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Senate clears way for 'don't ask don't tell' repeal
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Posted on 12/18/2010 9:33:26 AM PST by RatherBiased.com

The Senate has just voted to end debate on a bill that would lift the ban on gays serving openly in the military, essentially clearing the measure for passage and signature by the president.

Lawmakers voted 63 to 33 to end debate on the current policy, put in place by former president Bill Clinton, informally known as "don't ask don't tell."

The Senate could vote on final passage of the measure as early as today but it will most likely happen on Sunday or Monday.

"We are on the verge of ending 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' for good," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said after the vote "This is one of those moments in our history when we stepped up and squared our policies with the values this nation was founded upon."

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To: OldGoatCPO
yes I know I was replying to the poster who thought that homosexuals were in already that there would be no change but as you said there will be and it will being so many problems. Imagine now going on base and seeing two men kissing or some men wearing women's clothes after work? It's sick and yet we still have the small minority saying they know a couple of homosexuals and they have no problem
201 posted on 12/18/2010 10:49:33 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: ohioman

I will. I have known him since he was 8 years old, I love that kid.


202 posted on 12/18/2010 10:49:53 AM PST by ShandaLear (Where on Earth is Barack Obama?)
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To: ohioman

I will. I have known him since he was 8 years old, I love that kid.


203 posted on 12/18/2010 10:50:03 AM PST by ShandaLear (Where on Earth is Barack Obama?)
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To: RatherBiased.com
Republicans who voted for repeal: Murkowski, Voinovich, Brown, Kirk, Snowe, Collins

Republicans who abstained: Hatch, Gregg, Bunning.

Democrats who abstained: Manchin.

204 posted on 12/18/2010 10:51:09 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: TCH

Good post and right on.


205 posted on 12/18/2010 10:51:14 AM PST by caww
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To: RatherBiased.com
So, next is the modification of the UCMJ to legalize sodomy.

I`m glad Gens. Patton, Eisenhower, MacArthur, et al aren`t alive to see this.

206 posted on 12/18/2010 10:51:59 AM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica

my two sons were to join the Marines now they have just said that they will not.
There goes a hundred years of military tradition in this family.


207 posted on 12/18/2010 10:53:04 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: Lazamataz
Its not that Gays will be allowed to serve in the military that bothers me so much as the fact that the top Brass will institute no discrimination policies that will end careers and punish people for even the smallest perceived slight by a homosexual, such as a gay joke.
208 posted on 12/18/2010 10:53:04 AM PST by Husker24
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To: CharlesWayneCT

“I agree with this; but does that include laws of the land to enforce what we KNOW is morally correct, but which is a religious morality?”

I contend that the majority of our problems stems from deviation from Judeo-Christian principles. Morality without Christianity is like vapor- dissipated on the winds of the situation. Our government was designed with this sort of thinking in mind; while they envisioned a land where it was possible not to be Christian, the Founders at no point imagined the gross paganization and descent into barbarism taking place now.

“When in fact, the key I think was that gay sexual activity was banned; I think we need to still prohibit all gay sex between military members, and that will be the biggest fallout from repeal.”

The biggest fallout will come later. Failure to promote an openly gay person will result in a lawsuit; likewise, gays in positions of power will promote other gays, and lawsuits by straight soldiers will fail, as will sexual harassment complaints. Also, the military will be forced to recognize gay couplings as legitimate as marriage, and that opens the door to having it made law throughout the rest of the society.

“I oppose this repeal, because I see this as an attack on our culture by a militant group concerned more with changing normalcy than getting along or being allowed to serve. “
I think you are correct here, for the most part. I think though, that they had someone behind them who desired to weaken the US military and that it is all a part of this:
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm


209 posted on 12/18/2010 10:53:08 AM PST by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: OldGoatCPO

Answer a question for me, if a gay person goes to battle for this country and dies in the process, is his sacrifice less than a heterosexuals?


210 posted on 12/18/2010 10:53:21 AM PST by ShandaLear (Where on Earth is Barack Obama?)
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To: Alter Kaker

A reason you will never figure out.


211 posted on 12/18/2010 10:53:26 AM PST by ohioman
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To: Drew68
You are correct, gay males tend to remain more circumspect, they will lose the respect of their peers or their troops. Gay males are less likely to be mentored and we know how important a mentor is in the military, at least the Navy. Most of the real issues centered around gay females. That will get worse, while the males will really have to be careful about coming out openly. Despite the corrupted poll, most junior officers and men will not respect a gay leader.
212 posted on 12/18/2010 10:54:41 AM PST by OldGoatCPO
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To: rollo tomasi

That remark is simply stupid.


