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EPA, Texas go to war over carbon-emission rules (What can a state do if it loses in court?)
Hotair ^ | 12/26/2010 | Ed Morrisey

Posted on 12/27/2010 12:41:21 PM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: marron
If they are co-equal, then two of the three ought to be able to over-rule the third.

Yep, but there would be little need to "over-rule" if the various branches simply stuck to their job descriptions.

21 posted on 12/27/2010 1:11:39 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: TV Dinners
then watch as Texas begins to lose federal funds for various ‘projects’...

Right, well, weening yourself off these toxic dependency programs and "entitlements" is hard at first because they're designed to do just that - keep you in political babyhood depending on Big Brother Government. Just like laying off junk food or some kind of addiction, you're a lot healthier and have much more freedom after you've done it.

Maybe the greatest threat would be military, but again, people must believe freedom is worth dying for if necessary.

22 posted on 12/27/2010 1:15:19 PM PST by Jim W N
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To: Lancey Howard; SeekAndFind

Quick question “three coequal branches of government” do you believe this was the intent or where do you find it? I think your “balance of power” is a bit more accurate of a statement because the powers of each branch are defined, but not equal.

I know its a common statement “three coequal branches of government” and I have used it myself, but in reality it is not so, for it really matters on what the subject is IE are we making Law then Congress has all the power and the Judiciary can at best say its Unconstitutional and the Executive can just not enforce. So Check on the power, but not equal.


23 posted on 12/27/2010 1:16:46 PM PST by jafojeffsurf ( Return to the Constitution.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Secede.................


24 posted on 12/27/2010 1:20:02 PM PST by Red Badger (Whenever these vermin call you an 'idiot', you can be sure that you are doing to something right.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t know what’ll happen if they lose in court. I think the only thing the fed can do is withhold money that it gives to the state. I’m wondering if there is anyway to just do that? Just tell the feds to stuff it and not take any federal money. If you don’t take money from them, can they really force you to do anything other then uphold the constitution?


25 posted on 12/27/2010 1:20:17 PM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Texas should immediatly raid all the EPA offices, arrest the top officials, take them to the nearest state line covered in tar and feathers (or equivalent) and put a boot in their butts on the way out!


26 posted on 12/27/2010 1:20:17 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I visited GEN TOMMY FRANKS Military Museum in HOBART, OKLAHOMA! Well worth it!)
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To: SuperLuminal
Compromise only works when Repubies grab their ankles.
27 posted on 12/27/2010 1:21:06 PM PST by MaxMax
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To: Java4Jay

It is and bizaare as well. I researched this quite extensively at lunch time and the upshot of this is that 27 of 27 Texas refineries which supply 26% of the nation’s fuel are essentially operating without any permits whatsoever and the EPA has said that’s “O.K.” for now. What actually happened, as I understood it from several news sources, is they upended the TNRCC (Texas Resource Commision) authority to grant permits and “killed” the permits previously granted by the TNRCC. Now.....here’s the kicker.........all of these refineries will have to do the Spring Turnaround where they essentially shut the refinery down for routine maintenance and to tweak the process to turn out the “summer” gasoline blend. But.....once they’re down; can they or will they be allowed to come back on without a permit?

I dunno, but gas is $3.00 a gallon now.......we could be facing far higher prices in the Spring and Summer of 2011.


28 posted on 12/27/2010 1:21:25 PM PST by Rich21IE
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To: MsLady

I’m not up on the current count, but I do know Perry has been turning down federal money. Especially the funds with strings attached.


29 posted on 12/27/2010 1:24:50 PM PST by Tex-Con-Man
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To: jafojeffsurf

Here is a pretty decent article, replete with quotes from founders:

http://community.adn.com/adn/node/152944


30 posted on 12/27/2010 1:26:22 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Tex-Con-Man

Good for him. I wish Michigan would turn around...sheesh. We have some good people going into congress from this state. I pray to God they help turn this ship around. Michigan is a total wreck.


