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Posted on 12/18/2010 12:48:49 PM PST by Jess KittingEdited on 12/18/2010 1:10:23 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
WASHINGTON -- In a landmark vote, the Senate on Saturday ended the Clinton-era ban on gays serving openly in the military, marking a major triumph for President Obama, liberals and the gay community.
The final vote to end the Pentagon's 1993 "don't ask, don't tell" policy was 65-31, drawing support from eight Republicans.
The bill now goes to the White House for Obama's signature. He is expected to sign the bill into law next week, a senior White House aide told Fox News.
Bet you guys serving in the military feel like chumps now. :)
You’re only as good as the politicians who need to be re-elected let you be.
What a slap in the face to everybody. :(
YES -I was thinking pretty similar thoughts premised upon the obvious e.g. you can not legislate morality to change what is written into the very fiber of man's being by God.
This, for what it is, will be but a hollow and temporary victory for those who are but hollow and temporary that think they can legislate against what God has created and evidenced in natural law -you cannot fool mother nature...
There is passive resistance and all that has to be done is delay UNTIL enough of the leftists are run out of Washington. What can be written by man can as well be unwritten. A Congress that controls military policy today is a Congress that controls military policy tomorrow and a Congress that will reverse this nonsense -watch and see...
“Secession belongs to a different class of remedies. It is to be justified upon the basis that the States are Sovereign. There was a time when none denied it. I hope the time may come again, when a better comprehension of the theory of our Government, and the inalienable rights of the people of the States, will prevent any one from denying that each State is a Sovereign, and thus may reclaim the grants which it has made to any agent whomsoever.”
Kirk - who took Burris’s place, right? Fantastic. Wasted effort putting a republican in that seat.
I'd surmise that I may be among the older demographic here on Free Republic and this may come off as being an old fogey. But anyway...
I can't fathom just how upside down my country has become in my lifetime.
Years ago, a good host always made sure an ashtray was on the coffee table for guests to enjoy a nice smoke after a hearty meal. Now a smoker has about the same status as racist, perhaps the most evil thing you can call a person nowadays. Worse than a murderer is being a racist.
I well recall when words like "hel**" and "da**" were uttered very infrequently (see Clark Gable in GWTW). Now the f-word is ubiquitous but woe to anyone of my generation who might slip up with the so-called n-word. That's the unforgivable sin nowadays.
And now THIS. A homosexual military! It wasn't all that long ago (at least in my memory) when gay meant happy and carefree. Those are adjectives not applicable in any way to men committing the barnyard acts you cited. What a sick, crazy, mixed up world it's become when the depravity of homosexuality is considered the norm.
They might be outraged, they might be saddened, but I can't imagine anyone serving today would be so clueless to the shifting political winds as to have been surprised.
For crying out loud, I knew it was a foregone conclusion the moment Obama was sworn in. The only thing I'm surprised about is that it took this long.
I wont keep my mouth shut. Whats true is true and I wont be forced to accept a lie.
But then doesn’t that make it true—they’ve only transferred DADT, they didn’t repeal anything.
I have such a headache thinking about all this craziness— I forget which military big-wig said: if any serving have a problem with gays openly serving, they best find a new job. (the gist of it anyhow)
So, what good have these congress-critters done—even in their twisted ‘social justice’ minds? They’ve just switched who is to be forced to keep their mouth shut—deny their lifestyle/beliefs—if they want to serve.
It’s a bunch of convoluted madness, in my eyes.
In some commands that are authorized dependent travel, the limited number of available housing units requires that individuals being assigned go on a housing list. Some families will now be denied travel to join their sponsor as a consequence of two "gay" members occupying family housing. They can't tell me that won't have an effect on morale.
Unfortunately, the homosexual activisits do not share your opinion.
You repeat the TIRED “INNACURATE IN THE SUBJECTIVE “MANTRA.....
Oh, all these other countries have gays serving in the military....
1) Most of these countries do NOT have large combat missions, or a huge military.
2) countries, like Israel, Brits etc. do not have the AGGRESSIVE GAY AGENDA the US has cause of the Libs and our Left. Gays in the military in those countries do not march in Gay Pride marches, sue their military etc.
so technically ..yes, other countries have gays in the military...SUBJECTIVELY it is very very different.
Ever since Shinseki put Berets on our soldiers...well, cute aren’t they...the feminization of our military began? Pvt Manning sure is cute in his pic with the Beret as the hero of Wikileaks...Drama Queen! Oh and lets not forget Col Karpinski (uh, Abu grabe?)..the dyke writes a book, a la drama queen, about how mean everyone was to her.
You mischaracterized my post.
I didn’t say that since heterosexuals outnumber homosexuals we set the agenda.
Although, I do think this country was founded on the idea of majority rule.
Of course, the militant homosexuals and others of their ilk don’t believe in such things.
