Skip to comments.Witnesses: (Former presidential advisor)John Wheeler Appeared Disoriented (before death)
Posted on 01/05/2011 6:06:52 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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I had a severe head injury in the late 70's and I spent six weeks on IV Dilantin every four hours. Hell on your veins. An entire summer spent in ICU and then regular care. The stories of my behavior right after the accident and subsequent weeks was pretty bizare. I remember very little of it except the awful pain of dilantin pushes. It's like battery acid in your veins.
Walking around with one shoe and looking for your car is pretty good if you have a head injury. I thought I was eating ice cream and watching Annie Hall for a whole month.
Shhh, it was genetic specific.
Is this your reality source???
I have tried to explain multiple time throughout this thread that I simply received this in an e-mail this morning. That I have no knowledge of the source. I do not subscribe to any source that writes this stuff nor do I know who this SF person is. I also have explained that I do not agree in any way with the e-mail and that I posted it here just to share and show what is out there. I had no agenda. I also thought that it would be obvious to most to be a conspiracy type writing that is basically nonsense. So your answer is NO, it is not my reality source.
I guess I could expect to continue to get these questions aimed at me now all day today?
Here's my theory FWIW, based on known facts to date... Wheeler was targeted by someone - not a hit man or street thug because they would be more likely to hit & run. Possibly someone who wanted Wheeler dead because he had "the goods" on them and threatened to go public. They (or someone acting on their behalf) attacked Wheeler, stealing his briefcase and possibly trying to kill him then.
If Wheeler was knocked down during the attack, he would have had easy access to his shoe which he may have used to fend off his attacker - pretty aggressively it would seem since the garage attendant said the shoe was broken. Although the attendant said Wheeler showed no signs of physical injury, he could have suffered a concussion during the attack which can cause amnesia and confusion.
That would account for his disoriented search for the few things he remembered - his car, his hotel and Wilmington. Whoever botched the first attempt probably tracked Wheeler down later and finished him off, then dumped his body in the dumpster to escape detection.
I think he was discovered after being dumped there by a dump truck. His body was most likely in a dumpster (either voluntarily if he climbed in to escape the cold or mugged and thrown into it) Dumpster trucks just back up to them with their forks, lift them up and dump them into the truck. Those truck drivers don't even see the contents of the dumpsters until they empty their loads at the land fills.......
No problem; I’ve run into Sorcha Faal stuff elsewhere and learned what it is already.
Kind of like an ultra thousands of times concentrate of Alex Jones. And then some.
Yes, another plausible consideration given his 'implausible' state of mind/body. It must be haunting to have to keep going back; and knowing he was close to help (Security) but not close enough nor long enough./sigh
Do hope he was not killed, however by 'trash compacting' apparatus. Hope he was 'gone' - by whatever means - before that possibility.
Do wonder if they will ever get the facts straight; or if we know the difference; if they do not.
Never had a doubt as to the foul play MO but have read only a little. Most interesting the lack of detailed follow-up and 'through' the entire investigation. (Am wondering if this is end of chapter; or 'end of story'. All to ask - is there more here, that gets closer to the truth of the 'who' of this?)
If Wheeler's death a 'hit'; and so designed to look like 'pathetic happenstance'; will we ever get close to the truth of his death? (All signs, of course, point to NO.. .)
This mystery is as perplexing as it is tragic; and certainly for none more, than his family. And not so great for others, who may at least feel, so threatened and forewarned.
Or Mac from CSI?
I believe his high profile background probably inflates the prospect of murder; but if he was disoriented/asleep inside the dumpster - like some homeless drunk - it’s possible he could have been severely injured by an innocent passer-by tossing some heavy objects on his head - to include broken glass or sharp edges.
/Why or why, did these folks not imagine that at least a phone call was warranted - to Wheeler's family or police/too bad.
Let's be thankful for small favors: at least Wheeler's death - according to the MSM - is being treated as homicide.
As to the dementia aspect, the purported sightings of the victim in a confused and unkempt state suggest the possibility that he was poisoned. But that doesn't seem to go with the way his body was found coming off a trash truck at a landfill.
I’m from DC and spent 10 years in Philly. I am quite familiar with bizarre behavior in urban areas. I still would have called the police, but that’s the kind of person I am.
Now it is quite possible that 1) it would have taken the police an hour to show up. Now that I think about it, it’s probably better to call the EMTs. 2) the police would let him walk. I’d still be able to look myself in the face because I would have done what I could do.
