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Is there any weather pattern that would cast down on global warming?
The Daily Caller ^ | 12/28/2010 | Laura Donovan

Posted on 12/28/2010 6:20:10 PM PST by Razzz42

Dr. Patrick J. Michaels, a senior fellow in environmental studies at The Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank in Washington, D.C., told TheDC that global warming proponents wrongly try to justify numerous weather patterns as being the result of global warming.

“Global warming scientists say it will be warmer, colder, snowier, and less snowy all at the same time, which is impossible. Anyone who follows global warming knows the theory is rife with exaggeration,” Michaels said. “What’s disturbing is to see The New York Times put a really fringe idea on their editorial page. Obviously they’re panicking about people’s distrust of the political nature of global warming science. It struck me as desperation pass, knowing the people are abandoning global warming as a signature issue.”

Michaels said many global warming proponents defer to “unfalsifiable science,” which is science that cannot be tested.

“When it doesn’t snow, global warming proponents blame global warming, and when winters are cold, they blame global warming, etc. This is what you call unfalsifiable science,” Michaels said. “It’s not science because it can’t be falsified.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cold; globalwarming; warm; weather
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1 posted on 12/28/2010 6:20:14 PM PST by Razzz42
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To: Razzz42
Is there any weather pattern that would cast down on global warming?

The only calculator that seems to be the most accurate is also the one that's being completely ignored.........the sun

2 posted on 12/28/2010 6:23:21 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (There's only one cure for Obamarrhea......)
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To: Razzz42

Global Warming is like Evolution. They are both the only exemptions in science to the falsifiability rule. There is no factor or circumstance conceivable that could disprove either. Every possible situation or discovery is a proof of either or both theories. They are Absolute Truths in the Religion of Science as practiced by Liberals.


3 posted on 12/28/2010 6:27:31 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: Razzz42

Bump


4 posted on 12/28/2010 6:27:31 PM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Razzz42

We’re supposed to be up into the 40s over the next day or two here in southern Michigan. Liberals are already claiming proof of global warming but it isn’t really so unusual.

The worst ice storm I remember was on new years eve back in the early 80s.


5 posted on 12/28/2010 6:31:27 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek
My son thinks that the extreme weather on the east coast (and in Europe) is due to all the oil that is still in the Gulf of Mexico.....

Thoughts?

6 posted on 12/28/2010 6:33:40 PM PST by Jerrybob
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To: Jerrybob

There’s no reason to believe oil in the gulf would affect the weather in europe even if there was oil in the gulf.


7 posted on 12/28/2010 6:35:33 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Jerrybob

I have a cousin who blames “global warming” on Glenn Beck.


8 posted on 12/28/2010 6:36:45 PM PST by certrtwngnut
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To: Razzz42

As a general rule, religion cannot be countered with facts. The “truth” of Global Warming is a matter of faith ... no amount of evidence will make any difference.

SnakeDoc


9 posted on 12/28/2010 6:37:09 PM PST by SnakeDoctor ("They made it evident to every man [...] that human beings are many, but men are few." -- Herodotus)
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To: Razzz42
hat’s disturbing is to see The New York Times put a really fringe idea on their editorial page.

Not disturbing at all. The grey "lady" is too far gone.

10 posted on 12/28/2010 6:39:00 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Why are TSA exempt from their own searches?)
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To: Razzz42
Johnson also said global warming could be called into question if New York City were to have below freezing temperatures for the entirety of 2011.

Leave it to a progressive idiot at the Center for American Progress to level this standard for disproving global warming. It has to be below freezing in NYC for an entire year before global warming "could" even be called into question.

Just proves Michaels point even more -- it's unfalsifiable science. The libs will keep putting the benchmark for disproving global warming so high you can't disprove it.

11 posted on 12/28/2010 6:43:20 PM PST by AnglePark
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To: Jerrybob

Tell him to show maps that totally show where the oil is. Then ask him to research how much oil seeps into the gulf every year, and how much that quantity is in relation to the spill. Then ask him to research how much volume of water runs per hour in the main Atlantic current, as well as calculate the speed and thus the energy how much energy that entails, and compare that to how much oil was spilled and how much energy would be required to stop that current, and if that mass of oil, assuming it starts from a completely stationary position (even assuming it can be considered one big object (like a rock, and not already completely dissapated from microbes eating it) is both large enough in volume, and mass, to even have the smallest impact whatsoever.

