I think most here are really overreacting to DADT. Although I, personally, think homosexuality is a sin, I think this isone sin I will let God handle in the afterlife.
I also think divorce, and adultery, are sins but I don't think anyone here would ever say that we can't have a divorced soldier. I also know that the military has, in place, many sexual harassment statutes for their female soldiers, so I think any harassment charges could be handled in that way (if a gay soldier propositions a straight soldier).
Another thing to remember, is that whether we like it or not, most young people (todays soldiers) don't view homosexuality the same way as the older people do. My husband is a Veteran, and 25 years ago when he was a soldier there is no way a gay serviceman would be tolerated. This just isn't the case today (as the recent survey proved).
I just don't think that just because someone is gay, they can't be the best damn soldier in the world. They can be proud Americans, and they can (and do) fight for my freedoms, just as the straight soldiers do now.
As I said, homosexuality is a sin, but let's let God sort it out! Let's let the brave men and women that want to serve our country, serve.
OK, flame retardant suit is firmly in place.
I agree, so flame me too. DADT is a bad policy for both those who are pro and anti-gays serving in the military. Military discipline must be strictly enforced regardless of gender or anything else.
My, how magnanimous of you!
So you must not have any qualms at all about letting open homosexuals mentor your young children either...
Please do us a favor and decide not to come back to FR at all. You are part of the problem.
“Another thing to remember, is that whether we like it or not, most young people (todays soldiers) don’t view homosexuality the same way as the older people do. My husband is a Veteran, and 25 years ago when he was a soldier there is no way a gay serviceman would be tolerated. This just isn’t the case today (as the recent survey proved).”
Surveys can be crocked to say whatever the surveyor wishes it to. In this case, the upper brass gave out a survey whose results were meant to be interpreted only one way. Otherwise Gates would not have been so intent on carrying out the will of his master 0bama.
“I just don’t think that just because someone is gay, they can’t be the best damn soldier in the world. They can be proud Americans, and they can (and do) fight for my freedoms, just as the straight soldiers do now.”
Let us just say that it makes it far less likely, being as they are mentally ill narcissists. As far as their being proud Americans- bah humbug. The very fact of being gay pretty much separates them from the concept of natural law, which assumes that there is a Creator, and that His universe is governed by natural laws- one of which is that He created us male and female.
“As I said, homosexuality is a sin, but let’s let God sort it out!”
God also tells us not to condone these things. We are commanded to call this evil what it is and speak the truth.
Do not include me in your "let's let God sort it out!" cr*p.
Comparing divorce and adultery with homosexual sex is called moral relative reasoning -adultery is and will still be illegal in the military after this homosexual sex is okay law if it passes -where is your morally spineless outrage since according to your reasoning it is not fair that some sins are treated differently.
Our law should reflect the highest standards NOT the least common denominator. Our laws to be legitimate should reflect and uphold our morality and the natural law -the law of God. A nation under God founded upon the principles of natural law and unalienable rights endowed by the Creator DOES NOT spit in the face of God by calling homosexual sex good and normal. An individual and for that matter a nation does not believe in God and defy Him.
Make no mistake --this is all about legalizing homosexual sex in the military and as well it is about placing those who have no moral compass nor respect for God in charge of defending that which they consider irrelevant...
Sodom and Gomorrah ring a bell?
You can support evil by yourself.
There have been gay service members since there was military. This is apolitical move to give them special status then ask for special treatment then yell discrimination when they don't get their way. It will lead to trouble within the ranks, believe me.
As I said, homosexuality is a sin, but let's let God sort it out! Let's let the brave men and women that want to serve our country, serve.
I am afraid you are confusing homosexuals and homosexual activists. DADT already permits homosexuals and lesbians to serve, as long as they keep quiet about it and do whatever they do off base and out of sight of their fellow troops.
Homosexual activists insist on the right to do what they want when and where they want, and also insist that anyone who objects must be punished for committing a hate crime.
Good discipline simply will not allow that sort of behavior. What, are we going to have sergeants afraid to speak frankly to their troops? Officers afraid to discipline their men for fear of being dishonorably discharged? Because that is what this is leading to.
Well, what can I say. The Lord is working here not in just the afterlife. This policy will doom many to death and this country will not prosper following other gods (politically correct gods). If it is sin as you believe, then a policy of sin, gets the wages of sin (death).
