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Congress Overturns Ban of Gays Serving Openly, Sends Bill to Obama's Desk
Fox News ^ | Dec. 18, 2010

Posted on 12/18/2010 12:48:49 PM PST by Jess Kitting

Edited on 12/18/2010 1:10:23 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

WASHINGTON -- In a landmark vote, the Senate on Saturday ended the Clinton-era ban on gays serving openly in the military, marking a major triumph for President Obama, liberals and the gay community.

The final vote to end the Pentagon's 1993 "don't ask, don't tell" policy was 65-31, drawing support from eight Republicans.

The bill now goes to the White House for Obama's signature. He is expected to sign the bill into law next week, a senior White House aide told Fox News.


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To: Jess Kitting

Bet you guys serving in the military feel like chumps now. :)

You’re only as good as the politicians who need to be re-elected let you be.

What a slap in the face to everybody. :(


201 posted on 12/18/2010 2:09:57 PM PST by Tzimisce (It's just another day in Obamaland.)
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To: Fantasywriter; All
Thanks for the additional input. It may be just a formality, but maybe not. The DoD knows more than it’s telling about how devastating this would be for our troops. I wonder just how eager they are to initiate the destruction this change would wreak. I don’t claim any insider knowledge, but I do think there are reasons for the DoD to apply the brakes on implementation. This would be a terrible time for enlistment and re-ups to plummet, for morale to take a nosedive, and for general disruption and degradation in the ranks.

YES -I was thinking pretty similar thoughts premised upon the obvious e.g. you can not legislate morality to change what is written into the very fiber of man's being by God.

This, for what it is, will be but a hollow and temporary victory for those who are but hollow and temporary that think they can legislate against what God has created and evidenced in natural law -you cannot fool mother nature...

There is passive resistance and all that has to be done is delay UNTIL enough of the leftists are run out of Washington. What can be written by man can as well be unwritten. A Congress that controls military policy today is a Congress that controls military policy tomorrow and a Congress that will reverse this nonsense -watch and see...

202 posted on 12/18/2010 2:10:31 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: Jess Kitting

“Secession belongs to a different class of remedies. It is to be justified upon the basis that the States are Sovereign. There was a time when none denied it. I hope the time may come again, when a better comprehension of the theory of our Government, and the inalienable rights of the people of the States, will prevent any one from denying that each State is a Sovereign, and thus may reclaim the grants which it has made to any agent whomsoever.”

Jefferson Davis


203 posted on 12/18/2010 2:11:05 PM PST by Lonely Are The Brave
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To: Rodm

204 posted on 12/18/2010 2:11:11 PM PST by pogeybait
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To: Alter Kaker

Kirk - who took Burris’s place, right? Fantastic. Wasted effort putting a republican in that seat.


205 posted on 12/18/2010 2:11:30 PM PST by ElayneJ
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To: central_va
Anyone that doesn’t have a problem with men acting like barnyard animals and putting their penises into each others anuses while wearing a uniform that we all paid for should not be heard on FR.

I'd surmise that I may be among the older demographic here on Free Republic and this may come off as being an old fogey. But anyway...

I can't fathom just how upside down my country has become in my lifetime.

Years ago, a good host always made sure an ashtray was on the coffee table for guests to enjoy a nice smoke after a hearty meal. Now a smoker has about the same status as racist, perhaps the most evil thing you can call a person nowadays. Worse than a murderer is being a racist.

I well recall when words like "hel**" and "da**" were uttered very infrequently (see Clark Gable in GWTW). Now the f-word is ubiquitous but woe to anyone of my generation who might slip up with the so-called n-word. That's the unforgivable sin nowadays.

And now THIS. A homosexual military! It wasn't all that long ago (at least in my memory) when gay meant happy and carefree. Those are adjectives not applicable in any way to men committing the barnyard acts you cited. What a sick, crazy, mixed up world it's become when the depravity of homosexuality is considered the norm.

I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!


206 posted on 12/18/2010 2:12:39 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas...)
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To: jwalsh07; bigbob
Because the combat arms guys who actually do the fighting, killing and dying overwhelmingly oppose it might be a reason to be surprised.

They might be outraged, they might be saddened, but I can't imagine anyone serving today would be so clueless to the shifting political winds as to have been surprised.

For crying out loud, I knew it was a foregone conclusion the moment Obama was sworn in. The only thing I'm surprised about is that it took this long.