My point was that those of us who don’t approve of this kind of trash should not just roll over, but make our voices heard. And the reality is that those who yell the loudest get what they want. Being the majority means you can yell louder if you choose to.
I must have missed that memo...
It appears you are the one attempting the create the 'memo' from thin air...
I see no such thing...
Brown, Collins, Snowe, Kirk, Murkowski, Voinovich, Burr and Ensign are now official tea party targets for removal from the public forum. This is clearly a criminal bill. No telling what payolla the Repubs extracted from the democrats for their disgusting vote.
You'll probably have to settle for only getting half back, IMO the better half.
I want my country back too.
So when do we break out our “gear” and a teach these bastards the meaning of fear?
Army, Marine Corps and Air Force opposed overturning DADT at this point in time. The warriors overwhelmingly oppose it. But you’re right, why would I be surprised when the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs tells the warriors to STFU and get out if they don’t like it.
This is how the Marxists, socialists and communists in our government intend to destroy historys greatest and most lethal military.
Thanks! Merry Christmas
ROLL CALL - H.R.2965 — Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell Repeal Act of 2010
United States Senate - December 18, 2010
Motion agreed to by a vote of 65-31
*Note: for the “Measure Title” it says, A bill to amend the Small Business Act.... That is because the repeal of DADT was added as an amendment to this bill.
so you have no problem with the homosexual agenda or them openly serving, is that what you really are saying?
Live and let live, get real and wake up. This is about in your face you can nothing and we can kiss, hold hands, dress as women have sex when we want and there is not a damn thing you can do . So when you say live and let live no business what they do , well it’s a crock and sounds more like you advocate the queer agenda.
“We outnumber the blacks by a large majority, and the Hispanics (so far) by a large majority...”
Who is this “We” that you identify as being out numbered by blacks and Hispanics?
That platitude sounds no noble -devoid of reality but noble -a dream for a leftist dreamer devoid of common sense.
What about having to live in close quarters e.g. shower with homosexual sex practitioners? Being forced to live in close quarters with disordered perverts is okay? This mandate is far worse than if the legislators started forcing males and females to do the same...
You are cluelessly lost...
“It’s in the report”
I’m curious about which report you are referring to.
I think anyone who believes that DADT will ever be reinstated, or that homosexuals will ever again be barred from the military is dreaming.
First of all, it's an issue that only exercises right-wing conservatives. The rest of America either doesn't care, or is fine with it.
Secondly, for those voters who are not strongly opposed to gays in the military, a presidential candidate who is activity campaigning to bring back the ban will simply come over as a bigot -- especially once the attack ads begin.
Third, bringing back DADT will not be an option, since there will already be thousands of homosexuals serving openly by then (13,500 have been dismissed under DADT, so the numbers are not small), so the only option would be an outright ban, and that is a far tougher sell since you would faced with the prospect of thousands of troops being expelled at once, and the press would have a field day even at the prospect of such an eventuality.
Finally, if the US policy change follows the same pattern as those in other countries (including the UK, which changed around 10 years ago), then there probably won't be major disruption when the new policy is enacted, and by 2012 it will have ceased to be a issue that can drive people to the polls, especially if the economy is still in the toilet (which will probably limit the number of resignations on principle too).
Add to that the simple fact that getting a supermajority in the Senate in 2012 is highly unlikely, an the Dems are never going to do a deal that includes reinstating the ban.
Thus, in reality, it's going to be 2014 before any chance of new legislation on this issue could be passed into law, and by that time, I strongly suspect that it will no longer be a political issue Republican candidates are willing to go to bat for, even if they were endorsed by the Tea Party.
On issues like this it's far harder to play offense than defense, because your opponent can make you look like an ass for "victimizing" thousands of servicemen and women.
Thus I just don't see any way this change is ever going to be reversed -- not even if Republicans have large majorities in Congress and have the Presidency. For better or for worse, the new policy is here to stay.
Conservatives support a fig leaf rather than principle. That’s how they’ve been losing ground on this issue for the last 15 years. No one wants to admit we need to restore the pre-1993 policy.
As I said, either ban it or move on. You guys are fighting the last war when what we really need is a victory!
“A very sad day for our nation, and for our brave troops fighting two wars. We will not forget!
Republican Senators who voted to repeal DADT
Scott Brown (R-Mass)
Susan Collins (R-Alaska)
Mark Kirk (R-Ill.)
Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska)
Olympia Snowe (R-Maine)
George Voinovich (R-Ohio)
Richard Burr (N.C.)
John Ensign (Nev.)
Republican Congressmen who voted to repeal DADT
Judy Biggert (R-IL)
Mary Bono Mack (R-CA)
John Campbell (R-CA)
Joseph Cao (R-LA)
Mike Castle (R-DE)
Lincoln Diaz-Balart (R-FL)
Charles Djou (R-HI)
David Dreier (R-CA)
Vernon Ehlers (R-MI)
Jeff Flake (R-AZ)
Ron Paul (R-TX)
Todd Platts (R-PA)
Dave Reichert (R-WA)
Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL)”
It is shocking that the best this 111th Lame Duck Congress can give America is Obama Care during a Depression and Gay Military during war in Afghanistan.