If he gets his facts all straight, he will see that the oil spill would have as much impact as a styrofoam pellet in the colorado river.


12 posted on 12/28/2010 6:48:12 PM PST by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ...In the US the number is 54%)
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To: certrtwngnut

I bet your cuz lives in Madistan, Wisconsin!


13 posted on 12/28/2010 6:50:48 PM PST by TaMoDee
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To: Jerrybob

‘My son thinks that the extreme weather on the east coast (and in Europe) is due to all the oil that is still in the Gulf of Mexico.....
Thoughts?”

Change his school. He’s being brainwashed with dialectical materialsim. Next thing you’ll find you and the misses being blamed for his failures and continued lack of responsibility. Ergo, it’s always someone else’s fault.


14 posted on 12/28/2010 6:52:08 PM PST by Justa
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To: cripplecreek

Hey Crip, up here in Charlevoix it’s 25 degrees. Florida posting at 34. Good for them.


15 posted on 12/28/2010 6:56:38 PM PST by gigster
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To: Jerrybob
My son thinks that the extreme weather on the east coast (and in Europe) is due to all the oil that is still in the Gulf of Mexico.....

I remember the old lady next door back in the 50s that blamed rockets punching holes in the sky if it rained on her laundry day. (You must remember that is back when the laundry was hung on cloths lines in the back yard, not stuffed in a gas dryer.)

16 posted on 12/28/2010 6:56:59 PM PST by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: dsrtsage

This so called “extreme weather” is called winter and its been happening for a long time.


17 posted on 12/28/2010 6:57:42 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Jerrybob
My son thinks that the extreme weather on the east coast (and in Europe) is due to all the oil that is still in the Gulf of Mexico.....

Tell him to stop being ridiculous - everyone knows the weather is due to contrails...

18 posted on 12/28/2010 6:59:21 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Razzz42; enough_idiocy; meyer; Normandy; Whenifhow; TenthAmendmentChampion; Clive; scripter; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

19 posted on 12/28/2010 7:21:30 PM PST by steelyourfaith (ObamaCare Death Panels: a Final Solution to the looming Social Security crisis ?)
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To: cripplecreek
We’re supposed to be up into the 40s over the next day or two here in southern Michigan.

After being below normal temps for the past month, (we haven't been above freezing in a week or two) they are calling for temps in the low 50s with rain on New Years day here in Pittsburgh.

The problem with that? Well it is also the day the National Hockey League has their Winter Classic scheduled to be played outdoors at Heinz field. Yes, it is a big deal. Millions spent on setting it up. 65,000 + tickets sold. National TV broadcast on NBC.

Just watch the warmers blame Global Warming if the game needs to be canceled. I'd bet on it even though that type of weather in January is not all that unusual for this area.

The NHL says temps in the 50s are not a problem for the ice surface, they can handle that easily with their ice making system. But rain would be a killer. It would ruin the ice.


20 posted on 12/28/2010 7:22:25 PM PST by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: arthurus
Global Warming is like Evolution.

Nah. Ones a theory the other a scam.

21 posted on 12/28/2010 7:55:42 PM PST by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: NittanyLion
Tell him to stop being ridiculous - everyone knows the weather is due to contrails...

Thank you for pointing that out. It's irritating when people forget that chemtrails spread out and reflect sunlight, causing radiant cooling, leading to lower temperatures. Not to mention that the barium in the spray allows the creation of an electromagentic linkage with the ionosphere, so that HAARP can effect weather disturbances directly.

Good call.


22 posted on 12/28/2010 7:55:48 PM PST by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on its own.)
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To: Razzz42

The theory of AGW as currently stated is non-falsifiable.


23 posted on 12/28/2010 7:58:19 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Democrat Party is shovel ready)
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To: Razzz42
It is now called “climate chaos” but still equals globull warming.
24 posted on 12/28/2010 8:00:03 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (V for Vendetta.)
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To: Jerrybob

What caused this same condition last winter?