207 posted on 12/18/2010 2:13:02 PM PST by Drew68
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To: ViLaLuz

I won’t keep my mouth shut. What’s true is true and I won’t be forced to accept a lie.
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But then doesn’t that make it true—they’ve only transferred DADT, they didn’t repeal anything.

I have such a headache thinking about all this craziness— I forget which military big-wig said: if any serving have a problem with gays openly serving, they best find a new job. (the gist of it anyhow)

So, what good have these congress-critters done—even in their twisted ‘social justice’ minds? They’ve just switched who is to be forced to keep their mouth shut—deny their lifestyle/beliefs—if they want to serve.

It’s a bunch of convoluted madness, in my eyes.


208 posted on 12/18/2010 2:14:09 PM PST by Irenic
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To: ConjunctionJunction
They will be allowing gays with “partners” to live in family quarters. It’s in the report.

In some commands that are authorized dependent travel, the limited number of available housing units requires that individuals being assigned go on a housing list. Some families will now be denied travel to join their sponsor as a consequence of two "gay" members occupying family housing. They can't tell me that won't have an effect on morale.

209 posted on 12/18/2010 2:14:14 PM PST by Ben Hecks
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To: goldstategop
As an American, I’m a live and let live guy.

Unfortunately, the homosexual activisits do not share your opinion.

210 posted on 12/18/2010 2:14:25 PM PST by matt1234 (0bama's bunker phase: Nov. 2010 - Jan. 2013)
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To: newzjunkey; Chieftain

You repeat the TIRED “INNACURATE IN THE SUBJECTIVE “MANTRA.....

Oh, all these other countries have gays serving in the military....

1) Most of these countries do NOT have large combat missions, or a huge military.
2) countries, like Israel, Brits etc. do not have the AGGRESSIVE GAY AGENDA the US has cause of the Libs and our Left. Gays in the military in those countries do not march in Gay Pride marches, sue their military etc.

so technically ..yes, other countries have gays in the military...SUBJECTIVELY it is very very different.

Ever since Shinseki put Berets on our soldiers...well, cute aren’t they...the feminization of our military began? Pvt Manning sure is cute in his pic with the Beret as the hero of Wikileaks...Drama Queen! Oh and lets not forget Col Karpinski (uh, Abu grabe?)..the dyke writes a book, a la drama queen, about how mean everyone was to her.


211 posted on 12/18/2010 2:14:25 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Ok....Joke's over...Bring Back Bush!)
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To: traditional1

You mischaracterized my post.

I didn’t say that since heterosexuals outnumber homosexuals we set the agenda.

Although, I do think this country was founded on the idea of majority rule.

Of course, the militant homosexuals and others of their ilk don’t believe in such things.

My point was that those of us who don’t approve of this kind of trash should not just roll over, but make our voices heard. And the reality is that those who yell the loudest get what they want. Being the majority means you can yell louder if you choose to.


212 posted on 12/18/2010 2:14:34 PM PST by apronius (Good start, but not complete.)
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To: tyke
Since when did this become a "whites only" board?

I must have missed that memo...

It appears you are the one attempting the create the 'memo' from thin air...

I see no such thing...

213 posted on 12/18/2010 2:14:59 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: jessduntno

Brown, Collins, Snowe, Kirk, Murkowski, Voinovich, Burr and Ensign are now official tea party targets for removal from the public forum. This is clearly a criminal bill. No telling what payolla the Repubs extracted from the democrats for their disgusting vote.


214 posted on 12/18/2010 2:16:00 PM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: Jack Black

CWII Ping?


215 posted on 12/18/2010 2:16:08 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: re_nortex
I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!

You'll probably have to settle for only getting half back, IMO the better half.

I want my country back too.


216 posted on 12/18/2010 2:18:00 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: apronius

So when do we break out our “gear” and a teach these bastards the meaning of fear?


217 posted on 12/18/2010 2:18:58 PM PST by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !When a majority of the American)
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To: Drew68

Army, Marine Corps and Air Force opposed overturning DADT at this point in time. The warriors overwhelmingly oppose it. But you’re right, why would I be surprised when the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs tells the warriors to STFU and get out if they don’t like it.


218 posted on 12/18/2010 2:19:18 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Jess Kitting

This is how the Marxists, socialists and communists in our government intend to destroy historys greatest and most lethal military.


