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A Horrid Crime, a Dishonest Debate
National Review ^ | January 11, 2011

Posted on 01/11/2011 7:27:14 AM PST by La Lydia

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Just damn
1 posted on 01/11/2011 7:27:19 AM PST by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia
I love that the leftist police chief is all over the news as a Democrat blasting Limbaugh, Palin and so forth. Now we find he knew of a couple of more other death threats reported to his department by the murder, yet no one flagged the SOB’s records to be denied a gun.

Seems to me the squeakiest wheel (the sheriff) was the most responsible because of not following up on this deranged young man.

2 posted on 01/11/2011 7:35:51 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: La Lydia
Dishonest Stupid debate. Yet, there shouldn't be any debate at all. Oh, when politics can be invoked the politics nausea goes on forever.
3 posted on 01/11/2011 7:36:00 AM PST by oyez (The difference in genius and stupidity is that genius has limits.)
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To: La Lydia

Excellent article. Nicely summarizes the absurdity of the leftist spin, and puts it in its proper historical context.


4 posted on 01/11/2011 7:41:42 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: La Lydia
I think we're missing the larger issue here.

What we are dealing with on the left goes well beyond, in most cases, a conscious desire to gain political points by pinning this on the Tea Party, Sarah Palin, and Glen Beck.

If you read what the liberals are saying, or talk to someone you know who dislikes the Tea Party, you will discover that they truly believe this stuff. They are impervious to details about what Loughner believed, or the truth about Arizona immigration law not allowing profiling, or the non-violent nature of the Tea Party and conservative activism. They don't care. They have their preconceptions of the Tea Party, and because the Tea Party stands in opposition to their viewpoints of government as a force for good, nothing will get in the way - which is hardly surprising, given that decades of recorded government failure has failed to shake their opinion of government.

And like any such belief system founded on myth and emotionality, it is almost completely impervious to logic, fact and reason. It is malignant and all-consuming.

So when you rebut these statements blaming the right for the Giffords shooting, keep in mind that your audience for the rebuttal is not the person making the comments or writing the columns, as you would have just as much luck trying to talk a jihadist out of his radical Islamist views as you would convincing the likes of Paul Krugman that the Tea Party is not responsibile for the Arizona shooting.

Instead, realize you are writing for any fair-minded neutral person who is trying to make up their own mind about the matter. With that in mind, try to write calmly and present the facts. Avoid name-calling. Stick to the facts as we know them. Allow the frothing on the other side to discredit their case, don't resort to it yourself.

As mad as this utterly unprincipled attack makes me, I have to realize that anger cannot change the minds of the diehard leftists here and convince them of our resolve - nothing can. You can only sway those in the middle, and they want what the left is not providing here - namely, substance and calmly-stated reason. We have the law and the facts on our side, we don't need to pound the table to make our point.

5 posted on 01/11/2011 7:50:00 AM PST by dirtboy
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Nervous butt-covering, clear and simple, on the part of the sheriff.


6 posted on 01/11/2011 7:52:21 AM PST by La Lydia
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This is the sheriff that has stated he will NOT enforce Arizona SB1070 requiring law enforcement to check legal status when they are pulled over for another violation. HE SHOULD BE RECALLED, but then Tucson is a leftist enclave.


7 posted on 01/11/2011 7:58:25 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: La Lydia
Exactly, day two we find out his department KNEW of two or more other people this kook made death threats on.

Did he send the kook for a 36 hour observation?
Did he flag the kook's records so he would be denied a gun?

We are finding out this guy did no fulfill his duty, and in addition he now goes all over the press saying BS that is so ridiculous that the defense will surely call this Sheriff as a witness for the murderer.
This sheriff is obscene.

8 posted on 01/11/2011 7:58:37 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: La Lydia

This is the sheriff that has stated he will NOT enforce Arizona SB1070 requiring law enforcement to check legal status when they are pulled over for another violation. HE SHOULD BE RECALLED, but then Tucson is a leftist enclave.