25 posted on 12/28/2010 8:05:04 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Democrat Party is shovel ready)
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To: Razzz42
Get a copy of the book "The Chilling Stars: A Cosmic View of Climate Change" , by Henrik Svensmark and Nigel Calder. It's probably at your local library, or available through your Regional Library System. It makes an excellent case for the the Sun, and the stars, being the major forces behind our climate on Earth. Humans are a nit in the climate system; we have absolutely NO control over it, nor can we affect it in any way.

It's not a real hard read, even for folks who are not well versed in science.

26 posted on 12/28/2010 8:33:36 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Razzz42

The only rule for the environmental whackos is that ANY weather cold or hot is due to GW/CC. That way they can NEVER be challenged. It has as much credibility as the fortune teller in a strip mall in any city.

MEMO TO: GW/CC Fruadsters

ITS OVER!!!!


27 posted on 12/28/2010 8:49:08 PM PST by Marty62 (Marty 60)
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To: Razzz42

If hell froze over they would say it was global warming.


28 posted on 12/28/2010 9:11:34 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Liberals are educated above their level of intelligence.. Thanks Sr. Angelica)
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To: arthurus

I am a scientist and it is pretty obvious you are not.


29 posted on 12/28/2010 9:44:15 PM PST by TxDas (This above all, to thine ownself be true.)
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To: Jerrybob
Thoughts?

The world needs cashiers. Just kidding. I'm sure he's got potential. But something is impairing his reasoning skills at the moment

30 posted on 12/28/2010 9:49:23 PM PST by Minn
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To: AnglePark
It has to be below freezing in NYC for an entire year before global warming "could" even be called into question.

Historically we are overdue for cooling, so we must conclude that cooling is more then likely the current trend. Using their own metrics, one could conclude that Global Cooling could only be called into question if NYC remains above about 75 F for the entire year ? Heck, I would probably give them the following. If NYC remains above freezing for an entire year, global cooling is probably not occurring.

31 posted on 12/29/2010 12:54:14 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Razzz42

No - too much cash at stake for otherwise unemployable Ph.D.s The next Ice Age will, of course, be due to so-called Global Warming.


32 posted on 12/29/2010 1:51:28 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Jerrybob
My son thinks that the extreme weather on the east coast (and in Europe) is due to all the oil that is still in the Gulf of Mexico.....

Makes me think of a cartoon I saw soon after the "new Coke" was introduced: Two guys sitting in a bar -- one is saying, "I don't care what they say . . . we never had this crazy weather until Coke changed its formula!" ;-)

33 posted on 12/29/2010 2:11:14 AM PST by maryz
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To: TxDas

I was commenting on the attitudes of the evolutionists and the warmingists. If you are one of these then you especially understand whereof I speak.


34 posted on 12/29/2010 5:31:03 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: Islander7

They are both scams as presented. I take no sides on the evo debate but the attitude that there is nothing that could disprove evolution because every conceivable set of circumstances necessarily proves Evolution goes way beyond theory to Religion and is rife in the scientific community, at least in their publications.


35 posted on 12/29/2010 5:34:29 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: arthurus

What I do is research on how to protect the brain during surgeries, like taking the heart out of one guy and replacing it with one from somebody else. Of course we perform these tricks on lesser critters first so you get to see the real time progression of evolution.

I have also been on a panel with John Glenn discussing space medicine and the mission to Mars. Most of us pointy headed types tend to accept the scientific principles of evolution.

Most of the people, like my in-laws, who don’t accept evolution as science, can not explain the function of a light bulb. However, they are absolutely sure that the explanation of what somebody said was said 3000 years ago by some guy in Hebrew that was then translated in to Latin, then Greek, then French, then Old English and then in to several modern English interpretations is absolute FACT.

Regarding Global Warming, I do not know of a single credible scientist, and I happen to know several hundred, who accepts the concept of human caused global climate change. Over 30,000 scientists signed a document calling GW hogwash. It was published in the premier USA scientific journal, “Science”. Based upon that the main stream media claimed GW “settled science”.