219 posted on 12/18/2010 2:19:19 PM PST by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: bray

Thanks! Merry Christmas


220 posted on 12/18/2010 2:19:33 PM PST by apronius (Good start, but not complete.)
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To: All

ROLL CALL - H.R.2965 — Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell Repeal Act of 2010

United States Senate - December 18, 2010
Motion agreed to by a vote of 65-31

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=2&vote=00281

*Note: for the “Measure Title” it says, “A bill to amend the Small Business Act...”. That is because the repeal of DADT was added as an amendment to this bill.


221 posted on 12/18/2010 2:19:33 PM PST by deks ("...the battle of our time is the battle of liberty against the overreach of the federal government")
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To: Jet Jaguar
Congress Overturns Ban of Gays Serving Openly Clinton Legislation Just Hours After Extending Bush Legislation
222 posted on 12/18/2010 2:21:16 PM PST by South40 (Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: goldstategop

so you have no problem with the homosexual agenda or them openly serving, is that what you really are saying?

Live and let live, get real and wake up. This is about in your face you can nothing and we can kiss, hold hands, dress as women have sex when we want and there is not a damn thing you can do . So when you say live and let live no business what they do , well it’s a crock and sounds more like you advocate the queer agenda.


223 posted on 12/18/2010 2:22:06 PM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: traditional1

“We outnumber the blacks by a large majority, and the Hispanics (so far) by a large majority...”

Who is this “We” that you identify as being out numbered by blacks and Hispanics?


224 posted on 12/18/2010 2:22:17 PM PST by trumandogz
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To: goldstategop
As long as they’re on duty they’re governed by regulations on fraternization and inappropriate conduct. That already applies to heterosexuals and it will now apply to gays as well.

That platitude sounds no noble -devoid of reality but noble -a dream for a leftist dreamer devoid of common sense.

What about having to live in close quarters e.g. shower with homosexual sex practitioners? Being forced to live in close quarters with disordered perverts is okay? This mandate is far worse than if the legislators started forcing males and females to do the same...

You are cluelessly lost...

225 posted on 12/18/2010 2:22:40 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: ConjunctionJunction

“It’s in the report”

I’m curious about which report you are referring to.


226 posted on 12/18/2010 2:23:29 PM PST by deks ("...the battle of our time is the battle of liberty against the overreach of the federal government")
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To: Little Pharma
Maybe this will stir up enough conservative outrage that it will be an issue for the GOP pres. canadidate in 2012. Repeal the repeal.

I think anyone who believes that DADT will ever be reinstated, or that homosexuals will ever again be barred from the military is dreaming.

First of all, it's an issue that only exercises right-wing conservatives. The rest of America either doesn't care, or is fine with it.

Secondly, for those voters who are not strongly opposed to gays in the military, a presidential candidate who is activity campaigning to bring back the ban will simply come over as a bigot -- especially once the attack ads begin.

Third, bringing back DADT will not be an option, since there will already be thousands of homosexuals serving openly by then (13,500 have been dismissed under DADT, so the numbers are not small), so the only option would be an outright ban, and that is a far tougher sell since you would faced with the prospect of thousands of troops being expelled at once, and the press would have a field day even at the prospect of such an eventuality.

Finally, if the US policy change follows the same pattern as those in other countries (including the UK, which changed around 10 years ago), then there probably won't be major disruption when the new policy is enacted, and by 2012 it will have ceased to be a issue that can drive people to the polls, especially if the economy is still in the toilet (which will probably limit the number of resignations on principle too).

Add to that the simple fact that getting a supermajority in the Senate in 2012 is highly unlikely, an the Dems are never going to do a deal that includes reinstating the ban.

Thus, in reality, it's going to be 2014 before any chance of new legislation on this issue could be passed into law, and by that time, I strongly suspect that it will no longer be a political issue Republican candidates are willing to go to bat for, even if they were endorsed by the Tea Party.

On issues like this it's far harder to play offense than defense, because your opponent can make you look like an ass for "victimizing" thousands of servicemen and women.

Thus I just don't see any way this change is ever going to be reversed -- not even if Republicans have large majorities in Congress and have the Presidency. For better or for worse, the new policy is here to stay.

227 posted on 12/18/2010 2:23:29 PM PST by tyke
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To: jwalsh07

Conservatives support a fig leaf rather than principle. That’s how they’ve been losing ground on this issue for the last 15 years. No one wants to admit we need to restore the pre-1993 policy.