31 posted on 12/27/2010 1:26:28 PM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: Java4Jay

As I said last week: this would be a perfect place to start the attack on ALL the over-reaching that the Commerce Clause bullshit interpretation has caused. Bring States’ Rights to the forefront, and confront the “As Written” limitations on Federal Government power. We have DECADES of takeovers to un-do.


32 posted on 12/27/2010 1:28:01 PM PST by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: Quix; Whenifhow; houeto; null and void; Squantos; xrmusn; bronxville; Screaming_Gerbil; ...
Bring-it-you-treasonous-Yankee-pansy-scum ping.

"Enemies Domestic" ping.

Increasing volume ping list monitoring the Leftist/government axis agitprop, psyops, and instigation of violence.

FReepmail me if you want on or off The Comedian's "Enemies Domestic" ping list...


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

33 posted on 12/27/2010 1:31:23 PM PST by The Comedian (Government: Saving people from freedom since time immemorial.)
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To: SuperLuminal

That’s what I’m afraid of. He needs to be as tough as he talks.


34 posted on 12/27/2010 1:32:18 PM PST by Newton ('No arsenal is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.' -Ronald Reagan)
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To: traditional1

No better time than the present to start this.
The 2010 election turned control over most of the legislatures to conservatives.


35 posted on 12/27/2010 1:33:24 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Jim 0216

Um, actually, in Texas, we have another way of putting the last point.

“When a government has ceased to protect the lives, liberty and property of the people, from whom its legitimate powers are derived, and for the advancement of whose happiness it was instituted, and so far from being a guarantee for the enjoyment of those inestimable and inalienable rights, becomes an instrument in the hands of evil rulers for their oppression.

When the Federal Republican Constitution of their country, which they have sworn to support, no longer has a substantial existence, and the whole nature of their government has been forcibly changed, without their consent, from a restricted federative republic, composed of sovereign states, to a consolidated central military despotism, in which every interest is disregarded but that of the army and the priesthood, both the eternal enemies of civil liberty, the everready minions of power, and the usual instruments of tyrants.

When, long after the spirit of the constitution has departed, moderation is at length so far lost by those in power, that even the semblance of freedom is removed, and the forms themselves of the constitution discontinued, and so far from their petitions and remonstrances being regarded, the agents who bear them are thrown into dungeons, and mercenary armies sent forth to force a new government upon them at the point of the bayonet.

When, in consequence of such acts of malfeasance and abdication on the part of the government, anarchy prevails, and civil society is dissolved into its original elements. In such a crisis, the first law of nature, the right of self-preservation, the inherent and inalienable rights of the people to appeal to first principles, and take their political affairs into their own hands in extreme cases, enjoins it as a right towards themselves, and a sacred obligation to their posterity, to abolish such government, and create another in its stead, calculated to rescue them from impending dangers, and to secure their future welfare and happiness.

Nations, as well as individuals, are amenable for their acts to the public opinion of mankind.”

The EPA, these days, is the priesthood of Global Warming.


36 posted on 12/27/2010 1:35:00 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: SeekAndFind

We just ignore the EPA and its decrees. When the Federal Government cuts off federal funds, Texas cuts off the flow of
petroleum products from the the refineries that line the Houston Ship channel.

There are several big pipelines that run from those refineries up to the East Coast. You just turn off the flow. We find out REAL quick who needs who more.


37 posted on 12/27/2010 1:35:54 PM PST by NeverForgetBataan (To the German Commander: ..........................NUTS !)
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To: TV Dinners

Actually, some local pundit sat down and figured out that if we didn’t have to pay any Federal fees, etc., etc., we’d more than make up for any loss of Federal dollars.

Texas is already a net contributor to the Federal treasury. We pay more in than we get back.


38 posted on 12/27/2010 1:36:49 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The governing body of Texas better wake up. Could just be that the Texans will kick some as@ right at home if the governing body doesn’t tell the Feds to go to hell. Maybe the majority of Texans will clean out the liberals in their State.


39 posted on 12/27/2010 1:38:48 PM PST by Logical me
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To: NeverForgetBataan

Better idea. Wait until April, then seize all the Federal income tax money that’s been sent to Austin.

They’re desperately counting on our income taxes to keep going. :D


40 posted on 12/27/2010 1:39:30 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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