Most of the “climatologists” use computer models and would not know how to do a high school science project. Of the 3000 attendees at Kyoto, 2850 were economists and politicians. This is about money and power and has nothing to do with science other than using statistics for fraud.

The biggest problem in science today is fraud. It is not just climate pseudo science but every discipline. 30 years ago the Ivory Tower of Academia was actually fairly pristine. Now it is a ghetto corrupted by big money. In fact, Higher education in general is an affirmative action sham. For us older guys, watching the reputation of science being systematically destroyed is breaking our hearts and spirit.

One has to be careful what one accepts on Faith. Ambrose Bierce defined Faith as “Belief without evidence in what is told by one without knowledge of things without parallel”. This is as true for science as it is for religion.


36 posted on 12/29/2010 6:42:06 AM PST by TxDas (This above all, to thine ownself be true.)
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To: certrtwngnut
LOL! My California cousin probably blame globull warming on Glen Beck too.
37 posted on 12/29/2010 6:53:31 AM PST by Ditter
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To: TxDas

I did not say there is no science in it. I don’t know. What I said is that, whether it is a viable theory or not, its most voluble proponents insist that there is nothing at all that could disprove it. It is unfalsifiable. That is what makes it religion.


38 posted on 12/29/2010 7:13:06 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: TxDas
Most of the “climatologists” use computer models and would not know how to do a high school science project.

I am appalled by the over acceptance by some of today's "scientists" that computers are somehow all-knowing "answer machines".

What is passing today as "science" is nothing more than collecting vast quantities of temperature data, injecting proxy data where no data exists, averaging without weighting, splicing, shuffling, averaging one trend with another, etc. etc.; all with the original data obliterated.

ANYBODY can do this with Excel and call themselves "scientists". But I ask, WHERE IS THE SCIENCE? All they are doing is graphing "value added" processed and fake numbers.

Garbage In, Garbage Out. A lot of people these days do not realize that computers are nothing but tools that will give you the results you ask for.

39 posted on 12/29/2010 7:18:34 AM PST by SteamShovel (Beware the RINO-VIRUS...It will kill the TEA Party movement.)
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To: arthurus

Well, the percentage of Oxygen and Nitrogen in air is sort of “unfalsifiable”. So are most of the Laws of Physics, which is why they call then Laws.

Evolution is based on very sound scientific principle. The argument is really how far back you can take those principles. I don’t recollect in the “Origin of Species” Darwin discussing the primordial soup, amino acids, what is a life form, etc. He just noticed that on the Galápagos Islands critters seemed to develop different characteristic depending who their momma and daddy were and they did not come from mud.

It is difficult to argue with dog breeders or familial redheads regarding genetics. I think it is the time line most folks are upset about regarding evolution. A lot of my physician friends do not seem to have any conflict with God being in charge and organizing evolution. I guess it comes down to how literal or elastic your belief system is regarding the Bible.

I have a hard time explaining how a light bulb works myself so I just don’t know. I think that is the point, not only do I don’t know, I think it is unknowable. AND, even if it was knowable, I don’t have enough smarts to understand it. So what I don’t need is some Bible thumping nitwit with an 8th grade education explaining it to me - loudly. Did I mention I live in the Bible Belt?


40 posted on 12/29/2010 7:39:28 AM PST by TxDas (This above all, to thine ownself be true.)
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To: Ditter

I spoke to my California cousin for the first time in 30 or so years, & at the end of our conversation she referred to my email # (certrtwngnut) & asked in an incredulous voice - “are you really a right winger?”
Fortunately I did not hit back. I guess she believes that everyone is a crazy lefty.


41 posted on 12/29/2010 10:49:11 AM PST by certrtwngnut
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To: certrtwngnut

I am sure our CA cousins know what we are and they seem to accept us all the while looking down on us for our ignorance. There state is circling the drain and ours isn’t but that doesn’t seem to figure in.


42 posted on 12/29/2010 11:06:14 AM PST by Ditter
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To: Jack Hammer

Anything above 0 Celsius will be considered to warm.


43 posted on 12/31/2010 1:05:10 AM PST by Razzz42
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