The reason we left was the corruption in the city. I blame it on Rich Kotite however when in public.
That baffled me 14 years ago and it baffles me to this day. The former freaking Director of the CIA is found dead after going missing for nine days and the story is that he was alone, paddling a row boat one night in the middle of nowhere and he just died accidentally somehow?... And the big time "mainstream" newsrooms have no curiosity about this at all??
Whew... I didn't fall of the turnip truck yesterday.
This is one of the stinkiest, smelliest stories I ever heard of.
Now that Wheeler has been linked to “incendiary devices” planted at the house across the street from his, I think the cops are on a new trail.
If there is one thing that Philly cops know a lot about, it’s incendiary devices. They actually burned down several square blocks of the west philly section, tossing incendiary devices from a helicopter. They managed to burn a bunch of women and chil’run to death to boot.
Yep, over there by Cobbs Creek. I watched the whole thing on TV. I wonder what Ramona Africa is doing these days? And wasn’t the little boy who escaped named Birdie Africa? It’s hard to believe that happened over 25 years ago. Time flies.
Can't argue with that part.
That's not really much of a mystery- birds flock together in large numbers in winter both to move south and to keep warm; these flocks disperse to breed in spring and summer and wouldn't be affected by July 4 fireworks in any noticeable quantity. Without the flock, single or pairs of breeding birds may get just as startled but would not be in danger of ramming into other birds in midflight as they would in winter.
The particular species of birds in question are known for massive flocks numbering in the millions during wintertime, so thick they baken trees with otherwise bare branches. Given that in at least one of the locations [if not both] the birds were killed along city streets lined with trees where fireworks would be thick at that time and where the rough and cold weather would have caused the flocks to tighten up even more, birds packing together for warmth, it would be surprising not to find a number of dead or injured birds from small flocks but these species travel in huge focks and the casualties would naturally be significant.
Bald eagles up along the Mississippi often dive on flocks of snow geese that blanket the floodplains- not in the hope of catching any on the wing, but in the hope of causing those on the ground to take flight in fear and confusion. In their rush to get airborne the geese collide with one another in numbers and the eagles find it very easy pickings to go after these disabled birds. Coyotes and foxes clean up after he eagles leave. And these eagle attacks are in broad daylight when the geese can see perfectly well to maneuver. In darkness, with night vision wiped out by random flashes of intense light, the flockss of small birds roosting in street trees would panic all the more.
No. Different names.
Delaware? Isn’t that the state where all the shady corporations register? Look no further. The industrial military complex done it!
He could have had a stroke, medication interactions, etc.
Lots hinges on what drove the Newark police to say “homicide”...and what the tox and autopsy say.
And how’d he get to Newark that night?
The police have so much to work from on this, I’d be surprised if they don’t know what went down, but are just building the timeline and other evidence if there’s a case.
For those not familiar with the area, the courthouse is at 5th and King, the address of the parking garage incident.
Of course, we don't know why he went to Newark, but if he was actually robbed earlier, perhaps the responding police saw those injuries on his body and assumed that those wounds had killed him immediately.
I’m wondering if it wasn’t several days before. The blaring TV, for example.
We don’t know who last saw him acting “normal,” and when that was.
Not to mention he says his briefcase was stolen; so perp is on the loose in parking gargage? Maybe? Well; hindsight happens - albeit; this still might have escaped attention of those involved. Again; all to sad an unfolding.
Am not sure which story you are referencing. The 'garbage truck' . . .or 'the canoe' albeit, whichever the case, agree. Re Colby: despite 'powers that be' find this story, 'still' amazing. . .and do not think family naive in their grief; just smart; and do not think wife forgot about that phone bill. . .
As for the tragedy and yes, 'stinky story' of Wheeler; there are so many weird possibilities. We do know, with certainty; no matter the how/why, this scenario played out a horrible day with irretrievable consequences.
(Am even wondering about the 'incendiary devices/neighbor story' all too weird as well and wondering 'where and by 'whom' did this idea get legs - if it has ANY of course; and could this be part of larger story to discredit; by whatever MO here.)
Lawyers have family mum on issue; and so, no explanations yet. (Was his wife a part of this? Did Wheeler ever suffer war flashbacks? Might he have had the beginings of paranoia, i.e. reenacting a Vietnam MO in response to this stress of neighbors house? Was this a typical response to neighbors he disagreed with?