213 posted on 12/18/2010 10:55:22 AM PST by ShandaLear (Where on Earth is Barack Obama?)
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To: manc

Good to see some people still have fight left in ‘em.

I am sick of us always being on the defensive. It’s time to reverse that.


214 posted on 12/18/2010 10:56:09 AM PST by apronius (Good start, but not complete.)
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To: ShandaLear

I am sure Ernst Rhoem’s mother loved him too - same as Hitler’s.


215 posted on 12/18/2010 10:56:33 AM PST by ohioman
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To: Alter Kaker

It will destroy the US Military as we know it...the greatest military in the world.

No parent in their right mind will encourage their 18 year old boy to sleep, live, or shower with another man who openly, proudly, and admittedly has anal sex, and prefers it with young ones, for obvious reasons. No way.

Eventually, good men will leave and retire, just as is planned by the leftwing commies whose goal it is to reduce the power of the US economy and military.

Here is their latest FU to Americans:

“If there are people who cannot deal with the change, then they’re going to have to do what’s best for their troops and best for the organization and best for the military service and exit the military service, so that we can move forward — if that’s the way that we have to go,” Hill says in an interview with Roland Martin, scheduled to air Sunday.

Hill says it will be up to military brass to “set the tone” for the rank-and-file in accepting gay service members.


216 posted on 12/18/2010 10:56:57 AM PST by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
That is exactly why it could be passed without the “well reenlistment's will drop”. No it won't. Nobody wants to get out of the military in this economy. Plus, two of the services are cutting their numbers and two will once Afghanistan is over. This was a very purposeful situation that had every position in place. Bad economy, cutting the force, democrats, RINOs, Christmas time, and many others. This could not have been more choreographed if tried.
217 posted on 12/18/2010 10:57:15 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica
the FIRST thing that’s going to happen is that the military will institute Gay Diversity Training and EVERY marine will be ORDERED to attend.

This is when individual Marines have to take up arms against those officers issuing immoral orders. No kidding. No point in continuing to call themselves United States Marine Corps otherwise. The brand stands for certain values that can not be abridged.

218 posted on 12/18/2010 10:59:07 AM PST by steve86
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To: ShandaLear

first off they are homosexuals not gay unless you lie playing the lefts word game.
Secondly they should not bee there in the first place as most of us do not want them. I say we as those who are serving or have served.
Thirdly with all their diseases they have form their sick sex then do you think I or others would be wanting to touch their blood knowing that they might have a disease which can be given to me and cause me death later on.

Manning is a perfect example of why homosexuals should not be there.
They care about letting people know what turns them off and gets them off more than anything else
Look at the homosexuals at the white house chaining themselves up.
Where were they with cuts tot he military?
why did they now demonstrate those cuts which costs lives?

I’ll answer for you because they care about their homosexual agenda and another thing I will say to you.
Jim R has made it perfectly clear time and time again that this site is a conservative site which is not for the homosexual agenda.


219 posted on 12/18/2010 10:59:22 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: Carismar

I won`t recommend the military either, especially to friends and family members. I don`t want them subjected to forced living arrangements with queers.


220 posted on 12/18/2010 10:59:39 AM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: RatherBiased.com
"We are on the verge of ending 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' for good," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said after the vote "This is one of those moments in our history when we stepped up and squared our policies with the values this nation was founded upon."

WTF???? Our nation was founded on gay rights? Pardon the french, but BS!!!!!!!!!!!

221 posted on 12/18/2010 10:59:55 AM PST by Bobby_Taxpayer (Don't tread on us...or you'll pay the price in the next election.)
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To: OldGoatCPO

Bingo. Chief, I think you hit the nail on the head. With the military it has always been “get the job done - cheap”. Back when I served, nobody asked and you sure as hell did not tell. Blanket parties took care of any dangling participles; and, by God, they worked!!!


222 posted on 12/18/2010 11:00:48 AM PST by jivin gene (Breakin' up is hard to do)
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To: ShandaLear
just for being gay if they have served with honor?

So exactly how long has it been since you were in a communal shower with someone of the same sex eyeing you and your equipment as a potential sex partner? Easy to say when it's someone else's humiliation.

When you're a civilian you can be a lot more flexible about where you go and when you go.

