill was, and “healthcare” was her intended avenue of total control, until people got sick of her holding closed door meetings intending to do it undercover. The Clintons and Obama are fellow travelers. Of course, Bill’s thing is as simple as he never intends to ever have to pay a “light” bill, and he loves his interns, literally. Hillary’s seems to be more serious and more for keeps.


40 posted on 12/18/2010 1:17:26 PM PST by Twinkie (Doing nothing is the most tiring job there is; you can't quit and rest . .)
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To: eater-of-toast

I agree with what you are saying. It will be difficult. I don’t think any nation has ever reversed such a policy.

The last vote is from the officers and NCOs in the ranks. I suspect once the morale plummett, those are the ones we need to hear from in order to turn the tide.


41 posted on 12/18/2010 1:31:39 PM PST by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: Twinkie

Yes INDEED!!!

In 1993-1994 we had a brief spasm of bad liberal agenda items - gun bans, tax hikes, attempt to tax carbon, spending sprees, leftists on the courts, ... and the gays-in-the-military attempt.

In 1993, DADT was 1/2 step and this was the other half.
In 2010, ObamaCare was 1/2 step to single payer and if we make the mistake of allowing another leftist President and Congress in, there will be the completion of THAT project.

This is how it works. For 8 years, Clinton failed to enforce immigration law, undoing the 1986 ‘amnesty’ purpose. As a result, we have millions of illegal immigrants. That led, inevitably, to a push for another ‘amnesty’ to the DREAM Act and other attempts to legalize what has been permitted through a failure to enforce the law for 20 years.

We saw the last gasps of this era’s Liberal Moment in these votes today. Liberalism has advanced in fits and starts lately, for the simple reason that the people don’t really support it, so they can only do it when given more power for reasons other than faith in the liberal agenda. Obama wasn’t elected to enact DREAM Act or to socialize medicine.


42 posted on 12/18/2010 2:17:11 PM PST by WOSG (Carpe Diem)
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To: Twinkie
Hillary’s seems to be more serious and more for keeps.

LOL, that's putting it mildly.


43 posted on 12/18/2010 3:33:52 PM PST by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on its own.)
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To: Red Steel

This was beatable, and it was the fault of the RINOS much more than any other political group, IMHO. The RINOS could of sided with conservatives on this issue, but they didn’t. Any and all problems with DADT will be the fault of all leftists from both major U.S. political parties.


44 posted on 12/18/2010 5:13:48 PM PST by johnthebaptistmoore (If leftist legislation that's already in place really can't be ended by non-leftists, then what?)
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To: Red Steel

Give it 2-3 years - they will have PINK TANKS!!! Believe it! Wait till the Army has Gay Pride day!


45 posted on 12/18/2010 6:15:48 PM PST by 2harddrive
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