9 posted on 01/11/2011 7:58:37 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: La Lydia

This is the sheriff that has stated he will NOT enforce Arizona SB1070 requiring law enforcement to check legal status when they are pulled over for another violation. HE SHOULD BE RECALLED, but then Tucson is a leftist enclave.


10 posted on 01/11/2011 7:58:42 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: A CA Guy

That’s the Sheriff of Pima County, Clarence “The Dupe” Dupnik, not a police chief.

He sounds like a typical obamabot. And by bashing his own great State and failing to defend her from the barbarian invasion from across her southern border, he is a traitor as well.


11 posted on 01/11/2011 8:01:36 AM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: dirtboy
Instead, realize you are writing for any fair-minded neutral person who is trying to make up their own mind about the matter. With that in mind, try to write calmly and present the facts. Avoid name-calling. Stick to the facts as we know them. Allow the frothing on the other side to discredit their case, don't resort to it yourself.

The shame here is that your terrific post will receive far fewer replies than the ones that are name-calling.
12 posted on 01/11/2011 8:02:02 AM PST by kenavi (The good ol' US of A: 57 state laboratories for the future.)
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To: dirtboy

They must be isolated, exposed, and overcome. Peaceful-Coexistance and Detante only contain them for so long. Sooner the better that the wall is torn down. They will have to be confronted head on. We have them on the run but must not let them re-group.


13 posted on 01/11/2011 8:05:40 AM PST by screaminsunshine (Surfers Rule)
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The insane Tuscon murderer’s parents were democrat contributors: So this democrat/marxist sheriff didn't put their son in jail.
14 posted on 01/11/2011 8:06:34 AM PST by Democrat_media (Why is no government creating a product we can hold in our hands like a cell phone..?)
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To: La Lydia

This is a GREAT article! Thanks for posting it.

Now the muslim gangster obama will be visiting Tucson to exploit the horrific assassination by a deranged individual that took place there.

However, where his is going IS Arizona, the center of resistance to all obama’s evil policies. Hopefully, the local citizens will act in such a way as to make obama’s visit backfire, and totally discredit him in the eyes of the entire world.

I pray that that will happen.


15 posted on 01/11/2011 8:08:03 AM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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The insane Tuscon murderer’s parents were democrat contributors: So this democrat/marxist sheriff didn't put their son in jail when it should have arrested him for numerous complaints.
16 posted on 01/11/2011 8:09:35 AM PST by Democrat_media (Why is no government creating a product we can hold in our hands like a cell phone..?)
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To: screaminsunshine
They must be isolated, exposed, and overcome. Peaceful-Coexistance and Detante only contain them for so long. Sooner the better that the wall is torn down. They will have to be confronted head on. We have them on the run but must not let them re-group.

They are exposing themselves. Do you think those in the middle trying to make up their minds want to see a food fight where we join in? What is to be gained by resorting to the level of name-calling that the hard left is engaged in? My dad has a saying - never wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty and the pig likes it. The left WANTS us to get in the pig pen with them. It is their home field. They WANT this to descend to endless name-calling and personal attacks, as that is their only currency in debate.

Better off to show the audience that the pig is, just that, a pig in a stye and you ain't getting in there with him.

17 posted on 01/11/2011 8:09:49 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: okie01

Ping to post 5.


18 posted on 01/11/2011 8:14:06 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Cheerio

Actually, Tucson is not a leftist enclave. It is mixed.

That is why the two recent Congressional elections (the district lines separate the east and west sides of Tucson, and include additional territory) were so close. (Arguably at least one of these elections, between McClung and Grijalva, was decided by massive vote fraud).


19 posted on 01/11/2011 8:14:36 AM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: dirtboy

I do not see any of that on the Right. We must just keep doing what we are doing. Telling the truth. To the Media truthtelling is name calling. You are falling for the spin. Snap out of it.


20 posted on 01/11/2011 8:15:55 AM PST by screaminsunshine (Surfers Rule)
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