In the military you go where they send you and HAVE to use the facilities that are provided. There's no two ways about it.

How long has it been since you were in the military exactly?

223 posted on 12/18/2010 11:01:08 AM PST by HeartlandOfAmerica (Obama and the Dem Congress will spend $5 trillion every year of his presidency until they break US!)
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To: apronius

YOU BET IT IS.
We should not be shutting up and not talking about their agenda because a name which does not make sense might be hurled at us.
Tell everyone what their agenda is.
Let it be known how they will now use this to now overturn DOMA.
Once they do that then it is teach fisting to little kids.
Then making Revs etc to marry them.
Then comes the granddaddy of all.
Speak against them and you can be jailed for hate crimes.


224 posted on 12/18/2010 11:01:12 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: ohioman

Not that is a ridiculous analogy. LOL!


225 posted on 12/18/2010 11:01:32 AM PST by ShandaLear (Where on Earth is Barack Obama?)
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To: napscoordinator

How soon until we get “political officers” in every unit kind of like the Russians?


226 posted on 12/18/2010 11:02:50 AM PST by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: longtermmemmory

Think that if you’d like but the battle is an up hill one and denying that only makes it more of one. Once they get these “rights” it’ll be extremely unlikely we ever take them back.


227 posted on 12/18/2010 11:03:43 AM PST by DemonDeac
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To: ShandaLear

How can a military that is so stymied by political correctness that nobody will report a guy who’s BUSINESS CARD says he’s a jihadist until he shoots up Ft.Hood possibly be trusted to fairly enforce rules of conduct on another ‘favored and protected’ group?


228 posted on 12/18/2010 11:04:06 AM PST by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: ShandaLear

You are by far the biggest F’in idiot on this thread.


229 posted on 12/18/2010 11:04:15 AM PST by ohioman
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To: Charles Henrickson

“Yes, we’re taking names today. I heard there were four. My guess would be the Maine sisters (Snowe and Collins), Brown, and Kirk.”

Although Kirk campaigned that he would vote against it, don’t count on it.

Read these F.R. threads:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2526155/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2525571/posts

I’m just wondering if switches to the rat party before or after he comes out of the closet.


230 posted on 12/18/2010 11:04:34 AM PST by Graybeard58
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To: OldGoatCPO
I was stupid to believe he would not screw the military, he really is a horses a$$ and never again will I vote for him.

Anyone rabidly pro-abortion doesn't have the moral fiber to be trusted on anything else.

231 posted on 12/18/2010 11:04:49 AM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: ShandaLear
Explain, or do you always evade arguments that expose your hypocrisy. “Oh my, he wrote faggot, never mind a boy I have known since 8 gets pounded in the a$$ frequently, I just can't stand that word, gross.”

I am sick of being on the defensive and must appear sympathetic towards homosexuals and those who are sympathetic to homosexuals who wish to destroy and deconstruct Judeo/Christian values. You have no idea of the can of worms that are opening right now.

232 posted on 12/18/2010 11:05:22 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: Alter Kaker

Now that Republicans control the House, it doesn’t matter whether they have 46 senate seats or 40. Those quislings who supported this madness MUST be purged from the GOP. The most infuriating is Murkowski. Joe Miller must be a complete moron to have lost to her on a write-in campaign, when there were issues like this that he could have hung around her neck.

As for the legal impact of today’s vote, it is going to be impossible to defeat homosexual marriage in the courts now that the government has sanctioned homosexuality in the military. The end of the Republic is not far off. And so the USA follows in the footsteps of Rome.


233 posted on 12/18/2010 11:05:28 AM PST by littleharbour
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To: ohioman; ShandaLear
You are by far the biggest F’in idiot on this thread.

Thanks! I thought for a moment I was. Now when was it that you served again?

234 posted on 12/18/2010 11:05:47 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: manc

No, that’s not what you said — but your restatement makes a tad more sense. However I doubt you or anyone will donate ALL of their money to anything. You do need to eat.


235 posted on 12/18/2010 11:07:10 AM PST by plain talk
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To: Graybeard58

need a wall of shame and put their names on this site for all to see and lets fight them to get them fired and know they have sold out to a homosexual activist special interest group and ignored the wishes of our men and women or most of them


236 posted on 12/18/2010 11:07:27 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: roses of sharon

Unfortunately that is starting already. Basically only three 4 stars in ALL four services have talked about how wrong this is. We have approximately 50 4-star admirals over the four services and we heard from THREE!