Every single one of these criminal minds need to be out of the government.
Now there is a face that a little piece of leaded jewelry would work wonders for!
Interesting list. Thank you for compiling that.
Agreed. And to build on what you said, consider this. Obama’s approval numbers seem to hit a new low once or twice a week these days. Last I heard congress’ approval was all of 13 percent. So it’s not like the DoD is quaking in its boots over a massive backlash. The Tea Party is stronger right now than Obama or the Dems. Added to which, if the higher ups destroy the rank and file troops, they lose big time on many levels.
So yes, there are many reasons for the DoD to delay implementation. Let us pray they drag their feet until DeMint & co. figure out how to reverse this abomination and get us back on the right track.
no you have it wrong and you have been listening to the media too much,
I had a survey and it never asked if don’t ask should be repealed nor did most return their surveys due to them not wanting to go on record and be targeted.
Also most of the survey was done by families of soldiers and marines who will not be hurt by this.
Also if a survey was given and it looked to have been answered with middle of the road answer then it was put into a pile of we don’t mind.
The whole survey was skewed and corrupt along with the media who did their report on it BTW not one marine or soldier I know serving wants this repealed.
Yes I did serve and talked to a pal over in Kabul today who said he and others were not going to leave as soon as they can along with my sons who were heading for the Marines who are now not joining.
If you support the homosexual agenda you are anti-constitution and you’ll get the zot from FR!
Three or four already today and the day is young.
At this point, I think our gear is the internet, our brains, our voices and our vote.
We have to start thinking outside of the usual box. Which box is that?
The one where:
When we vote Republican, we’re really voting commie (dem) lite.
When we get a tax break passed, it’s temporary, but when the commies get Obamacare or a queer military, it’s permanent.
When we kick the commie as* in an election, we sit back and quit paying attention while our Republican ‘representatives’ join hands with the dims in screwing us.
When sh*t like today happens, we just sit back and cry.
I hate the bastards, but i gotta give lefties credit: despite the fact that they’re outnumbered and most Americans hate what they stand for, the deviants have gotten A LOT of what they want. How? Well, they always have a plan, and they think strategically as well as tactically.
We don’t do that enough. Conservatives are very good at identifying problems, but not very good at coming up with solutions.
And these guys fight dirty. Our side is always trying to be gentlemanly and civil. And that’s why we keep getting the crap kicked out of us.
I can tell that most of the guys around here are rough and ready types. They’ve been in fights. And they know, like I had to learn the hard way, that if you knock a guy you’re fighting down, you keep him down. You don’t let him up. But our side does that all the time. Recent example: the so-called tax compromise.
I’ll stop with this. Right now, I’m working on a secret project that I think can help with this stuff.
Technically, yes. Realistically, no. Anyway, liberal courts would strike the law down as "unconstitutional" after the sodomites get their foot in the door.
I’d like to stuff that pole with cordite, shove it far up BOZO’s backside, and set it off.
were going to leave I should have wrote not as I wrote were not going to leave.
That is 7 today who will not be Marines next year.
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As an American, Im a live and let live guy.
Unfortunately, the homosexual activisits do not share your opinion.
In the end— I think the homosexuals will be their own worst enemy.
LOL. I don't believe I have ever called a smoker evil, but I for one, as a non-smoker, am very happy that I can go out to a nice restaurant, bar, or pool hall, without coming home with my eye's watering and my clothes stinking of smoke.
It was even worse going out for a meal back in the UK when I still lived there because most restaurants and bars are far too small to have non-smoking sections, and the tables are practically on top of each other, and I never ceased to be amazed at the number of smokers who would light up from the very start of their meal -- usually the ones who were sitting next to me!
There’s going to be a lot of dead faggots around, when they start coming out.
No. There’s no such thing as unnatural carnal copulation anymore.
Does a bear shit in the woods?
Well, if that happens, then I can see them going back. My point was that now we’ll see what happens. I see one of two paths. Either we get a year or two in and people say “well, this really hasn’t changed anything, why was this such a big deal?” or “I told you, look at all these thing that have happened” and we’ll go back to how it is now.
I mean back in the 70s Reagan and others were saying that giving back the Panama Canal would be the end of the world. It wasn’t. I’m not saying we’d beeter off without treaty, but all the doom and gloom predicted never really materialized.
Now we know that fundamental transformation of America means that he hates EVERYTHING about the US and he wants to destroy in in order to rebuild it into a socialist utopia like Cuba.
The Darling of Alaska.
The principle is that open homosexuality in the ranks is not conducive to good discipline and order. The result is unneccesary casualties among the fighters. If one believes that principle to be true then certainly it is their duty to oppose that which causes an increase in casualties, no?