If you look at the text of the actual bill; there not much to it. You just get one sentence saying that the particular law from 1993 is no longer valid. What does that mean, that the military will then be able to set its own commonsense policies about homosexuality? No, I don’t think they’ll let that happen. Instead you’ll have gays running around base, engaging in behavior that would land any straight soldier in hot water, with the leadership’s hands tied because homosexuality will have become a protected status. I say that, because this is what happens. Go to any pride parade or gay bar in the country; such public indecency wouldn’t be tolerated from any other group - but free passes are generously handed out based on an individual’s claim to this one particular form of perversion.
“I am going to say something that I am sure will get me flamed....I also won’t be on FR for most of the day, so others will call it a hit and run.....but....
I think most here are really overreacting to DADT. Although I, personally, think homosexuality is a sin, I think this isone sin I will let God handle in the afterlife.”
—Disagree.
Simple question for you: given the fact that many male gays have been known to engage in extremely risky sexual behavior (which is part of the reason AIDS affects them the most), and the fact that well...soldiers bleed on the battlefield, do you really believe that people won’t think twice before joining the military and wanting to serve with openly gay people?
And, they have been able to serve under DADT so the point is a straw man.
Heterosexuals in the military. They shouldn't have to undress, shower and share living quarters with someone that may have an unwanted sexual attraction to them.
Further, allowing open homosexuals in the military guarantees more sexual activity, more STDs and more sexual harassment.
BTW, God expects us to handle things on earth and ban or restrict harmful behavior. Your opinion isn't remotely Christian.
“I just don’t think that just because someone is gay, they can’t be the best damn soldier in the world. They can be proud Americans, and they can (and do) fight for my freedoms, just as the straight soldiers do now.”
Probably they can be. The question is whether they flaunt it in public. DADT is about being fabulous and homo and a soldier all at the same time and in public.
This is about creating a whole generation of homosexual role models for boys and girls and a whole generation of generals who will be radical leftists. About uniformed soldiers showing up to elementary schools for “meet a soldier” day and telling everyone about how they are homosexual.
In addition, they will be preferentially promoted because of all the whining we will hear over the next 30 years about the subject so the leaders will be top heavy with homos. That’s what happened to the American Catholic church (many seminaries were graduating mostly gays). They got power and then promoted their buds. Look at the results.
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Rest assured the survey was conducted in such a way as to guarantee the proper response, the desired response those who initiated the survey require. Then the results are pushed forward by the liberal mainstream media as bible. This tactic is used all the time, an example not related to this issue, ask anyone who voted for the stadium issue back in 1997 that live in the Cincinnati area. All kinds of bogus surveys promoting the issue came out in the run up to the vote ... within two years it was abundantly clear to voters they had made a huge mistake.
“most young people (todays soldiers) don’t view homosexuality the same way as the older people do”
This young man who doesn’t serve believes otherwise, and it would be great if we had the support of the older generation.
This is absolutely disastrous, and now we’ll see how the real vote goes. We absolutely must kill the bill.
And what will you say to the young soldier or Marine who contracts AIDS from a future battlefield blood transfusion, because the blood used to save his life came from the arm of one of the homos serving in his unit? After all, even in today's relatively low-intensity combat in Iraq and Afghanistan, safe, tested blood doesn't always reach field hospitals in sufficient quantities, or on time. So, as soldiers have always had to do, even today, they roll up their sleeves and donate blood which goes right into their wounded buddies.
According to the CDC, and to common sense, AIDS has always been, is still, and will always be a male homosexual disease. Each and every homo we allow to serve in the military weakens us that much more, for that reason alone. That doesn't even take into consideration that the presence of even a single homo weakens unit cohesion, which I have seen first hand. Our military is on the verge of being stabbed in the back, weakened, and set up for defeat on some future battlefield. Lord, please forgive us.
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
>>so I think any harassment charges could be handled in that way (if a gay soldier propositions a straight soldier).
Do you really believe that a straight soldier will be given a fair hearing if he tries to file a harrassment complaint against a gay soldier? He will probably be accused of homophobia for complaining and the harrassment charge will go against him for “attacking” the homo.
WRONG. Now the perverts are taking over our military! If a military man now says anything that can even be interpreted as not being for the pervert agenda, his military career may be over! If he even mentions that he disagrees with the lifestyle, his military career may be over in this new hyper PC culture. RINOs are just as culpable as Dems.