237 posted on 12/18/2010 11:08:15 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Alter Kaker; ShandaLear
I've still got you ahead of ShandaLear by a nose for the 'biggest horse's ass of the thread' award.


238 posted on 12/18/2010 11:08:20 AM PST by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: littleharbour

How about Hatch and Gregg, two little RINOs who -— whoops! — abstained.


239 posted on 12/18/2010 11:08:24 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: codercpc
I just don't think that just because someone is gay, they can't be the best damn soldier in the world.

And, they have been able to serve under DADT so the point is a straw man.

Heterosexuals in the military. They shouldn't have to undress, shower and share living quarters with someone that may have an unwanted sexual attraction to them.

Further, allowing open homosexuals in the military guarantees more sexual activity, more STDs and more sexual harassment.

BTW, God expects us to handle things on earth and ban or restrict harmful behavior. Your opinion isn't remotely Christian.

240 posted on 12/18/2010 11:09:39 AM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Alter Kaker

seeing as you keep asking this poster I’ll answer your question, Yes I served in a combat unit, yes I served with special forces and yes I know plenty still serving.
Now I did talk to a pal of mine the other day and he asked me to send a message to the reps and that message was.

Please do not repeal don’t ask as none of the boys here want it repealed.

I hope your question was answered.


241 posted on 12/18/2010 11:09:45 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: greene66

You have said it well. If they think a military opposed to God will prosper, they should re-think it before the Lord acts in the here and now. They seem to think they can relegate the Lord’s authority to the afterlife and “sorting it out there”. I think we are in for a rude awakening.


242 posted on 12/18/2010 11:10:46 AM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: ShandaLear

Allowing a sexual element into the military is what is bad policy.


243 posted on 12/18/2010 11:10:58 AM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Wait til a queer gets into a fight with a marine over stolen money, whatever.

They'll scream homophobia and the libs will line up behind him to lynch the marine.

Blacks do it.

Women do it.

Why not gays?

This is a TERRIBLE precedent.

244 posted on 12/18/2010 11:11:30 AM PST by HeartlandOfAmerica (Obama and the Dem Congress will spend $5 trillion every year of his presidency until they break US!)
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To: All
The problems with Rinos, is they begin their relationship with their voters with a lie. (they are actually Democrats)

Sort of like a woman who marries the man she had an affair with while he was married. It begins with a lie, and is doomed.

But, Rinos are ELECTABLE don't you know!

245 posted on 12/18/2010 11:11:38 AM PST by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: plain talk

semantics the left likes that too.

I say it again for you and hope you can answer my question , do you support the repeal and do you think homosexuals should marry each other?.
I will donate all the spare money I have to defeat these people who supported and voted this homosexual agenda.

Hope that is plain talk enough for you now.


246 posted on 12/18/2010 11:11:49 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: ohioman
A reason you will never figure out.

I read you loud and clear. Thank you, ohioman!

247 posted on 12/18/2010 11:12:17 AM PST by southernsunshine
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To: RatherBiased.com
The political class pushing this absurdity almost without exception never served in the U.S. military. Obama never, Reid never, Pelosi, of course, never. Robert Gates served in the USAF as an intelligence officer stateside for two years. This was during the Vietnam War 1967-1969.
As a former Marine I find this profoundly disturbing, this in short time, will undermine the quality of front line fighting units, whether it be the Marine Corps or Army. If some young Marine takes exception to someone patting him on the butt, or has to tolerate a late night tryst between two or more fags two bunks down from him in the squad bay ... and punches someone out ... the straight Marine will be brought up on charges that will be amplified by the fact he punched out a perverted but privileged minority.
248 posted on 12/18/2010 11:12:19 AM PST by BluH2o
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To: Lazamataz

...and since you’re merely miffed, this is another victory for Hussein and his cult.

Their goal is to make people “get used to it”.

I remember an extremist liberal Hussein cultist speaking to me when I expressed outrage the day after his god signed the healthcare bill into law: “You’ll get used to it.”

They really DO want to make perversion SO ubiquitous that we aren’t sickened by it anymore.


249 posted on 12/18/2010 11:14:20 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Baynative

It means equal rights for Domestic Partners to have military housing, living next to families.

It means having their domestic Partners participate inmilitary social functions as equals.

It means a new industry opening up for Lawyers.


250 posted on 12/18/2010 11:14:20 AM PST by happygrl
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