As I said, either ban it or move on. You guys are fighting the last war when what we really need is a victory!


228 posted on 12/18/2010 2:24:01 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: lonevoice

“A very sad day for our nation, and for our brave troops fighting two wars. We will not forget!

Republican Senators who voted to repeal DADT

Scott Brown (R-Mass)
Susan Collins (R-Alaska)
Mark Kirk (R-Ill.)
Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska)
Olympia Snowe (R-Maine)
George Voinovich (R-Ohio)
Richard Burr (N.C.)
John Ensign (Nev.)

Republican Congressmen who voted to repeal DADT

Judy Biggert (R-IL)
Mary Bono Mack (R-CA)
John Campbell (R-CA)
Joseph Cao (R-LA)
Mike Castle (R-DE)
Lincoln Diaz-Balart (R-FL)
Charles Djou (R-HI)
David Dreier (R-CA)
Vernon Ehlers (R-MI)
Jeff Flake (R-AZ)
Ron Paul (R-TX)
Todd Platts (R-PA)
Dave Reichert (R-WA)
Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL)”

It is shocking that the best this 111th Lame Duck Congress can give America is Obama Care during a Depression and Gay Military during war in Afghanistan.

Every single one of these criminal minds need to be out of the government.


229 posted on 12/18/2010 2:24:01 PM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: EGPWS

Now there is a face that a little piece of leaded jewelry would work wonders for!


230 posted on 12/18/2010 2:24:41 PM PST by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !When a majority of the American)
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To: FlyingEagle

Interesting list. Thank you for compiling that.


231 posted on 12/18/2010 2:25:18 PM PST by Walts Ice Pick
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To: DBeers

Agreed. And to build on what you said, consider this. Obama’s approval numbers seem to hit a new low once or twice a week these days. Last I heard congress’ approval was all of 13 percent. So it’s not like the DoD is quaking in its boots over a massive backlash. The Tea Party is stronger right now than Obama or the Dems. Added to which, if the higher ups destroy the rank and file troops, they lose big time on many levels.

So yes, there are many reasons for the DoD to delay implementation. Let us pray they drag their feet until DeMint & co. figure out how to reverse this abomination and get us back on the right track.


232 posted on 12/18/2010 2:26:13 PM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: bigbob

no you have it wrong and you have been listening to the media too much,
I had a survey and it never asked if don’t ask should be repealed nor did most return their surveys due to them not wanting to go on record and be targeted.
Also most of the survey was done by families of soldiers and marines who will not be hurt by this.

Also if a survey was given and it looked to have been answered with middle of the road answer then it was put into a pile of we don’t mind.

The whole survey was skewed and corrupt along with the media who did their report on it BTW not one marine or soldier I know serving wants this repealed.

Yes I did serve and talked to a pal over in Kabul today who said he and others were not going to leave as soon as they can along with my sons who were heading for the Marines who are now not joining.


233 posted on 12/18/2010 2:27:29 PM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: bigbob

If you support the homosexual agenda you are anti-constitution and you’ll get the zot from FR!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2644629/posts

Three or four already today and the day is young.


234 posted on 12/18/2010 2:29:28 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: Walts Ice Pick

Thank lonevoice


235 posted on 12/18/2010 2:30:20 PM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: TCH

At this point, I think our gear is the internet, our brains, our voices and our vote.

We have to start thinking outside of the usual box. Which box is that?

The one where:

When we vote Republican, we’re really voting commie (dem) lite.

When we get a tax break passed, it’s temporary, but when the commies get Obamacare or a queer military, it’s permanent.

When we kick the commie as* in an election, we sit back and quit paying attention while our Republican ‘representatives’ join hands with the dims in screwing us.

When sh*t like today happens, we just sit back and cry.

I hate the bastards, but i gotta give lefties credit: despite the fact that they’re outnumbered and most Americans hate what they stand for, the deviants have gotten A LOT of what they want. How? Well, they always have a plan, and they think strategically as well as tactically.

We don’t do that enough. Conservatives are very good at identifying problems, but not very good at coming up with solutions.

And these guys fight dirty. Our side is always trying to be gentlemanly and civil. And that’s why we keep getting the crap kicked out of us.

I can tell that most of the guys around here are rough and ready types. They’ve been in fights. And they know, like I had to learn the hard way, that if you knock a guy you’re fighting down, you keep him down. You don’t let him up. But our side does that all the time. Recent example: the so-called tax compromise.