Am more inclined to think scuffle with perps brought this on; but who knows? Have yet to read, when wife/family last saw him during Christmas and just may have missed this. But whatever, many questions here! There are of course, the many death events/circumstances that are odorous to the max; the truth of which we will know or know truth, with certainty. And no matter the conclusions offered; because of who this victim was; doubt there will be 'certainty'.
“Did Wheeler ever suffer war flashbacks?”
I read that he never experienced combat.
Exactly. Call for help.
Thanks. . .that takes care of that one!
They should at least know by now; and perhaps always have; 'what dumpster' location he or 'his body' made that trip to landfill in. Seems it would help in the timeline here; and again, do wonder if Wilmington does not have street cameras as well (beyond parking lot footage) to pick up more of Wheeler's last movements about this city.
Going back to dispute with neighbor; if indeed, he is responsible for placing incendiary devices on property; then certainly he was not 'clear thinking' at that time and perhaps this 'stress line' grew.
Suffered a stroke and then was victimized by a street thug?
That is what it looks like.
Not one human was harmed, nor any species other than one type of bird, and one type of fish?
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Who are these clowns who sit at their computers with nothing else to do all day but make up these outrageous tales?
Not any sort of expert, but I am pretty sure a stroke could produce disoriented behavior like that of a person with demntia. He could have had a stroke without previous medical evidence.
I know a guy who fed a box of donuts to the front grill of a parked school bus because he thought it was a hungry monster. His libation was vodka with haladol.
——I am pretty sure a stroke could produce disoriented behavior like that of a person with demntia.-—
Transient Ischemic Attack (sp?) or TIA is likely. My mother experienced them for several years before she died. She would become befuddled but not completely out of it.
There was one that was comical incident in the serious way it transpired. She was adamant about being taken to hospital A for emergency treatment. Both my self and my sister preferred Hospital B but relented to her desires.
On one such attack the rescue squad came and transported her to the Hospital A ER as she wanted. When I got there she asked me where she was. I told her she was in the stroke treatment center at hospital A. She asked me that several times, and my sister and the nurses.
She came around and her mind cleared and we were leaving for home. It was then I saw a sheet on her bed from Hospital B. The ambulance apparently gathers some sheets from the two hospitals for use in transports but doesn’t worry much about which sheet is used for which transport. People were telling mom she was in hospital A but the sheet clearly said hospital B.
The TIA still doesn’t account forthe death and garbage dumpster disposal.
“Going back to dispute with neighbor; if indeed, he is responsible for placing incendiary devices on property;...”
I don’t believe everything that’s reported, but I found this article today:
“Indeed witnesses claim they saw smoke bombs launched from Wheelers house into the unfinished property...”
Am guessing these ARE in fact, incendiary per 'where there is smoke fire'; but wondering if these were 'slightly' different and he was just venting. . .
Again, we need to know more; but seems little doubt, he was 'stressed'. . .and when ongoing; it can take a very bad toll; especially if he 'other' mental deterioration - known or unknown - which culminated in a most unfortunate series of events. Whatever they were just prior to his being found.
Okay, “TIA” is the term I should have used rather than “stroke”. Sorry.
You probably would have better off by NOT posting the crap!!!
You, sir, are the master of the understatement.
No, I just think that I would have been better off posting a disclaimer at the top so that I wouldnt get so many annoying comments directed to me as if I supported it when I do not. There are many here who want to know what is going on in the minds of the kook left-wing / libertarian type conspiracy writers. I thought that it would be obvious to most that it was such an e-mail.
The broken floor in his kitchen another mystery???
That's just right, and that's why this kind tin-foil posts on F.R. winds up in the garbage "truck" like Wheeler, unfortunately!!!
Forgot about that. Just 'who' was handling this investigation? Someone other than 'local' or beyond local advisement? Someone with prior knowledge knew something was there that had to be removed; in case of his death?
Orrrrrr. . . maybe he tripped/fell as he ran into house; had 'head bleed'. ..after firing smoke bomb into neighbor's yard and 'blue light' showed blood on floor?
Really, beats me (of course). One thing certain; this investigation 'slow going' - at least, per info released. Speculation OTOH; 'fast moving'. . .
Points well taken, but I have yet to see dead birds of ‘any’ species after the 4th of July. Fireworks are let off on a grander scale on the 4th, but people light them throughout the week here and there. While what you have stated may be true regarding the birds flocking together in winter and dispersing during the summer. I still do not believe fireworks killed the birds.
oopsie -wrong thead folks, sorry about that!