There'll Be No Christmaas Miracle at Notre Dame

Coach is Right ^ | 12/24/10 | Kevin "Coach' Collins

[brucek43]

Over the years governors have given Christmastime pardons to people who have been convicted of some of the most serious crimes on the books. In Wisconsin for example, within the past twenty years at least two murderers were pardoned by the State’s governors. Civil pardons for this kind of offenses happen every year. Acting in a strictly civil capacity, governors have shown the type of mercy and compassion to those who have committed these crimes and set them on their way back to their new life. While such mercy and compassion is also the professed position of the Catholic Church toward those who have even committed murder in violation of God’s laws, apparently there is no such forgiveness for those who have committed the grave sin of praying the Rosary on the grounds of Notre Dame University.

Known as the Notre Dame 88 (ND88), the facts of this “Praying the Rosary Without Permission” (PRWP) case … Continue Reading:There’ll be no Christmas miracle at Notre Dame; the persecution of the ND88 continues

[brucek43]

Notre Dame, Christmas

[Godwin1]

This ain’t your father’s Notre Dame. Like many other formerly Catholic colleges, Notre Dame , led by a president who has both lost and rejected the Faith, and under a Board whose god is money, maintains the outward symbols but not the substance of Catholicism. The students there are being taught the twin doctrines of moral relativism and worldly success. Faux Catholic colleges like Notre Dame are a much greater danger to your student’s faith than State colleges. At many of the latter there are active, well organized Newman clubs, where students can find comfort from the relentless secularism of the modern campus. The faux Catholic colleges offer no such refuges. Believing Catholic parents should avoid Notre Dame like the plague.

[bwc2221]

I agree. I graduated from two Catholic Universities (Detroit and Dayton). My daughter is a senior at a pretty traditional Catholic high school. We have not even considered a Catholic college because 95%+ are controlled by secular progressives.

There have been threads about Catholic colleges with gay and lesbian clubs and studies, instructors and administrators who are pro-abortion, etc.

Why pay 2-3 times the cost of a state university when the emphasis on religion and m morality is no different?

[Yet_Again]

As an alum, I have to agree. If parents are looking for a truly Catholic college, they’d be better off looking at a place like Ave Maria than ND. ND is sort of like the Pharisees of the Bible these days - all the rules, none of the faith.

[Dedbone]

Villanova same, same. (Class of ‘69)

[Marathoner]

Sadly you can say the same thing about most Protestant colleges (Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, etc), as well as my alma mater (TCU).

[Rocky]

Most universities which were founded by religious people, whether Catholic or Protestant, have drifted far from the faith of their founders. I am not a Catholic, but I am sad to see this happening to Notre Dame.

[pbear8]

Consider the authentic Catholic schools like Thomas Aquinas, Wyoming, Ave Maria, etc, they do exist and they are excellent.

[windsorknot]

Notre Shame.

[sitetest]

Dear bwc2221,

Although it is still struggling to fully regain its Catholicity, I can recommend the Catholic University of America in Washington, DC as a Catholic college.

It's far from perfect, but the most recent past president did excellent work in restoring the school to Catholic faith. It is nowhere near as bad as when I graduated (1981), and even at that time, CUA wasn't as bad as its crosstown peer, Georgetown University.

I know folks who teach at CUA and who go to school there, and, if the school otherwise meets the needs of a Catholic student, it's a decent Catholic school, as well.

sitetest

[mlizzy]

The faux Catholic colleges offer no such refuges.

I'd have to disagree with this a little bit. While our daughter was refused entry to Notre Dame (she's now a sophomore at UIllinois) possibly, in part, because of the types of articles her father (an alum) writes in the school's regard, there still *is* something more special at the University of Notre Dame over UIllinois (which has a wonderful Newman Center) for instance. The daily Masses in the dorms, the daily Masses at Sacred Heart Basilica, the "smells and bells" Masses at SHB on Sundays, the Grotto ("Upon These Rocks: Faith and the Notre Dame Grotto") is breathtakingly beautiful and Mary IS there, not to mention atop the Golden Dome.

That being said, I suppose I agree with you, that people might want to avoid Notre Dame for now, but make sure they let the higher-ups know exactly why they are doing so. The school must get back to its original Catholic character to aid the Church, the faith, and the students. It's a beautiful Catholic (in some very important ways) college; no one who has walked upon their campus viewing the plethora of gorgeous statues, attending a Mass and receiving Our Jesus, or praying at the Grotto, could say otherwise. However, the Board of Directors, the president, etc., and so on, need to be converted or reverted back to the faith (for ND to be considered Catholic through and through once again).

Pray, pray for ol' Notre Dame.

[sitetest]

Dear Godwin1,

From the reports that I hear (I know folks who are Notre Dame alumni still involved with the school, folks who are currently students at the school, folks who are friends and colleagues of faculty, and even someone who is “bff” with the apostate president, Jenkins), Notre Dame is a mixed bag.

The administration comprises a mix of actual Catholics, Catholic apostates and actual pagans. Jenkins is said to be personally orthodox and Catholic but controlled by apostates and pagans. One of his staunchest defenders that I know says that he is entirely spineless, completely manipulable, without any will of his own. Remember, that's one of his friends.

The two core departments of this Catholic university, theology and philosophy, are clearly in a war to determine whether Catholics or apostates will shape the core curriculum and philosophy of the university. I'm told that the Catholics are currently winning in the department of philosophy, and are gaining on the still-dominant coalition of apostates and pagans in theology.

Student life is also a mixed bag. Student life enjoys a veneer of Catholicism, but the student body is mostly secular and pagan for 167 out 168 hours of the week. Nonetheless, although it is not the dominant student culture, there is a thriving Catholic student community, much like those that revolve around Newman centers at non-Catholic universities. Sadly, the actual Catholic students are in the minority, even if most students are nominally Catholic.

Notre Dame, as it stands, is a disgrace to its name and its heritage. But it is a Catholic institution worth fighting for. We should not readily cede it to Satan.

My older son is, by my insistence, still considering Notre Dame. It is still a school with a very good academic reputation, and its Catholicity may yet be salvaged.

sitetest

[ladyjane]

All the elderly Irish ladies who used to say the rosaries while listening to the Notre Dame football games have either died or given up.

[sitetest]

Dear ladyjane,

All the elderly Irish ladies who used to say the rosaries while listening to the Notre Dame football games have either died or given up."

Judging by the results posted in recent years by the Notre Dame football team, you could well be right, LOL.

However, my own view is that folks within the Notre Dame community are pretty warped in how they regard the school and its athletic programs. Downright sick.

It would be a move toward reclaiming the school's lost Catholicity to downgrade from Division I athletics to maybe Division III, or even dropping intercollegiate sports altogether. At the present time, sports, especially football, seems to be the dominant religion and the primary cultural binder of the Notre Dame community.

Maybe that's why God let all those elderly Irish ladies you mention die off without replacing them with a robust number of slightly less elderly Irish ladies.

sitetest

[Arthur McGowan]

http://tinyurl.com/southbendscandal

Please make this 21-second video go viral!

[thesharkboy]

I would like to recommend Franciscan University of Steubenville—a very conservative Catholic institution with a pretty good reputation. Because I grew up close to there, I’ve known many graduates, and each has received a top-notch education.

[jmaroneps37]

Here's a sad story on my Alma mater St. John's University: A friend, “I sent my son to Catholic grammar school, Catholic high school and St. John's. After four years at St. John's he came home an atheist.” It broke my heart to hear his words but I knew he spoke the truth. I taught at the Staten Island campus of SJU and knew we were MUCH different than the commies and anti Catholics who taught at the main campus.