I’ll stop with this. Right now, I’m working on a secret project that I think can help with this stuff.


236 posted on 12/18/2010 2:31:07 PM PST by apronius (Good start, but not complete.)
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To: bray
Can the new congress offer a new bill to make it illegal to be a homosexual in the military?

Technically, yes. Realistically, no. Anyway, liberal courts would strike the law down as "unconstitutional" after the sodomites get their foot in the door.

237 posted on 12/18/2010 2:31:21 PM PST by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: icwhatudo

I’d like to stuff that pole with cordite, shove it far up BOZO’s backside, and set it off.


238 posted on 12/18/2010 2:31:22 PM PST by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !When a majority of the American)
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To: manc

were going to leave I should have wrote not as I wrote were not going to leave.
That is 7 today who will not be Marines next year.


239 posted on 12/18/2010 2:32:37 PM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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Images -- Gay Parade

Via Google search.

WARNING: FOR ADULTS ONLY

240 posted on 12/18/2010 2:33:19 PM PST by Innovative (Weakness is provocative.)
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To: matt1234

As an American, I’m a live and let live guy.

Unfortunately, the homosexual activisits do not share your opinion.
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Hear, hear...

In the end— I think the homosexuals will be their own worst enemy.


241 posted on 12/18/2010 2:33:37 PM PST by Irenic
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To: re_nortex
Years ago, a good host always made sure an ashtray was on the coffee table for guests to enjoy a nice smoke after a hearty meal. Now a smoker has about the same status as racist, perhaps the most evil thing you can call a person nowadays.

LOL. I don't believe I have ever called a smoker evil, but I for one, as a non-smoker, am very happy that I can go out to a nice restaurant, bar, or pool hall, without coming home with my eye's watering and my clothes stinking of smoke.

It was even worse going out for a meal back in the UK when I still lived there because most restaurants and bars are far too small to have non-smoking sections, and the tables are practically on top of each other, and I never ceased to be amazed at the number of smokers who would light up from the very start of their meal -- usually the ones who were sitting next to me!

242 posted on 12/18/2010 2:35:15 PM PST by tyke
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To: Jess Kitting

There’s going to be a lot of dead faggots around, when they start coming out.


243 posted on 12/18/2010 2:36:08 PM PST by cgchief
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To: jessduntno
Soon to be “Former” Sen. Scott Brown (R-Mass). He will be a one termer with only three years in office. He must stand for reelection in two years. He has fully declared himself as a RIMO of the first order. I would suggest that he will lose at least 25% of his base with this vote and his other positions. Massachusetts has never been allowed to vote on the gay marriage issue. The Judges (5 to 4) rammed it down the people throats and the lib legislators, which Brown was part of, refused to allow it to be put on a state wide referendum ballot. Bye Bye Brownee in 2012.
244 posted on 12/18/2010 2:36:31 PM PST by NewEnglander
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To: Racehorse

No. There’s no such thing as unnatural carnal copulation anymore.


245 posted on 12/18/2010 2:37:22 PM PST by ratsreek
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To: pillut48

Does a bear shit in the woods?


246 posted on 12/18/2010 2:38:30 PM PST by sport
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To: Jet Jaguar

Well, if that happens, then I can see them going back. My point was that now we’ll see what happens. I see one of two paths. Either we get a year or two in and people say “well, this really hasn’t changed anything, why was this such a big deal?” or “I told you, look at all these thing that have happened” and we’ll go back to how it is now.

I mean back in the 70s Reagan and others were saying that giving back the Panama Canal would be the end of the world. It wasn’t. I’m not saying we’d beeter off without treaty, but all the doom and gloom predicted never really materialized.


247 posted on 12/18/2010 2:38:36 PM PST by jeltz25
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To: who knows what evil?

Now we know that ”fundamental transformation of America” means that he hates EVERYTHING about the US and he wants to destroy in in order to rebuild it into a socialist utopia like Cuba.


248 posted on 12/18/2010 2:38:58 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: EGPWS

The Darling of Alaska.


249 posted on 12/18/2010 2:41:21 PM PST by sport
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To: goldstategop

The principle is that open homosexuality in the ranks is not conducive to good discipline and order. The result is unneccesary casualties among the fighters. If one believes that principle to be true then certainly it is their duty to oppose that which causes an increase in casualties, no?


250 posted on 12/18/2010 2:42:19 PM PST by jwalsh07
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